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oh ye lol, hmm i dont know of any other non-muslim thats actually studied the quran and rejected it... well theres those priests etc but they have the "spirit" in them so cant really say much, but this one wasnt even a christian!!
 
What will it take for you to break down?

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Is it surprising that they see Russians and Russians as the ones to kill.

If they have "gone psycho" as you put it, then they are "psycho" and they should be locked up. How a danger to society comes to be is not relevant to the fact that it needs to be neutralized. If people seriously want to tear apart innocent Russian civilians, they need to be locked up, plain and simple. That or destroyed.
 
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If they have "gone psycho" as you put it, then they are "psycho" and they should be locked up. How a danger to society comes to be is not relevant to the fact that it needs to be neutralized. If people seriously want to tear apart innocent Russian civilians, they need to be locked up, plain and simple. That or destroyed.


If you really think that someone has gone through war and has seen things that haunt him he should be locked up? Why don't we lock up all the mentally retarded people and the handicapped people and blind people. They have problems so we should lock them up until they become "normal".
 
Then the people who did this to the chechens should be dealt with the same. Thats also very plain and simple. Those chechens had a reason to go crazy. What reason did the oppressors have?
 
And again with your straw man. Why do you keep insisting on this? Who here has said that attrocities done to muslims are any less sickening? You seem to want to paint everybody as evil. Perhaps to justify a bigotry you care not to admit?

What can i say. The difference in muslim and nonmuslim lives became even more apparent after Beslan.
Esp. in the west.
If western leaders invite Putin to meet and discuss with, why are they so disgusted with the "terrorists" in Beslan? Why is there still more discussion on the 200 non-muslim kids in beslan than the 40,000 muslim kids in chechnya?

As for whose to blame for these guys being power - i would have thought the answer obvious: the nations that elected them.
 
What can i say. The difference in muslim and nonmuslim lives became even more apparent after Beslan.
Esp. in the west.
If western leaders invite Putin to meet and discuss with, why are they so disgusted with the "terrorists" in Beslan? Why is there still more discussion on the 200 non-muslim kids in beslan than the 40,000 muslim kids in chechnya?

As for whose to blame for these guys being power - i would have thought the answer obvious: the nations that elected them.

Because the up-close butchery of innocent children, much of it captured on video, tends to have more impact than a news article on a statistical number of civilians killed in Chechnya. That is the cold hard reality of the situation. Plus, Putin and Bush were good friends at one time. They aren't anymore. However, the U.S. is in a tough position politically with Russia. Putin has done a good job at painting all the Chechen fighters as terrorists, and obviously Beslan cemented that description for everyone. If the U.S. criticizes Russia for fighting an enemy capable of butchering schoolchildren huddled in a gym, Russia would accuse the U.S. of being hypocritical on the issue. If Beslan hadn't happened, there would have been more avenues to pursue politically.
 
Because the up-close butchery of innocent children, much of it captured on video, tends to have more impact than a news article on a statistical number of civilians killed in Chechnya. That is the cold hard reality of the situation. Plus, Putin and Bush were good friends at one time. They aren't anymore. However, the U.S. is in a tough position politically with Russia. Putin has done a good job at painting all the Chechen fighters as terrorists, and obviously Beslan cemented that description for everyone. If the U.S. criticizes Russia for fighting an enemy capable of butchering schoolchildren huddled in a gym, Russia would accuse the U.S. of being hypocritical on the issue. If Beslan hadn't happened, there would have been more avenues to pursue politically.


Believe me there are plenty of videos showing Chechens getting killed, getting tortured etc. Just go to the thread I created called: Stop the war. It's got videos of the destroyed capital city, of dead people aswell as children. And I don't know what has you think that Bush and Putin are enemies. They've always been helping eachother especially after 911. Putin said to Bush: You have your terrorists and I have my terrorists. So that was basically to tell him that he won't say a word about what Bush does as long as Bush keeps his mouth shut about Chechnya. So if Beslan never happened America would never help Chechnya.
 
Because the up-close butchery of innocent children, much of it captured on video, tends to have more impact than a news article on a statistical number of civilians killed in Chechnya. That is the cold hard reality of the situation. Plus, Putin and Bush were good friends at one time. They aren't anymore. However, the U.S. is in a tough position politically with Russia. Putin has done a good job at painting all the Chechen fighters as terrorists, and obviously Beslan cemented that description for everyone. If the U.S. criticizes Russia for fighting an enemy capable of butchering schoolchildren huddled in a gym, Russia would accuse the U.S. of being hypocritical on the issue. If Beslan hadn't happened, there would have been more avenues to pursue politically.

already answered that before

all political ways to stop the slaughter of the chechen people were dead - the international community either support putin or gave its silent approval as to what he was doing

chechens didnt lose anyting in beslan since they didnt have anything in the first place - no world support, muslim or non-muslim (apart from afghanistan).

If i am to believe what you say, then i must assume all non-muslims are so fickle that they think 200 dead kids is worse than 40,000 dead kids simply because the former "happened on the telly" and the latter didnt

i cant begin to tell you how idiotic that is

you guys arent really inspiring me with confidence here:rollseyes
 
already answered that before

all political ways to stop the slaughter of the chechen people were dead - the international community either support putin or gave its silent approval as to what he was doing

chechens didnt lose anyting in beslan since they didnt have anything in the first place - no world support, muslim or non-muslim (apart from afghanistan).

If i am to believe what you say, then i must assume all non-muslims are so fickle that they think 200 dead kids is worse than 40,000 dead kids simply because the former "happened on the telly" and the latter didnt

i cant begin to tell you how idiotic that is

you guys arent really inspiring me with confidence here:rollseyes

It isn't that hard to understand. Watching bloody naked children running out of a burning building and screaming parents holding their dead child in their arms has more impact if one can see the images and hear the screams. There is nothing "idiotic" about that reality, it is human nature.
 
It isn't that hard to understand. Watching bloody naked children running out of a burning building and screaming parents holding their dead child in their arms has more impact if one can see the images and hear the screams. There is nothing "idiotic" about that reality, it is human nature.

on the contrary there is something very idiotic about it.

If one can see the tragedy of 200 children dying - then its not a big leap to imagine what it would be like for 50 times that number being killed - and still dying to this day.

So the ordeal for Beslan kids (though they will carry the scars) is now over - while the ordeal for Chechen children is going into its 12th year and all the people who danced in anger about Beslan have dissappeared again.

the only thing that i can see that would make a difference is if the people cared about one set of children and not the other.
 
It isn't that hard to understand. Watching bloody naked children running out of a burning building and screaming parents holding their dead child in their arms has more impact if one can see the images and hear the screams. There is nothing "idiotic" about that reality, it is human nature.


You can see dead Chechen children on TV or internet but still zero reaction from the world.
 
If you really think that someone has gone through war and has seen things that haunt him he should be locked up? Why don't we lock up all the mentally retarded people

We do, when they are a danger to society. This is no different.
 
If i am to believe what you say, then i must assume all non-muslims are so fickle that they think 200 dead kids is worse than 40,000 dead kids simply because the former "happened on the telly" and the latter didnt

All non-muslims you say? Bigoted much?
 
your hypocrisy has been exposed my friend
''Hypocrisy'',''friend''? An odd choice of words. I have not given any demonstration of hypocrisy. Please point out where. ''Friend''? You and I are definitely not friends. I would never befriend a person that openly supports murdering children.
if im glorifying the murder of children, then what about americans, israelis and russians who VOTED their leaders in to continue killing Muslim children - these whole nations are therefore child-killers by nature lool - they should all be wiped out, right????? :)
then what about americans, israelis and russians
What have they got to do with our conversation? I'm pretty sure neither you or I are from these countries. And it wouldn't matter. The "what about them" arguement does not make it ok for you.
these whole nations are therefore child-killers by nature
No, that's rediculous. Most people don't vote. And the ones that do are not voting to kill muslims. In any of the countries you named, people vote based on domestic issues. Taxes, economy, social programs, and also mixed in foreign policy.
they should all be wiped out, right?????
not worth anymore response than this.
of course as i say your evident hypocrisy on the difference between muslim and non-muslim children causes you only too bark like a dog when its non-muslim children being killed
We have not yet discussed in depth the killing of other children, be it muslim or non-muslim. So at this point your accusation of hypocrisy is baseless.
 
Yeah Shamil said that he thought that like any normal human being Putin would go negotiate if he used children but he was shocked when Putin just ordered to attack the building without taking a second to think the situation through. Putin showed the whole world he didn't care about anyone's lives not even of his own people. Shamil was 100% sure that Putin would negotiate like the Russians had done in Budenyvosk but at the end it just turned out how he never suspected it would happen.

He shot kid's fathers right in front of them, first thing when he took the school. He took hundreds of children and put their lives in danger. He threatened their lives and terrorized them. He gave no food or water, the children had to drink urine.
 
The Chechens have always been seen as evil. Even by most of their "muslim" brothers. Nothing has changed. And I still can't manage to understand how we who have been oppressed for 400 years, have gone through all sorts of torture, have lost 300 000 people among them 50 000 children for these last 12 years only, 80% of our country has been destroyed and at the end WE are the evil ones??

The Chechens have always been seen as evil.
I have never seen this. Personally, I don't think chechens are evil. I know two chechens (related to one) that are wonderful. Not evil.

I think that Shamil Basayev and anyone that supports the terrorizing of children are evil.
 
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