morocco to ban hijab?

[Durrah]

Forget the soliders or police in tunisa Dawud, their former Prime Minister, the head of state, in a speech called upon Tunisians to treat women with hijabs or niqabs as prositutes and humiliate them in any way possiable thus encouring rape. The soliders are only going on from orders from those in leadership have been calling upon for many years! Its tragic though to hear about is still going on though, to your friends family.

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As for this ban in morroco, its similar of whats going happining in most muslim countries who are headed or lead by 'muslim' rulers who are scared of been thrown off. These leaders are frightened of a rapidly growing revival of islam amongst the civilan population, especially amongst the younger generation where the growth of islam is spreading faster. They are trying to stifle this in everyway possiable by controlling the masjids, changing the school ciriculam (who make up over half of all the population), imprisioning innocent sheiks or scholars etc. A friend of mine went tunisa for holiday and told me that she saw many more sisters in hijab in tunisia and dressing more modestly then there ever was in the country. Its the same in morrocco, egypt, algeria. Islam is reviving and with whats going on around the world to muslim in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechyna etc... muslims are starting to become more concious of themselves, the state of their country and how islam is practised. This is turn makes the goverments more nervous as they dont want to lose their power. Thats why they keep doing things like this. Expect to see more of it in the coming years!

 

[Janissary]

Uh huh, where did you get that from?

Edit: Durrah, I was referring to the first part of your post. I'm too new here to be able to edit posts.

 

[Durrah]

jan, it was an extract from a speech i had of his. Inshallah i will try my upmost to find it and post it up. I actually wanted to post it up, next to my statement to show you guys all how low these people are, but i've lost it indoors (it was on paper). Had a bit of a spring cleaning during the week so im not sure where its at lol.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

So much for people saying "mind your own business!" If Mary was to live in this century, would u tell her u cant wear the veil because its our rule? I doubt it. Is she going to listen to u or God? I think u can answer that. People want to ban the very thing they respect Mary and Nuns for! How hypocritical!

 

[Dawud_uk]

assalaamu alaykum,

they plot and Allah plots and Allah is the best of plotters

the more they trample of us, the more we rise up against them.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[gamsta3]

Yeah, its my country of origin. My family, some of them wear hijabs but they all go to fortune tellers and dead people worship is strife. Islamic knowledege is very rare, the people are very ignorant about their religions. I m not surprised to hear they are heading that direction, in tunisia, i think the hijab is banned.

 

[Ulysses]

So much for people saying "mind your own business!" If Mary was to live in this century, would u tell her u cant wear the veil because its our rule? I doubt it. Is she going to listen to u or God? I think u can answer that. People want to ban the very thing they respect Mary and Nuns for! How hypocritical!

I think the use of the term "ban" is perhaps inflammatory given that the statements so far have been a call for dialogue about the matter, at least with reference to the Jack Straw comments.

I do not doubt that many Christians respect a Nun or Mary of Magdalene for their clothing, but as a citizen in a secular humanist society I am not one of those persons. I do not dis-respect a woman because she feels that covering her body constitutes an expression of modesty. But I also do not disrespect a woman who feels that not covering any part of her body constitutes an expression of modesty.

Consider the concept of modesty. In English, and most Indo-European languages, this concept is essentially the opposite of pride. Pride being a large sense of self-value, self-importance, or self-distinction.

As I understand it (and I welcome your kind corrections if I am wrong) the underlying logic of wearing a veil is that, a woman's body is intrinsically sexually alluring, is also highly valuable and important as a medium of maternity, and is distinctive from that of a male. The need to cover this physical form derives from the magnitude of these characteristics for any particular woman, and to not agree to cover herself reflects either a lack of her intrinsic merits along these lines, else a sinful misapprehension on her part of her value in these ways.

Thus, it should be possible for the covering of this intrinsically highly alluring, valuable, important and distinctive physical manifestation to be regarded as much as an action of pride as it is one of modesty. After all, clothing will not go with any of us into an afterlife, and it is not with us when we come into this world either. Thus, the idea is that adorning the human form with Earthly property is necessary as a way to hide away the highly valuable and sought-after commodity which each woman is endowed with. Based on this line of thinking, one could alternatively propose that, having the confidence, and the self-depracating view that one's body has no more intrinsic value to it than one attributes is the more modest viewpoint.

To be sure, FLAUNTING one's physciality for the purposes of alluring, seducing, or otherwise exploiting constitutes prideful, or if you prefer sinful, but how is the naked face of a woman any more intrinsically an act of flaunting herself than is the naked face of a man?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Consider the concept of modesty. In English, and most Indo-European languages, this concept is essentially the opposite of pride. Pride being a large sense of self-value, self-importance, or self-distinction.

As I understand it (and I welcome your kind corrections if I am wrong) the underlying logic of wearing a veil is that, a woman's body is intrinsically sexually alluring, is also highly valuable and important as a medium of maternity, and is distinctive from that of a male. The need to cover this physical form derives from the magnitude of these characteristics for any particular woman, and to not agree to cover herself reflects either a lack of her intrinsic merits along these lines, else a sinful misapprehension on her part of her value in these ways.

Thus, it should be possible for the covering of this intrinsically highly alluring, valuable, important and distinctive physical manifestation to be regarded as much as an action of pride as it is one of modesty. After all, clothing will not go with any of us into an afterlife, and it is not with us when we come into this world either. Thus, the idea is that adorning the human form with Earthly property is necessary as a way to hide away the highly valuable and sought-after commodity which each woman is endowed with. Based on this line of thinking, one could alternatively propose that, having the confidence, and the self-depracating view that one's body has no more intrinsic value to it than one attributes is the more modest viewpoint.

To be sure, FLAUNTING one's physciality for the purposes of alluring, seducing, or otherwise exploiting constitutes prideful, or if you prefer sinful, but how is the naked face of a woman any more intrinsically an act of flaunting herself than is the naked face of a man?

No one is forcing anyone to cover. If they want to flaunt, be my guest. If they chose to do so, they must bare the consequences that come with it. I have seen and heard many many times about girls being sexually harassed by the opposite gender because she is flaunting herself. You cant say "i wear it becuz i feel like it." Why else would someone wear small clothes and show herself? Attention obviously. If they didnt do it for attention, then they would do what we do. We do it becuz we dont put ourselves in a low position and crave attention. As a Muslim we are recommended to cover everything except what appears ordinary of. That means the face and hands up to the wrist. It's the womans choice if she wants to cover her face and no one else. Would u like if I was a guy and asked your sister to remove her blouse? No right? You would get angry, naturally. So why the double standards?

 

[~Stranger~]

assalaamu alaykum,

in general principle the ruler who rules by other than Allah has revealed is a kaffir. it is a general statement and is also made by Allah in the Quran.

now did i call the king a kaffir? did i call their prime minister a kaffir? no because that would be a personal declaration of takfir. i made a general statement that their rulers whomever they may be are kuffar for not ruling by islam.

in the same way i would not call x a kaffir for not praying, but i would say that those who do not pray are in principle kuffar.

understand?
one is a personal declaration of takfir which should be for the scholars or at least students of knowledge and the other is a general ruling and statement.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

that was not harsh brother, that was the truth. u r obliged to declare kufr on taghot

to be honest what do we expect of the kuffar if our own fellow muslims are oppressing us?

We Muslim need to work on our iman

exactly!!! Allah wont change whats within us till e change whats within ourselves

 

[Musaafirah]

Salam. Did I just read that Tunisia Banned the hijaab. Thats the first time I have heard of that. If this doesnt wake us muslims up from ignorance what will. Seeing the laws of Allah being abolished one by one by those that conform to the Shadha is very scary indeed.

May Allah increase us in Taqwa and help us fight such evil. May Allah give strength to the muajideen who are in the state of jihaad for his sake and in order to make his worship one. And may Allah reward all the muslim brothers and sisters that stay firm and struggle to uphold the divine laws.

Indeed, you read right..it doesn't oppose 'visitors' to the country to wear hijab..but the women residing in the country aren't allowed to wear hijab, and the men get arrested for praying in the Masjid. Messed up!

 

[Maimunah]

Indeed, you read right..it doesn't oppose 'visitors' to the country to wear hijab..but the women residing the country aren't allowed to wear hijab, and the men get arrested for praying in the Masjid. Messed up!

subhanaAllah dont they fear Allah
i so do not want to live there

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

waa thats so messed up! they obviously do not fear Allah(swt) if they do that :heated:

 

[Woodrow]

All I can say is there have been some big changes since the 1950's and early 1960's. It seems that as the US pulled out of Morocco the more Westernized it has become. From the 1940s through the 1960's there was a huge US military presence in Morocco. The SAC bases at Sidi Slimane and Marrakesh. The MATS base at Nouasseur, the naval base at Kenitra and numerous army forts and radar stations throughout the country. In the 1960s King Hassan refused to renew any US leases and the US military presense was asked to leave the country. I may be wrong but at the moment I do not think there any US installations in Morocco.

What happened to Morocco?

 

[*love4isl@m*]

:heated: Noo way! i cant take what they r doing to the muslims!!!
& Tunisia already banned scarf :astagfiru wallah i dislike their actions :grumbling ,
Insha'allah I Hope that they will stop the intention of banning scarves in morocco and
tunisia will change their mind and allow them 2 wear hijaab again insha'allah! :'(

Wa3alikum salaam
Fii amani Allah

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

InshAllah!

 

[al Amaanah]

Morocco changes religious syllabus
Islamonline.com
10/8/2006 8:30:00 AM GMT


"Why do Muslim women have to cover their heads?" This question is one which is asked by Muslim and non-Muslim alike. For many women it is the truest test of being a Muslim.

The answer to the question is very simple - Muslim women wear Hijah because Allah (SWT) has told them to do so.

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them ..." (Qur'an 33:59)

Morocco announced recently making radical changes to religious education syllabus, in particular regarding whether Muslim girls should wear headscarves, BBC reported Friday.

The move is a sign of the Islamic country’s submission to persistent U.S. pressures to persuade Islamic states change religious education syllabus claiming that such changes would help contain the spread of radical views and limit the increase of terrorism.

Among the changes the Moroccan government made, was removing a picture of a mother and her daughter wearing Hijab, the Islamic headscarf, from the latest editions of a text book.

Also a verse from the Qur’an where it asks Muslim girls to wear the Hijab has been taken out of the books.

Abdelkarim El Houichre from the Association of Teachers of Islamic Education expressed doubts about the government's motives:

"I think there is pressure coming from the United States, which believes that teaching about traditional Islam and teaching girls to wear headscarves will somehow encourage extremism and terrorism," he said.

"But I think Islamic education has to be kept within mainstream teaching in our schools because that way we can control it. If we deny it to them in school then they will only go and find out more outside of school and they are more likely to fall into the wrong hands."

The context of hijab is the modest covering of a Muslim woman.

In public places, Muslim women and young ladies, those who reached puberty, must cover the entire body except what has been specifically excluded, based upon the following proofs: Allah says:

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their private parts from sin and not show of their adornment except only that which is apparent, and draw their head covers over their necks and bosoms and not reveal their adornment except to And that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And 0 you Believers! Turn you all together towards Allah in repentances that you may be successful." (24:31)

Also Allah says:

"0 Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their outer garments above themselves ( when they go out). That is better so that they may be recognized and not molested. And Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." (33:59)

A Muslim woman’s dress should be thick and opaque so as not to display skin colour and the shape of her body. It shouldn’t be delicate or transparent.

Now im so not proud to be moroccan.:grumbling

 

[al Amaanah]

Since when would they ban the hijab in morocco? i went there on vacation in the summer, and there wasnt any thing yet told about banning the hijab?

 

[Woodrow]

Since when would they ban the hijab in morocco? i went there on vacation in the summer, and there wasnt any thing yet told about banning the hijab?

I find it difficult to believe that it would be banned in Morocco. I no longer have any personal contacts living in Morocco. I would like to hear something from somebody currently living in Morocco.

 

[Lina]

Since when would they ban the hijab in morocco? i went there on vacation in the summer, and there wasnt any thing yet told about banning the hijab?

Yep, I didn't hear anything about it either.

There also has not been anything about it on M1 or 2.

Pretty strange. Allahu A'lam.

 

[al Amaanah]

Allahoe a3lam!