MPs approve gay marriage for England and Wales

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More like mirage than a proper marriage. It's an illusion, always will be, even if a child is produced it will be done artificially, and therefore gay marriage shall always be a mirage.

We should allow all persons willing to marry anything and everything the opportunity to do so because they are born that way, it's only fair right?.


Woman marries her own house

Where will the buck stop?
 
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Cabdullahi said:
More like mirage than a proper marriage
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What's a "proper marriage" in your eyes? Nikah? In that case, all non Muslim "marriages" would be fake in your eyes, so what's the issue now? This marriage seems to be driven by a desire for equal recognition when it comes to benefits and such, through a bond recognized by the government. No mosque or church has to ever recognize them as married in the sight of God, through our definitions of marriage.
 
I honestly don't get why some people are very passionate about the issue of gay marriage it just seems like sometimes some people prefer to discuss those issues so keenly but they , and sadly, on the other hand don't get as much excited when it comes to discussing real issues concerning a huge number of people living in this world such as poverty or hunger or homelessness. Why would it matter to us whether gay marriage is legalized in England or anywhere else, as long as its not a muslim country thats making it legal then why should it matter. And what possible gain can anyone benefit from ranting like this anyway,it's useless they've already set out on their direction that they're heading to and now even the arguement of inter racial marriages being banned many decades ago is used as an refution for legalizing gay and apparently even incest marriage more so, when the clear point is they're not even related at all using arguements like saying exogamous marriages were once socially forbiden at a time back then in history in parallel with gay and incest marriage is total failure in comparison plain and simple. For one reason, both parties involved back then were of opposite genders but were distinguished by social and economic classes. Although I dont personally have a thing against gays as individuals I do believe that they should kindly pay more effort in sparring society the hassle that this issue has caused. Ahat makes a gay person think that he or she is any less a humanbeing in society anyway I mean none of them were born with a label branded in their forehead anouncing their sexual orientation and where has any place in the world denied them acces to basic human rights most especially those living in more economically advanced regions in the world so they are sort of priviliged in way. I just think we've had this conversation so many times before and its not really getting us anywhere and evetytime thise issue has occured we end up either just constantly repeating ourselves or at the very least caught up in the middle of a winding swirl of clashingly opposing views. I deeply hope that we shift our attention to other matters of significanyly similar importance.
 
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May Ayob said:
where has any place in the world denied them acces to basic human rights most especially those living in more economically advanced regions in the world I mean they are sort of priviliged in way
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Perhaps you are not aware, but gays have been discriminated against very severely indeed in any number of societies through the ages - socially, economically and physically (very often to the point of death). It's because people are now aware of this, and ashamed of what happened, that gay rights have become more prominent.

Your other observation - that we should all stop worrying so much about this issue - i entirely agree with.
 
But there is a reason why the arguments against both gay and interracial marriage tend to be exactly the same, practically to the letter. Status quo is everything to this species, isn't it? On the other hand, most of the arguments listed there obviously stem from fear in some way or other as slippery slope fallacy-based things often seem to in general. One way or another it's certainly not a mere coincidence.

Okay, now I'm done with the thread.
 
May Ayob said:
I honestly don't get why some people are very passionate about the issue of gay marriage it just seems like sometimes some people prefer to discuss those issues so keenly but they sadly, on the other hand don't get as much excited when it comes to discussing real issues concerning a huge number of people living in this world such as poverty or hunger or homelessness. Why would it matter to us whether gay marriage is legalized in England or anywhere else, as long as its not a muslim country thats making it legal then why should it matter. And what possible gain can anyone benefit from ranting like this anyway,it's useless they've already set out on their direction that they're heading to and now even the arguement of inter racial marriages being banned many decades ago is used as an refution for legalizing gay and apparently even incest marriage right now, when the clear point is theyre not even related at all using arguements like saying exogamous marriages were once socially forbiden at a time back then in history in paralel with gay and incest marriage is total failure in comparison plain and simple. For one reason, both parties involved back then were of opposite genders but were distinguished by social and economic classes. Although I dont personally have a thing against gays as individuals I do believe that they should kindly pay more effort in sparring society the hassle that this issue has caused what makes a gay homosexual think that he she is any less a humanbeing in society anyway I mean none of them were born with a label branded in their forehead anouncing their sexual orientstion and where has any place in the world denied them acces to basic human rights most especially those living in more economically advanced regions in the world I mean they are sort of priviliged in way. I just think we've had this conversation manytimes before and its not really getting us anywhere and evetytime thise issue has occured we end up wither just constantly repeating ourselves or at the very least caught up in the middle of a winding swirl of clashingly opposing views. I deeply hope that we shift our attention to other matters of significanyly similar importance.
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Did you just tell gays to go back in the closet, or did I read that wrong?
 
Pygoscelis said:
I read this article and found it interesting. So much so that I started a thread on another board, one mostly with atheists, and it led to some debate over other taboo types of marriage, including polygamy. It would be interesting to get your thoughts on some of what is being said there if any muslims are interested.

http://www.--------.org/showthread.php?t=322841
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The author of that blog is someone who I know quite well - inshaAllah I'll ask him to respond.
 
Greetings and peace be with you all,

Sadly I have to agree with the theory of evolution, it recognizes the advantage of one man and one woman as being the greater good path to survival. Two men or two women just don’t tick the evolutionary boxes of equality.

In the spirit of searching for God

Eric
 
Pygoscelis said:
Did you just tell gays to go back in the closet, or did I read that wrong?
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Um... no, my post was mostly adressed to muslims on this forum and partially to the gay community. I was requesting that we as muslims should mind our own business when it comes to things like these, because this event is not happening in a muslim country; if it was that would've been an entirely different case. I was also saying that it's absolutely worthless for a muslim to go on complaining about what's going on in non muslim societies for two reasons, one is that they're not obligated to conform to islamic code of rules, the second is that it's good for nothing; in other words useless because islam and even religion generally doesn't have a solid base foundation in the making of legislative law in those countries. So what other than an unpleasant headache can any muslim get from these types of discussions anyway. I believe that the previous thread made before about the arch bishop of Canterburry is a good example of what I'm trying to say here. What I was directing at gays in general and with no mean of offence which is possibly what looks like you've misunderstood is that if being gay is not really the end of the world, then why act like it is ? unless you do believe it is,then there's no need for unnecessary fussing. Also, sometimes it's just not wise disclosing your sexual orientation publicly because simply some people dont need to know. Another thing is that homosexuality doesn't have a clear materialistic means of identity; in other words, I would've probably had no clue that the person standing right next to me is gay unless she or he has told me so, so really the question is then: before I was informed, there's a great chance I would treat him her the same as anybody else ,but after I was informed would the same still apply? for me probably yes for another person though? I wouldn't really know. I doubt anyone would treat someone different before they were told that this person is gay, so even though they are currently gay they would be treated as any typical person. Because they're people for one, and also because in many or most cases you wouldn't even know. And for that arguement saying that most gay people get discriminated against I would have to disagree. For one thing it's because I'm sure we've all witnessed alot of cases where kids at school or even adults get falsely labelled gay or dike simply because they're not reprsenting the gender roles society has set up or simply of bullying. So in some situations it's not really about being gay as much as it's about the mentality of some fellow people of thinking that the labelling another person gay is humiliating and using it as a derogatory term. Again with the emphasis that the people in question here are not even gay in first place. So, being called gay or any other slur that indicates being homosexual where in you're not, would be discrimination against non gays in the sense of false branding to gay category. If this sounds hateful to you I didn't intend it to be and for myself I don't really care of anyone's orientation as long as they don't push them on to me. The last thing I wanted to say is that it would certainly be more delighting to see more threads being made about poverty or hunger and hopefully if that happens they don't end up in a debate of whether or not a person would feel reluctant to offer another person in need aid or rescue if they knew that they are homosexual. In a nutshell though, no I'm not sending anyone to any closet of anykind and I think that these are my views in parallel with muslims and as far as I know everyone has a set of moral boundaries that they've put out for themselves and everyone is deserves to be respected.

One thing I'd like to add, I'm still not convinced that interracial and gay marriage are on the same footing in spite of looking into the link referenced above.
 
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