Mujahideen Literally Walk Over Mines To Save People - Bravery!

[Fishman]

Yeah it's him. It would have turned out fine if that pig Putin hadn't given the order to attack the building and kill everyone in it.

What do you mean by 'turned out fine'? Surely it's not fine to capture a school and starve everybody inside?

 

[Chechnya]

What do you mean by 'turned out fine'? Surely it's not fine to capture a school and starve everybody inside?

the aim in beslan wasnt to kill anyone - the aim was to stop the greater killing, some children dying was the worst thing that could have happened for them.
in the first war chechen fighters captured a hospital and demanded russia stop the genocide and start dialogue - the russians were literally forced to stop the slaughter and rape and to start talking.
this was also the aim in beslan but things went horribly wrong - many witnesses have also confirmed that the hostage-takers were trying to get them out when the russians stormed the building and werent firing on them.

in my opiniion beslan was a big mistake - i am happy the shamil basayev acknowldeged his mistake and offered to go on trial for his role in it. very few world leaders (bush, putin, olmert) will admit they did something wrong when they have killed a great more people than died in beslan.

however the whole situation is a complicated thing - please read this thread, it explains it in a bit more detail:
http://www.islamicboard.com/world-affairs/14142-beslan-why-did-happen.html

 

[SilentObserver]

the aim in beslan wasnt to kill anyone

Yeah, right. Immediately after having gathered all the hostages in the gym, the attackers set about killing about twenty of the adult male hostages, reportedly the strongest in the group. The attackers forced other hostages to throw their bodies out of the building and set some children to wash the blood off the floor.

 

[SilentObserver]

Hostage Kazbek Dzarasov reported that the terrorists would pick from amongst the prettiest adolescent girls and take them to another room with an excuse of having them fetch water, rape them, and return them a few hours later.

 

[SilentObserver]

The crying of the children irritated the terrorists, and on several occasions children and their mothers were threatened that if they didn't stop crying they'd be shot.

 

[Chechnya]

Hostage Kazbek Dzarasov reported that the terrorists would pick from amongst the prettiest adolescent girls and take them to another room with an excuse of having them fetch water, rape them, and return them a few hours later.

this was directly contradicted by many women hostages who said that there was no rape - in fact there wasnt even seperation of the hostages, all were kept in the same place.
Regina Kusraeva said when the russians stormed the place, it was the hostage-takers that were trying to find them a way out and that she was "absolutely not scared of the militants".

http://www.jamestown.org/news_details.php?news_id=121

ill post more stuff in a bit when i get time.

sensational lies seem to be your thing at the moment...

 

[SilentObserver]

sensational lies seem to be your thing at the moment...

LOL! This coming from you!

 

[Chechen]

What do you mean by 'turned out fine'? Surely it's not fine to capture a school and starve everybody inside?

Basayev wanted to put Putin into a position where he would just be forced to go for negotiations. They took the school and the only thing they asked for was to stop the war in Chechnya. How can they be terrorists? Did they demand a million dollars and a plane to Columbia? No they just asked for the genocide and slaughter of a whole nation to stop. Basayev said he wanted it to go well for both sides. For the Chechens the war and the genocide would stop and for Putin he wouldn't have faced a shameful defeat he could have said that he was obliged to go and negotiate that way his people would respect him even more. He knew that Putin was a monster and didn't care for human life but he thought he would have some feelings for children but at the end he found out that no. Cause Putin ordered to storm the building and kill everyone inside it. Witnesses said that they saw Russian soldiers on top of another building firing from flame throwers ( which have been forbiden by the Geneva Convention) at the roof of the school which caused it to collapse and kill so many people. The Russians started firing at their own people and survivors of the attack said that Chechens were picking them up from the floor and helping them escape. Putin had gotten rid of his problem and at the end everyone thought it was the Chechens and started hating them. Basayev said in a statement that he thought Putin would have had pity for his own children and went forward for negotiations but after the attack he saw what a really ruthless and cold hearted man he was. And unlike the many terrorists on this planet( Putin, Bush, Olmert etc) he proposed to go on any international trial after the war even tough it wasn't fully his fault. Plus what I find shocking is that when 45 000 Chechen children die the world is like oh yeah too bad for them or just completely stays silent but when 300 Russian children are killed everyone starts screaming and jumping on us even the so called muslim brothers.

 

[SilentObserver]

it was the hostage-takers that were trying to find them a way out

That makes a lot of sense. The terrorists take them hostage so that they can then try to find a way to get them out?
There is no justification. They purposely took the lives of hundreds of small children hostage, and put them in danger. Only cowards would do this. There is no justification. These pigs will burn for what they have done to these children.

 

[SilentObserver]

Basayev wanted to put Putin into a position where he would just be forced to go for negotiations. They took the school and the only thing they asked for was to stop the war in Chechnya. How can they be terrorists? Did they demand a million dollars and a plane to Columbia? No they just asked for the genocide and slaughter of a whole nation to stop. Basayev said he wanted it to go well for both sides. For the Chechens the war and the genocide would stop and for Putin he wouldn't have faced a shameful defeat he could have said that he was obliged to go and negotiate that way his people would respect him even more. He knew that Putin was a monster and didn't care for human life but he thought he would have some feelings for children but at the end he found out that no. Cause Putin ordered to storm the building and kill everyone inside it. Witnesses said that they saw Russian soldiers on top of another building firing from flame throwers ( which have been forbiden by the Geneva Convention) at the roof of the school which caused it to collapse and kill so many people. The Russians started firing at their own people and survivors of the attack said that Chechens were picking them up from the floor and helping them escape. Putin had gotten rid of his problem and at the end everyone thought it was the Chechens and started hating them. Basayev said in a statement that he thought Putin would have had pity for his own children and went forward for negotiations but after the attack he saw what a really ruthless and cold hearted man he was. And unlike the many terrorists on this planet( Putin, Bush, Olmert etc) he proposed to go on any international trial after the war even tough it wasn't fully his fault. Plus what I find shocking is that when 45 000 Chechen children die the world is like oh yeah too bad for them or just completely stays silent but when 300 Russian children are killed everyone starts screaming and jumping on us even the so called muslim brothers.

What a load of crap. Please, what insane lies. Oh, yes. The heroic terrorists were trying to help the children.
There is no justification for using the lives of children to gain what you want. Never.

 

[Chechen]

That makes a lot of sense. The terrorists take them hostage so that they can then try to find a way to get them out?
There is no justification. They purposely took the lives of hundreds of small children hostage, and put them in danger. Only cowards would do this. There is no justification. These pigs will burn for what they have done to these children.

They took them hostage to scare Putin and force him to negotitate they had no intention of hurting anyone. Do you think they would just come up to Putin and ask him to stop the war in their country? No they had to scare him so they had to do something extreme. They were almost 100% sure that Putin would do anyhting to get his people out of there and accept to their terms. But no instead Putin ordered for the building to be stormed.

 

[SilentObserver]

They took them hostage to scare Putin and force him to negotitate they had no intention of hurting anyone. Do you think they would just come up to Putin and ask him to stop the war in their country? No they had to scare him so they had to do something extreme. They were almost 100% sure that Putin would do anyhting to get his people out of there and accept to their terms. But no instead Putin ordered for the building to be stormed.

There is no justification. This was one of the most pathetic, cowardly acts of the last 100 years of human treachery.

 

[Chechen]

What a load of crap. Please, what insane lies. Oh, yes. The heroic terrorists were trying to help the children.
There is no justification for using the lives of children to gain what you want. Never.

Instead of repeating that no matter what I say are "insane lies" why don't you prove me wrong. Prove that what I just said is a load of crap.

 

[SilentObserver]

Instead of repeating that no matter what I say are "insane lies" why don't you prove me wrong. Prove that what I just said is a load of crap.

OK.

http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/040913/story.html
Hostage says it was one of the terrorist bombs going off(not purposely) that started the final showdown. Not the Russian forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis - terrorized the children,immediatly killed men, threatened to kill children, raped girls, etc.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/world/04/russian_s/html/1.stm - held more than a thousand hostage, and refused them food or water. Children forced to resort to drinking urine.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2099-1385297,00.html - terrorists brutalizing children during seige.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/01/20/48hours/main668127.shtml - among other things father shot in front of young sons.

 

[Chechnya]

That makes a lot of sense. The terrorists take them hostage so that they can then try to find a way to get them out?
There is no justification. They purposely took the lives of hundreds of small children hostage, and put them in danger. Only cowards would do this. There is no justification. These pigs will burn for what they have done to these children.

It actualy does make sense. If the children were dead there would have been no negotitian as to the murder of chechen women and children - without the hostages they couldnt stop the genocide of their people as they have done before.
Once it was clear it was over, they helped people find a way out as said by the HOSTAGES THEMSELVES.

But obviously you know more than these hostages, right? :rollseyes

 

[SilentObserver]

But obviously you know more than these hostages, right? :rollseyes

The hostages never said that. Because you say it makes it true?

LOL! The Jamestown Foundation is your source?! The Jamestown Foundation is a notorious conspiracy theory group, dedicated to opposing the US, they dislike the former Soviet Union, and any other world power.

No, I don't know more than the hostages. But clearly you know even less.


Try these hostage accounts, they differ from the lies that come from the JT Foundation;
http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/040913/story.html
Hostage says it was one of the terrorist bombs going off(not purposely) that started the final showdown. Not the Russian forces.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_...hostage_crisis - terrorized the children,immediatly killed men, threatened to kill children, raped girls, etc.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/h...n_s/html/1.stm - held more than a thousand hostage, and refused them food or water. Children forced to resort to drinking urine.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...385297,00.html - terrorists brutalizing children during seige.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/...in668127.shtml - among other things father shot in front of young sons.

 

[Chechnya]

There are many sources from interviews and documentaries including from Russian news sources:

http://www.lenta.ru/news/2005/06/15/kulaev/

Zinaida Varziyeva, Regina Kusayeva, Larissa Kudzeiva are just some of the hostages whose testimony you can check out - so yes they did say out.

Prefer their testimony to wikipedia which can be altered by anyone. lol :rollseyes

 

[SilentObserver]

There are many sources from interviews and documentaries including from Russian news sources:

http://www.lenta.ru/news/2005/06/15/kulaev/

Zinaida Varziyeva, Regina Kusayeva, Larissa Kudzeiva are just some of the hostages whose testimony you can check out - so yes they did say out.

Prefer their testimony to wikipedia which can be altered by anyone. lol :rollseyes

Are you really going to try to have us believe that the hostages would side with the terrorists? That the hostages would defend the terrorists? Get off the drugs.
The terrorist pigs immediatly killed the fathers of these children. They terrorized the kids. They beat them. They raped a few of the prettier girls. They refused food and water, forcing the children to resort to drinking urine. The children were in terror for three days, saw unimaginable horror. They are scarred for life. More than 300 were killed. And you want us to believe that they are thankful to the terrorist pigs?!

These pigs at Beslan cannot be defended. They will burn for what they did to those children. It is immoral, and disgusting to think that anyone would defend the murder and terrorizing of children, for any cause. It is a sick mind that would defend killing children.

 

[Chechnya]

Are you really going to try to have us believe that the hostages would side with the terrorists? That the hostages would defend the terrorists? Get off the drugs.

Are you getting frustrated that ACTUAL HOSTAGES dare contradict what you have made up? loool

Yes they confirm girls werent seperated from the hostages so there cant have been rape - and no the testimony of the hostages shows that they werent defending the hostages-takers.
Throughout they refered to them as terrorists and showed no sympathy for them or their cause.

I know sometimes the truth hurts but live with it my friend

Au revoir :rollseyes

 

[SilentObserver]

Are you getting frustrated that ACTUAL HOSTAGES dare contradict what you have made up? loool

Yes they confirm girls werent seperated from the hostages so there cant have been rape - and no the testimony of the hostages shows that they werent defending the hostages-takers.
Throughout they refered to them as terrorists and showed no sympathy for them or their cause.

I know sometimes the truth hurts but live with it my friend

Au revoir :rollseyes

No, I'm frustrated that you would post such arrogant lies.

Why do you defend the action of these pigs?

Why do you defend the terrorizing, beating, raping and killing of children?