Most Britons now believe the Muslim faith is a threat to Western democracy?

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ManchesterFolk said:
Iran jails and kills activists for freedom of speach and promotes war in the region via Hezbollah.

Syria jails people like Mr. Yacoub Hanna Shamoun, an Assyrian Christian from Syria who has been detained without due process for over twenty years in Syria's horrendous AlSaydnaia prison. And denies freedom of speach on all levels that oposses there goverments agenda.

Saudi Arabia is a traditional Islamic monarchy following the orthodox ******* Sunni religion. In the kingdom all political opposition is forbidden. There are strict limitations on the freedom of speech and the press, and the legal code is based on the Sharia. This legal code provides for severe punishments including amputation, whipping and execution. There is no freedom of religion for Christians, and the Shia minority is strictly supervised. Women are clearly the object of discrimination.

Tunisia Human rights organizations accuse the Tunisian government of contravening the rights of journalists, political activists and human rights supporters. About a thousand political prisoners are in jail, while many more are harrassed by the authorities. Demonstrations are put down with ferocity.

Libya, a dictatorship, has no local human rights NGOs. The law forbids political parties or criticism of the regime. The press is state-controlled. Opposition figures are jailed without trial and often tortured. In September 2000 there were racially-motivated attacks on Africans from southern Sahara leaving many dead and injured.

I could name many more countries but i'll stop before I write way to long of the post when I should be doing some work.

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Only problem is none of the ones except for Iran are actually Islamic Countries as they are not governed under sharia Law. Iran is or should be under Sharia law however at the moment there does not seem to be any Government fully in charge. Saudi does claim to be. But, there are many instances, when it appears the Monarchy is in charge.

The Reason I asked the Question in the manner I did is in todays world it does not appear that there are any countries that are governed in the manner established by the Qur'an and Sunnah. No truly Islamic country seems to exist today.

In spite of all the problems and political chaos, I believe you will agree that predominatly Muslim countries have very little crime, Alcohol or drug problems, provide for orphans and the disabled, maintain regular prayer, have no pornogaphy problems, no racism on the basis of color, respect for their elders, and even a few other good qualities.
 
Woodrow said:
Only problem is none of the ones except for Iran are actually Islamic Countries as they are not governed under sharia Law. Iran is or should be under Sharia law however at the moment there does not seem to be any Government fully in charge. Saudi does claim to be. But, there are many instances, when it appears the Monarchy is in charge.

The Reason I asked the Question in the manner I did is in todays world it does not appear that there are any countries that are governed in the manner established by the Qur'an and Sunnah. No truly Islamic country seems to exist today.

In spite of all the problems and political chaos, I believe you will agree that predominatly Muslim countries have very little crime, Alcohol or drug problems, provide for orphans and the disabled, maintain regular prayer, have no pornogaphy problems, no racism on the basis of color, respect for their elders, and even a few other good qualities.
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Well, my only real issue with this is that many of the people in those countries, especially those running them, would disagree and say that they are strictly islamic run nations. They just have a different intepretation than you (obviously). That being said, according to your definition, there has never been a country run 100% by Christian principals either.
 
ACC said:
Well, my only real issue with this is that many of the people in those countries, especially those running them, would disagree and say that they are strictly islamic run nations. They just have a different intepretation than you (obviously). That being said, according to your definition, there has never been a country run 100% by Christian principals either.
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I would agree with that. There has been many attempts and intentions to do so, but it never happened.

To be honest I believe if all countries were run 100% Muslim, Christian or Jewish, in the true meaning of what it is supposed to be, we would have few problems and we could settle on what are the truly important issues over what God(swt) wants us to do. Our differences should not lead to violence over the differences as to how we believe we should love God(swt) We could then settle down peacefull with logic learn from each other and from that make true individual choices as to which is the true way to worship.

Now it is sort of like two kids beating each other up to prove who is obeying their parents correctly.
 
Woodrow said:
Only problem is none of the ones except for Iran are actually Islamic Countries as they are not governed under sharia Law. Iran is or should be under Sharia law however at the moment there does not seem to be any Government fully in charge. Saudi does claim to be. But, there are many instances, when it appears the Monarchy is in charge.

The Reason I asked the Question in the manner I did is in todays world it does not appear that there are any countries that are governed in the manner established by the Qur'an and Sunnah. No truly Islamic country seems to exist today.

In spite of all the problems and political chaos, I believe you will agree that predominatly Muslim countries have very little crime, Alcohol or drug problems, provide for orphans and the disabled, maintain regular prayer, have no pornogaphy problems, no racism on the basis of color, respect for their elders, and even a few other good qualities.
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The Shiites and Sunni's seem to hate eachother very much. The Kurds seem to never get many good deals in the Islamic countries... Woodrow, would you swap the freedoms you have to live in a Muslim country that has no alcohol or drug problems?
 
Woodrow, would you swap the freedoms you have to live in a Muslim country that has no alcohol or drug problems?
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Idk about brother Woodrow, but of course I wouldnt. Alcohol is the bane of society.
 
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QuranStudy said:
Idk about brother Woodrow, but of course I would. Alcohol is the bane of society.
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Thats your descion and you can do whatever you will... For me. I won't trade that, and that is myt descion. I live in the west. If a Muslim feels the way you do, he is welcome to go back to Pakistan, Somalia, or Iran. Would those countries not take them?
 
Salaam,
In western coutnries muslim should assert themselves ..
They should discard the western propaganda of Islam and what muslim to be ..

The more muslim in the west succumb to the lies in the media the more they bcome withdrawn from society and that will actually work in the favour of those who want Islam to be maligned.

So be assertive,show them your rights.Ask for your right individually and as a community.

A the British Ummah.

I applaud the movement by the British socity of Muslim to ask tell ot the British goveremnt fface that they are aiding and abetting terrorism by supporting the massacare in Lebanon and Isreal.
For it alien foreign policy.

They want to blame us but do not wish to see the wrong they do.

so discard these misconceptiona nd be more assertive Inshallah...
 
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The Kufur lifestyle is a threat to the entire world look at how much problems it has caused, islam is the remady.
 
ManchesterFolk said:
Woodrow, would you swap the freedoms you have to live in a Muslim country that has no alcohol or drug problems?
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That I can not answer with a simple yes or no. My Daughter and her family have been talking about doing just that in the next couple of years. If things work out I will also be going. Lots of personal factors have to be taken care of first.

I have lived in several of those countries as a non-Muslim, and as a US citizen, I did not experience any problems or hardships that I would consider that I had lost any freedoms. So I'm having a problem in understanding what you would mean as a loss of freedoms that I have here.
 
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Woodrow said:
What Islamic countries do you believe are immoral?
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:sl: At first we have to understand that the Islamic country and the Muslim country are not same. For, Islamic country is a country which is governed according to the Islamic laws, but the Muslim country is a country which is governed by Muslims, may be according to Islamic Law or not.
 
islam-truth said:
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The Kufur lifestyle is a threat to the entire world look at how much problems it has caused, islam is the remady.
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Well, I dont consider my lifestyle a threat to the world, and I drink alcohol. I would consider the inability to spread what I believe, even to Muslims, to be a threat. If someone believes that Christianity has a superior message to Islam, why should they be stopped from spreading Christianity in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, etc.?
 
ACC said:
Well, I dont consider my lifestyle a threat to the world, and I drink alcohol. I would consider the inability to spread what I believe, even to Muslims, to be a threat. If someone believes that Christianity has a superior message to Islam, why should they be stopped from spreading Christianity in Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, etc.?
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Simple Yes or No Answer from a Medical and Social aspect would the world benifit if people stoped drinking alcohal? And to answer you question the authorities there wouldn't allow such thing same if I went to the Vatican.
 
islam-truth said:
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Simple Yes or No Answer from a Medical and Social aspect would the world benifit if people stoped drinking alcohal? And to answer you question the authorities there wouldn't allow such thing same if I went to the Vatican.
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Depends. Most things in moderation, including alcohol, are not bad. In fact, alcohol has many benefits to health if used properly. And before someone says it is abused more than anything else, so is cheese, tea, coffee, tv, work, cigarretes, religion, etc.

As for the Vatican, I have never been there. If there is a cafe, I would be astonished if there were no alcohol allowed. You may not know a lot of Catholic worship, but wine is used in the Mass, so alcohol is not banned in the Vatican either.
 
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ACC said:
Depends. Most things in moderation, including alcohol, are not bad. In fact, alcohol has many benefits to health if used properly. And before someone says it is abused more than anything else, so is cheese, tea, coffee, tv, work, cigarretes, religion, etc.

As for the Vatican, I have never been there. If there is a cafe, I would be astonished if there were no alcohol allowed. You may not know a lot of Catholic worship, but wine is used in the Mass, so alcohol is not banned in the Vatican either.
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But that's the problem a huge majority don't consume alcohol in moderation and with binge drinking on the up and people living for the weekend alcohol will continue to cause mayhem.
 

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