morocco to ban hijab?

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Musaafir said:
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Indeed, you read right..it doesn't oppose 'visitors' to the country to wear hijab..but the women residing in the country aren't allowed to wear hijab, and the men get arrested for praying in the Masjid. Messed up!
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Sorry for reanimating a thread, been away for a while. Where did you get the part about getting arrested for praying in the masjid? Sounds suspicious.

It's true that some leaders of Islamic countries seek to contain the societal influence of Islam to strengthen their own position, but prevent access to masjids? Sounds like political suicide to me.
 
Dawud_uk said:
assalaamu alaykum,

in general principle the ruler who rules by other than Allah has revealed is a kaffir. it is a general statement and is also made by Allah in the Quran.

now did i call the king a kaffir? did i call their prime minister a kaffir? no because that would be a personal declaration of takfir. i made a general statement that their rulers whomever they may be are kuffar for not ruling by islam.

in the same way i would not call x a kaffir for not praying, but i would say that those who do not pray are in principle kuffar.

understand?
one is a personal declaration of takfir which should be for the scholars or at least students of knowledge and the other is a general ruling and statement.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah
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Is it really for anybody to tell another that they are Kaafirs? Being learned or a Aalim doesnt make you perfect or even neccesarily good. We dont know the full story most of the time, even when we think we do. Even Prophets sometimes didnt know the full truth of the matter, for example Moses and Khudar... Its not for us to quickly go and kaafir others, irrespective of how learned we are. I simply dont think it is a judgement for us to make. There are soo many stories of 'exceptions' where normally we would take somebody to be a kaafir, but they are, for whatever reason, not kaafirs it turns out. They may be exceptions, but i think you must always assume the best. Also, i think in essence, telling somebody they are a kaafir is probably one of the last things that person wants to hear. If for example, i dont pray, and i go to a scholar, and tell me, and the scholar says, ok, i will help you begin praying, but by the way, you do know you are a kafir? I would be like huh!? I would begin to lose hope. Im coming at this more from a logical point of view, as opposed to islamic jurisprudence.
 
Janissary said:
Sorry for reanimating a thread, been away for a while. Where did you get the part about getting arrested for praying in the masjid? Sounds suspicious.

It's true that some leaders of Islamic countries seek to contain the societal influence of Islam to strengthen their own position, but prevent access to masjids? Sounds like political suicide to me.
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I agree. ive been to morroco, and i prayed in the mosques...hmm..i dont remember getting arrested.
 
hakkerz said:
Is it really for anybody to tell another that they are Kaafirs? Being learned or a Aalim doesnt make you perfect or even neccesarily good. We dont know the full story most of the time, even when we think we do. Even Prophets sometimes didnt know the full truth of the matter, for example Moses and Khudar... Its not for us to quickly go and kaafir others, irrespective of how learned we are. I simply dont think it is a judgement for us to make. There are soo many stories of 'exceptions' where normally we would take somebody to be a kaafir, but they are, for whatever reason, not kaafirs it turns out. They may be exceptions, but i think you must always assume the best. Also, i think in essence, telling somebody they are a kaafir is probably one of the last things that person wants to hear. If for example, i dont pray, and i go to a scholar, and tell me, and the scholar says, ok, i will help you begin praying, but by the way, you do know you are a kafir? I would be like huh!? I would begin to lose hope. Im coming at this more from a logical point of view, as opposed to islamic jurisprudence.
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Assalamu Alaikum brother

I am glad to hear their is new brothr here, may Allah grant you sucess in this life and the heareafter.

I really don't think brother Dawud called anyone Kafir, but banning the Hijab is an act of Kaffur, or even supporting it.
He is not talking about if anyone is not praying or not. Not praying does not make somone a kaffir, this is something an individual do has to learn.


What he is talking about is the person who is "banning" (emphasis on banning)) the Hijab, the muslim dress that is according to the Quran and the sunnah, is commiting an act of Kuffar. What else can you call it?

If the story is indeed true, it is logical any scholar will agree that the person is commiting an act of kuffar and I personally think it is likely any scholars will deem him a kaffir.
 
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Skillganon said:
Assalamu Alaikum brother

I am glad to hear their is new brothr here, may Allah grant you sucess in this life and the heareafter.

I really don't think brother Dawud called anyone Kafir, but banning the Hijab is an act of Kaffur, or even supporting it.
He is not talking about if anyone is not praying or not. Not praying does not make somone a kaffir, this is something an individual do has to learn.


What he is talking about is the person who is "banning" (emphasis on banning)) the Hijab, the muslim dress that is according to the Quran and the sunnah, is commiting an act of Kuffar. What else can you call it?

If the story is indeed true, it is logical any scholar will agree that the person is commiting an act of kuffar and I personally think it is likely any scholars will deem him a kaffir.
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Oh, appologies for my misunderstanding then. I agree that banning the hijab is an act of kufr, etc. However, lol..you said that 'Praying does not make someone a kaffir', Pop over to the Do not pray but do good deeds post and join the discussion.lool (http://www.islamicboard.com/basics-islam/31325-do-not-pray-but-do-good-deeds-3.html)
 

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