Muhammad (pbuh) a human?

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Thanks for the warm welcome.

They are alive but we do not percieve them. Thats what the holy Quran tells us.

If one views death from the Islamic point of view, it is not the end of life rather the continuation of eternal life in hell or heaven (after the barzakh).

The soul never dies. Hence the argument that the prophet is dead is not a spiritual one rather a material one.

I believ after his "death" the prophet was not physically with us but spiritually with us, granting us our legitmate desires, through the power given to him by Allah.
 
I sincerly ask all Muslims to not try to squeeze their beliefs into the Quran and Sunnah but derive their beliefs from it. InshaAllah.


Eesa, I really appreciate your sincerety in seeking for the truth. I doing so, you seem to desire to find it in what you actually read read in your scriptures rather than determining what you want them to say, and then reading your version of the truth into them. I wish more Christians would approach the Bible as you approach the Quran.
 
I believ after his "death" the prophet was not physically with us but spiritually with us, granting us our legitmate desires, through the power given to him by Allah.

Now you have me confused again.

I thought that Muslims do not pray to a man, but to God. How then can Muhammad (pbuh) grant us anything, only God can do that? And if one can pray to the prophet Muhammad (pbuh), why would anyone have a problem with praying to Jesus (pbuh) who is also recognized as a prophet by Islam and had (again according to Islam) exactly the same message to share. For what I have been taught is that all the prophets had the same message, just were sent to different groups of people.
 
Assalamu Aleykum Again Brother Muhaamad,

I really hope that you feel like home inshaAllah also do not feel that I do not like your or that I am angry in my writing, I do come across as harsh sometimes but it is not my intention and those who know me in real life know I would not hurt a fly, unless in war :p

Thanks for the warm welcome.

They are alive but we do not percieve them. Thats what the holy Quran tells us.

If one views death from the Islamic point of view, it is not the end of life rather the continuation of eternal life in hell or heaven (after the barzakh).

The soul never dies. Hence the argument that the prophet is dead is not a spiritual one rather a material one.

I believ after his "death" the prophet was not physically with us but spiritually with us, granting us our legitmate desires, through the power given to him by Allah.

When I asked you they are not dead what does it mean, I was hoping that you would go and discover the meaning of the verse, reading Tafsir or something, because as Muslims we should realise that we cannot give meaning of verses on our own, but rather turn to what the Prophet or Companions said, inshaAllah, may Allah be pleased with them and peace be upon the Prophet.

So I ask you, what kind of life do they have? Is it life like our life? Are they with us on earth? Among us? What is this life that we cannot percieve.
I entrust that in seeking for the truth you will turn to authentic sources.

Your brother Eesa :)


Eesa, I really appreciate your sincerety in seeking for the truth. I doing so, you seem to desire to find it in what you actually read read in your scriptures rather than determining what you want them to say, and then reading your version of the truth into them. I wish more Christians would approach the Bible as you approach the Quran.

Hi Grace Seeker,

I don't want to change my whole life and embrace Islaam only to force upon it my views and thoughts, that would not be embracing Islaam, that would desecrating the name of Islaam and using it as a justification for following my own desires, thats definetly something I don't want to do, and any good I do then thats Allah's Mercy on me.


Now you have me confused again.

I thought that Muslims do not pray to a man, but to God. How then can Muhammad (pbuh) grant us anything, only God can do that? And if one can pray to the prophet Muhammad (pbuh), why would anyone have a problem with praying to Jesus (pbuh) who is also recognized as a prophet by Islam and had (again according to Islam) exactly the same message to share. For what I have been taught is that all the prophets had the same message, just were sent to different groups of people.

Maybe I can try and help, heres some stuff you seem to have missunderstood:

  • Muslims cannot pray to Muhammad, Muhammad peace be upon him, is only like us, the difference is that he is close to Allah, so some Muslims have the opinion that because of him being closer, his prayers are more likely to be responded and accepted. So they ask Muhammad to pray to Allah. This is something that alot dislike because it leads to asking Muhammad for things as many people do, and it leads to asking 'saints' for things which is disliked.
  • Jesus, peace be upon him, might have not had exactly the same message, not all the Prophets and messengers had, they had the same basic message, i.e. the fundamentals were the same, this is established in Allah saying that no Prophet was sent except that they were inspired 'Worship Me' or something to that effect, but as for laws and regulations this might have differed as we see that Sulaiman was allowed to build statues something which is not allowed for Muhammad, peace be upon them both.

So everyone agrees noone can grant anyone anything except Allah, God, but they only ask Muhammad to ask Allah since Muhammad's prayer is more likely to be accepted, they hold. Although I personally agree to a certain extend, Idont think Muhammad can hear our calling out to him and that is a pivatol point of that subject. Also in the Qu'ran Allah tells us time and time again to call to him, so it seems pretty silly for Muslims not to do that but to be so shy as to always call through Muhammad, this is why I personally dislike that if it makes sense, there was a whole thread on this.
 
Salams

3. He was sent to the last of mankind, but his mission was for the entire, the message of the prophets was the same. The previous prophets were a build up to Muhammad.secondly thank you kindly for misrepersenting my argument. i said "everybody from every nation, past present future will have to go to Muhammad saaws so that he may plea before Allah fo his ummah"

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Assalamu alaikum brother.

I apologies for that, I did it without realising when you used the term past, present & future, as when you used in the case of the hadith above.

I will refrain from further discussion as I am not entirely clear what we are arguing about in the first place.

If you just simply say"Prophet Muhammad was sent for mankind, past, present & future. Than most people naturally will be confused, because he was sent starting from a certain time period, and hence until the day of Judgement it is incumbent for people to accept the Guidance.

I do not see the above hadith on the day of Judgment supporting that. It's a bad analogy to use.
 
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Assalamualaikum

Some people say that Prophet (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) is omnipresent (Haazer and Naazer), and they argue that in the Qur’an, Allah Subhanahu wa ta’ala says ;

“O Prophet! Truly We have sent thee as a Witness a Bearer of Glad Tidings and a Warner" (Surah 33, Al-ahzab Ayah 45)
"How then if We brought from each people a witness and We brought thee as a witness against these people!." (Surah 4, An-Nisaa Ayah 41)


They say that to be a witness, the Prophet (SallAllahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) has to be present and seeing the event. But in other Ayahs of the Qur’an, Allah Subhanahu wa ta ‘ala says:

"This is of the tidings of things hidden. We reveal it unto thee (Mohammad). Thou wast not present with them when they threw their pens (to know) which of them should be the guardian of Mary, nor wast thou present with them when they quarrelled (thereupon)." (Surah 3, Al-‘Imraan, Ayah 44)
"Thou wast not on the Western Side when We decreed the commission to Moses nor wast thou a witness (of those events). " (Surah 28, Al-Qasas Ayah 46)


We see from these two Ayahs that the Prophet (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) was not present at certain events, and was not present nor was he witnessing these important moments in history.

We have now established that he is not present and seeing everywhere, and for that matter, nor is any other creation of Allah.
We as Muslims, pray Salah, and in that Salah, we say “I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and I bear witness that Muhammed is the messenger of Allah. Now any person with reasonable intelligence will realize that we bear witness, but do we see Allah Subhanahu wa ta ‘ala and do we see the Prophet of Allah (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) ? Then how can we be witnesses? We are witnesses because The Prophet and Final Messenger (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) has told us the truth…. In the same way, the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) does not need to be present or seeing to be a witness, because he will be a witness to what Allah Subhanahu wa ta ‘ala tells him.

We send Salat -as -Salaam on Muhammed Mustafa (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) many times a day. It is a tremendously virtuous deed, as stated in the Qur’an (33:56) and many hadith. How do we send blessings on him? Well many hadith will point out that the best way, is to recite Durood Ibrahim.

“Allah and His angels send blessings on the Prophet: O ye that believe! send ye blessings on him and salute him with all respect. ” Surah 33, Al-Ahzab Ayah 56
The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle! How shall we (ask Allah to) send blessings on you?" Allah's Apostle replied, "Say: O Allah! Send Your Mercy on Muhammad and on his wives and on his offspring, as You sent Your Mercy on Abraham's family; and send Your Blessings on Muhammad and on his offspring, as You sent Your Blessings on Abraham's family, for You are the Most Praiseworthy, the Most Glorious." Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 4.588 Narrated by Abu Humaid As Saidi (R.A.)


Note, the key word being “Send”. We ask Allah to Send His blessings, and they are Conveyed by Angels to him, as the following hadiths prove;

Abu Hurairah (Radiallahu anhu) reported that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "Do not turn my grave into a site of festivities, but send greetings to me for your greetings are raised to me wherever you might be." (Reported by Abu Daw'ud with a sound chain of authorities)
Aus (Radiallahu anhu) reported that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "The best of your days is Friday, so send more and more greetings to me on it, for your greetings are presented to me." They asked, "How are our greetings presented to you while you are dead and your body is turned into dust?" He replied, "Allah has forbidden the earth to consume the bodies of the prophets." (Abu Daw'ud and Nasa'i)
Abu Hurairah (Radiallahu anhu) reported that the Prophet, peace be upon him, said, "When any Muslim sends greetings to me, Allah returns my soul to me so that I may respond to his greetings." (Reported by Abu Daw'ud with a sound chain of authorities)
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: There is a mobile (squads) of Angels on Earth convey to me the blessings invoked upon me by my Ummah. Transmitted by Nasa'i and Darimi. Al-Tirmidhi Hadith 924 Narrated by Abdullah ibn Mas'ud (R.A.)


Now we can see that blessings and greetings are carried/conveyed to him and presented to him, he is not present and seeing, as some people wrongly believe. And, from the penultimate hadith mentioned, it is clear that his soul is returned to his body, so he can return the greetings, but if he was omnipresent, then his soul would not need to return to his body, because it would already be there…. and also everywhere else! And there is not a shred of Qur’anic / hadith evidence that says that the prophet is everywhere and all seeing and all knowing. People are too eager to jump on the bandwagon without finding out for themselves.

If the Messenger of Allah (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) was omnipresent, what was the need for him to make a physical night journey to Heaven? And why would he need a creature (Buraq) to carry him to Heaven?

The Prophet (S.A.W) said, "The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight. I was carried on it, and Jibraeel (Alayhis salaam) set out with me till we reached the nearest heaven. Sahih Al-Bukhari hadith 5.227, Narrated by Abbas bin Malik (R.A.)

The following hadith states that the Prophet of Allah (Sallallahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) will not know what the people innovated after he left. If he was “haazer and naazer” then he should know what the people did after he left…should he not?

The companions of the Prophet (S.A.W.) said, "Some men from my companions will come to my Lake-Fount and they will be driven away from it, and I will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' It will be said, 'You have no knowledge of what they innovated after you left: they turned apostate as renegades (reverted from Islam)." Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.586 Narrated by Ibn Al Musaiyab (R.A.)
The Prophet (S.A.W.) said, "Some of my companions will come to me at my Lake Fount, and after I recognize them, they will then be taken away from me, whereupon I will say, 'My companions!' Then it will be said, 'You do not know what they innovated (new things) in the religion after you.' " Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 8.584 Narrated by Anas (R.A.)


We all know that Sayyedna Muhammed Mustafa (Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) is the highest of creation, and is to be treated with the utmost respect, and to invent things about him is against all Islamic teachings. To make claims that he was not human and that he is omnipresent is completely baseless and makes a mockery of Islam. May Allah Subhanahu wa ta ‘ala guide us on the true path, Amin.
 
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Has it? :?

Man this thread is getting complicated where like discussing so many different Issues at the same time!

The Issues are:

1) The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] is sent to All Mankind, can this be regarded as meaning past, present and Future?

2) Asking the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] to supplicate for us, which we shouldnt discuss in this thread as a brother has pointed out we have a complete thread on this.

3) and now Hazir wa Nazir, which i dont think is relevent to what we have been discussing.
 
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Salaam,

Forgive me brother, but i'm only replying to an earlier post in this thread. If you actually see the brother who started this thread wanted to know about "YA Muhammad (saw)", Isn't that Hazir Nazir?.
 
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Salaam,

Forgive me brother, but i'm only replying to an earlier post in this thread. If you actually see the brother who started this thread wanted to know about "YA Muhammad (saw)", Isn't that Hazir Nazir?.

lol my mistake!

Ok I just would to know how you define the term Hazir and Nazir when it is applied to the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him]?

And does saying Ya Muhammad on its own wih out looking into the belief when saying this statement apply these attributes to the Prophet [Peace be upon him]?
 
lol my mistake!

Ok I just would to know how you define the term Hazir and Nazir when it is applied to the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him]?

And does saying Ya Muhammad on its own wih out looking into the belief when saying this statement apply these attributes to the Prophet [Peace be upon him]?


The statement ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ consists of two grammatical components. The first is the word ‘Yaa’ which is known as ‘Harf Nidaa’ (vocative particle). The second is the word Rasoolullah which will be considered as the ‘Munaada’ (the person being called). Arabic grammarians state that ‘Yaa’ is a particle which comes in place of the word ‘Unaadi’ which means ‘I am calling’ (Lisaanul Arab pg.506). Thus, the sentence ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ would be translated as ‘I am calling you, Oh Prophet of Allah.’ It can be translated ‘Oh Rasoolullah’.

‘Yaa’ is one of the eight different vocative particles of the Arabic language. Some of these particles are used solely for the purpose of calling unto someone who is far away whilst other particles are solely used for the purpose of calling those who are close by. However, the particle ‘Yaa’ can be used for both far and close. (Jaamin Durood Arabin vol.2 pg.106). Hence, grammatically, it would be correct to say ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ when Nabi [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] is called upon whether close by or far away from the person calling unto him. However, this is permissible in regards to Arabic grammar only.

There is also the aspect of Aqaaid (ideology) that has to be considered as well. It is the belief of the Ahlus sunnah Wal Jamaa that Allah Ta’ala is One. He has no partner or equal and nothing resembles Him from His creation. (Aqeeda Tahawiy). Allah Ta’ala is Samee (the All-Hearing). Thus, nothing can resemble Allah Ta’ala in this attribute of being All-Hearing. Allah Ta’ala is also ‘Alaa kulli shay-in qadeer’ (able to do anything He please). Thus, if He wishes to allow someone to hear something, then he can permit it even though outwardly it might seem physically impossible. Bearing the above in mind, thus, it could be said that to say ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ whilst being close to him, as in the case of visiting his blessed grave would be correct both grammatically and ideologically. Hence, the recommended Durood (salutation) which visiting is ‘Assalaamu alayka yaa Rasoolullah’. This is due to the fact that the belief of the Ahlus Sunnah is that Nabi [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] is alive in his blessed grave and as the authentic Ahaadith mention that angels present salutation of the Ummah to Rasoolullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam].

On the contrary, if a person says ‘Yaa Rasoolullah’ whilst being far away from him then although grammatically it would be correct, but if the person believes that Rasoolullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] can hear him due to him being All-Hearing or Haazir (omnipresent) or Naazir (All-Seeing) then such a statement and belief would be Kufr. This is due to the person attributing the sole qualities of Allah Ta’ala to His creation which is Shirk (polytheism).
 
So what is your [Ironbeard] view on sending Salam from afar by the words 'Assalathu Wassalamu Alaika Ya Rasoolullah" with the Aqeedah that the Salam will be presented to the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him]?
 
1) The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] is sent to All Mankind, can this be regarded as meaning past, present and Future?

The brothers seem to all agree that our Prophet saws was sent as a Mercy to the entire creation. No need to argue any further.
 
So what is your [Ironbeard] view on sending Salam from afar by the words 'Assalathu Wassalamu Alaika Ya Rasoolullah" with the Aqeedah that the Salam will be presented to the Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him]?

As we learn from Ahadith, when we send salam on our Prophet Muhammad Mustafa (s.a.w), the angels deliver our salaam to him and he replies to our salaam. He cannot hear or see us anywhere in the world, thats a sole quality of Allah almighty.

About Assalatu wassalamu Alaika Ya rasoolillah, it depends on the reciters intention, if he recites it with the intention that Prophet (s.a.w) can hear him and see him there and then, thats wrong and against what Allah teaches us. If out of love one says "Ya Rasoolullah" then that is different".
 
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1) The Prophet Muhammad [Peace be upon him] is sent to All Mankind, can this be regarded as meaning past, present and Future?[/quote]

Abu Ibraheem said:
The brothers seem to all agree that our Prophet saws was sent as a Mercy to the entire creation. No need to argue any further.

I will not say All brother's agree with the statement, because all brother's don't understand what you mean by sent to allmankind past, present & future.

This statement is an over-simplication and therefore misleading or at least confusing.
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there is a Qur'aan ayah in the 7th or 9th surah , mercy to the worlds , universe , or howver you want to translate it. I would advice consulting the tafaaseer before bashing me upsides the head with what you havent researched yet
 

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