Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

[DanEdge]

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I agree, the terrorist needs to be crucified and we need to arm our masjids.

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I want revenge, and the punishment of Allah is fitting.

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I disagree, this terror was terrible, but if more muslims were armed the deaths would have been reduced.

So the solution is violence and harshness against those who fight us. No leniency with enemies.

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Only Death or Submission for them. Nothing else.

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Violence is good when done in the cause of Allah.

I'd be careful with all that anger. While justified, the more you feed it the stronger it gets. Hate festers over time and takes on a life of its own, even if you discover later that the source was unjustified.

I was a young man of 23 when the Twin Towers fell, and it took me almost 15 years to finally go to a mosque, join IB, and start surgically removing the hate and prejudice from deep within my heart.

Also: do you really want citizens with guns in your place of worship? I understand the need for extra security in harsh times. Our local cops posted up outside our mosques for a few days after the attack. But I think it sends the wrong message, both internally and externally, if you start packing heat on holy ground.

 

[ardianto]

So the solution is violence and harshness against those who fight us. No leniency with enemies.

What is happening now is not conventional war which if the enemy bomb our base, then we bomb enemy base. But conflict of hate, which both parties are always targeting innocent people. That’s why we must try to reduce this conflict to prevent more innocent people fall victims.

 

[M.I.A.]

So basically we are now on the opposite side of our own argument..

What it feels like to be victims of terror.

And those that really care the least, justify the act by pointing to atrocities committed against non muslims in Muslim countries on the regular.

Me personally I am still not buying into any of it.. the internet is a fickle and fake place.

The only benefit of strong opposition from all sides is people willing to dig through old Facebook posts..tweets or what have you.

The hypocircy of our selves needs to looked at.

We need a change in mentality rather than a change in feeling.. it will get you further.

Allah swt have mercy on all those involved.

 

[SintoDinto]

As salamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

I agree, the terrorist needs to be crucified and we need to arm our masjids.


We have our rights to defend ourselves, and ANYONE who points a gun at a muslim is an enemy and his blood is halal.

I ask Allah to help the families, and curse the kafir with no return.

I watched the terror video, and the guy has NO remorse, he LAUGHED, and he said the only regret was that he didn't kill more.

I want revenge, and the punishment of Allah is fitting.

And no, we muslims shouldn't retaliate in copycat attacks, rather we should work to have justice. The guy killed.

Reintroduce Capital Punishment for this terrorist.

Islamophobia caused this, hateful rethoric and dehumanising of muslims

No leniency for terrorists.

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I disagree, this terror was terrible, but if more muslims were armed the deaths would have been reduced.

So the solution is violence and harshness against those who fight us. No leniency with enemies.

Flowers and nice words won't do against these shayateen.

Only Death or Submission for them. Nothing else.

I read some of his manifesto and it is clear to me he didnt care. The kafir killed us only cuz we believed in Allah and were legal immigrants.

And believe me, only Physical Jihad will do against them, only death or submission.

These are the kuffar you are HARSH and ruthless against, not lenient at all.

Believe me, such ppl don't give a damn about us.

They'd kill you and me without any remorse. And laugh.

So do not show affection or mercy to those who only want ruin for you. Those devils dont deserve any.

I see the wisdom now behind verses where we are commanded to be harsh and not befriend them, and to slay them in battle.

I love you akhi, we need stronger baraa' against our enemies and stronger walaa' for muslims.

Violence is good when done in the cause of Allah.

Not all violence is bad

terror attack by muslim scumbag turk in netherlands: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/18/utrecht-shooting-several-injured-shooting-utrecht-tram/ is this what you wanted [MENTION=38408]Serinity[/MENTION] ????? you Islamists never fail to amaze me

 

[M.I.A.]

terror attack by muslim scumbag turk in netherlands: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/18/utrecht-shooting-several-injured-shooting-utrecht-tram/ is this what you wanted [MENTION=38408]Serinity[/MENTION] ????? you Islamists never fail to amaze me

...winning hearts and minds I'm sure o_0

I don't think any of you are stupid enough to not realise that it's not war.. its straight up mischief.

But if religion were simple God would have only had to tell you once.. ending on an oversimplified throwaway because who wants to be popular.

 

[Silas]

I should point out that Dennis Prager is Jewish, and a hardcore neocon Zionist. Guy hates Muslims. His views are not widely accepted, even among conservatives in the US, but he does have a small following.

Ben Shapiro is also Jewish and pro-Israel, but he has a much softer stance when it comes to Muslim immigration, and I wouldn't call him anti-Muslim. He has argued for the rights of Muslims in the US to worship and organize freely, and has condemned attacks against them.

I don't think there is any one group we can call "White Nationalists" --it is a boogeyman term used by the MSM. Within that sphere, you could have outright racists and Nazis, but you could also have civic nationalists who want to reduce immigration and are very pro-European in their outlook. Why is Arab Nationalism OK, but White Nationalism evil? Maybe both of them are, but just because someone is ethnocentric and nationalist, it does not make him evil. The opposite of a nationalist is a globalist, and when people hear that, they think of guys like George Soros and Thomas Friedman. These are the guys these WN types really hate, because they think they want to erase borders and cultures in an effort to usher in a plutocratic, third-world sweatshop nation run by Jewish oligarchs. Obviously, this is a simplification and a bit hysteric, but it is what they believe.

 

[Serinity]

terror attack by muslim scumbag turk in netherlands: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/18/utrecht-shooting-several-injured-shooting-utrecht-tram/ is this what you wanted [MENTION=38408]Serinity[/MENTION] ????? you Islamists never fail to amaze me

No, this is not what I wanted, I just want armed /secured masjids from now on.

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What is happening now is not conventional war which if the enemy bomb our base, then we bomb enemy base. But conflict of hate, which both parties are always targeting innocent people. That’s why we must try to reduce this conflict to prevent more innocent people fall victims.

We don't live in times of peace. We have to arm ourselves to protect ourselves.

Ending Islamophobia etc.

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What is happening now is not conventional war which if the enemy bomb our base, then we bomb enemy base. But conflict of hate, which both parties are always targeting innocent people. That’s why we must try to reduce this conflict to prevent more innocent people fall victims.

We don't live in times of peace. We have to arm ourselves to protect ourselves.

Ending Islamophobia etc.

 

[CuriousonTruth]

terror attack by muslim scumbag turk in netherlands: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/18/utrecht-shooting-several-injured-shooting-utrecht-tram/ is this what you wanted @Serinity ????? you Islamists never fail to amaze me

How do you know it's a "terror" attack and not gang violence? Turks are many things but not salafis, so I highly doubt it has anything to do with religion.

 

[AbdurRahman.]

Former Chechen jihadi and ISIS suspect carries out terror attack!!!:

A local businessman told BBC Turkish that the suspect had previously fought in Russia's republic of Chechnya.

Jihadist groups, including those aligned with the Islamic State (IS) group, have long operated in the region.

"He was arrested because of his connections with [IS] but released later," the businessman told the BBC.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47615231

 

[CuriousonTruth]

I should point out that Dennis Prager is Jewish, and a hardcore neocon Zionist. Guy hates Muslims. His views are not widely accepted, even among conservatives in the US, but he does have a small following.

Ben Shapiro is also Jewish and pro-Israel, but he has a much softer stance when it comes to Muslim immigration, and I wouldn't call him anti-Muslim. He has argued for the rights of Muslims in the US to worship and organize freely, and has condemned attacks against them.

I don't think there is any one group we can call "White Nationalists" --it is a boogeyman term used by the MSM. Within that sphere, you could have outright racists and Nazis, but you could also have civic nationalists who want to reduce immigration and are very pro-European in their outlook. Why is Arab Nationalism OK, but White Nationalism evil? Maybe both of them are, but just because someone is ethnocentric and nationalist, it does not make him evil. The opposite of a nationalist is a globalist, and when people hear that, they think of guys like George Soros and Thomas Friedman. These are the guys these WN types really hate, because they think they want to erase borders and cultures in an effort to usher in a plutocratic, third-world sweatshop nation run by Jewish oligarchs. Obviously, this is a simplification and a bit hysteric, but it is what they believe.

Let's not suddenly pretend now globalism hasn't benefitted the West. Globalism is just an extension of colonialism. European countries have used "human rights" as a casus belli to attack and remove many legitimate governments like in Algeria, Egypt, etc. It has used its globalist economic system to suffocate any country that will not be their slaves, they even managed to harm a robust economy like that of Turkey. And I don't think I need to mention how they suffocated Iran and any country they don't like.

And those "anti-globalists" certainly don't mind muslim countries and countries they hate being thrown under the bus by "globalism". And it is Muslim countries' whose culture is being erased. Western clothing and lifestyle is everywhere as are the problems (divorce, adultery, pre-marital sex, etc) that comes with it. And when muslims fight back, they are either extremists or terrorists.

For someone who knows about Europeans - the world's most xenophobic people, I have no expectation or need of Europeans to play "nice" or tolerate other cultures when they spent centuries destroying other cultures or way of life and if they couldn't do that (as with Islam) they mock, degrade it and character assassinate the founders of it.

The Europeans want nationalism for themselves but when non-European countries like Turkey elects a nationalist, conservative leader liek Erdogan they absolutely hate them for it. Europeans talk about human rights and democracy, but they have no problem in supporting coups against legitimate democratic leaders like Erdogan and Morsi. I still remember nearly every European and American were celebrating when the Egyptian army forced Muslim Brotherhood out and how they were tearing their hair and raging when the one in Turkey failed. Geert Wilders said it was a great dissapointment that the coup failed. This is the leader of the second largest party of Netherlands.

And to cover their loss, they said "Oh Erdogan planned the whole thing".

Evil, just pure evil.

 

[MazharShafiq]

the terrorist needs to be crucified and we need to arm our masjids.

 

[Silas]

Let's not suddenly pretend now globalism hasn't benefitted the West. Globalism is just an extension of colonialism. European countries have used "human rights" as a casus belli to attack and remove many legitimate governments like in Algeria, Egypt, etc. It has used its globalist economic system to suffocate any country that will not be their slaves, they even managed to harm a robust economy like that of Turkey. And I don't think I need to mention how they suffocated Iran and any country they don't like.

And those "anti-globalists" certainly don't mind muslim countries and countries they hate being thrown under the bus by "globalism". And it is Muslim countries' whose culture is being erased. Western clothing and lifestyle is everywhere as are the problems (divorce, adultery, pre-marital sex, etc) that comes with it. And when muslims fight back, they are either extremists or terrorists.

For someone who knows about Europeans - the world's most xenophobic people, I have no expectation or need of Europeans to play "nice" or tolerate other cultures when they spent centuries destroying other cultures or way of life and if they couldn't do that (as with Islam) they mock, degrade it and character assassinate the founders of it.

The Europeans want nationalism for themselves but when non-European countries like Turkey elects a nationalist, conservative leader liek Erdogan they absolutely hate them for it. Europeans talk about human rights and democracy, but they have no problem in supporting coups against legitimate democratic leaders like Erdogan and Morsi. I still remember nearly every European and American were celebrating when the Egyptian army forced Muslim Brotherhood out and how they were tearing their hair and raging when the one in Turkey failed. Geert Wilders said it was a great dissapointment that the coup failed. This is the leader of the second largest party of Netherlands.

And to cover their loss, they said "Oh Erdogan planned the whole thing".

Evil, just pure evil.

Globalism has largely benefited wealthy people in the west, or at the very least, the upper-middle-class. For the working class, it has meant lost jobs and industries.

As for Europeans being the most Xenophobic people, that is nonsense. It is the Europeans who allowed hundreds of thousands of war refugees and economic migrants into their countries over the last 10 years (and many before that). Most Europeans are very welcoming of immigrants, and when I lived in Germany, there was a large Turkish population there. This doesn't mean the natives always get along with the immigrants, or that there are no problems, but a Xenophobic people wouldn't let immigrants in to begin with.

You say "when Muslims fight back, they are either extremists or terrorists". I'm not sure what you mean by that--because it seems to me, there is this narrative that gets spun by violent Islamists that involves justifying attacks against civilians in the west because Israel launched a rocket into Gaza, or the US air force bombed an ISIS installation in Syria.

Trying to tell the Swedish people that running over school children with a truck is somehow justified because of US attacks on Muslims in Syria makes Muslims look very bad in western eyes. Likewise, trying to claim moral high ground after the New Zealand attacks while virtually ignoring previous attacks like the 2015 Paris attacks (130 dead), or Orlando shootings (49 dead), or worse, waving these things away as "understandable blow back for US crimes", causes westerners to view Muslims with suspicion.

So if "fighting back" involves nightclub shootings, shooting people on trains (which happened today), or bombings, yes, you will be labeled as a terrorist, and rightfully so. You will join the ranks of this barabarian in New Zealand, who is also a terrorist.

 

[Serinity]

Globalism has largely benefited wealthy people in the west, or at the very least, the upper-middle-class. For the working class, it has meant lost jobs and industries.

As for Europeans being the most Xenophobic people, that is nonsense. It is the Europeans who allowed hundreds of thousands of war refugees and economic migrants into their countries over the last 10 years (and many before that). Most Europeans are very welcoming of immigrants, and when I lived in Germany, there was a large Turkish population there. This doesn't mean the natives always get along with the immigrants, or that there are no problems, but a Xenophobic people wouldn't let immigrants in to begin with.

You say "when Muslims fight back, they are either extremists or terrorists". I'm not sure what you mean by that--because it seems to me, there is this narrative that gets spun by violent Islamists that involves justifying attacks against civilians in the west because Israel launched a rocket into Gaza, or the US air force bombed an ISIS installation in Syria.

Trying to tell the Swedish people that running over school children with a truck is somehow justified because of US attacks on Muslims in Syria makes Muslims look very bad in western eyes. Likewise, trying to claim moral high ground after the New Zealand attacks while virtually ignoring previous attacks like the 2015 Paris attacks (130 dead), or Orlando shootings (49 dead), or worse, waving these things away as "understandable blow back for US crimes", causes westerners to view Muslims with suspicion.

So if "fighting back" involves nightclub shootings, shooting people on trains (which happened today), or bombings, yes, you will be labeled as a terrorist, and rightfully so. You will join the ranks of this barabarian in New Zealand, who is also a terrorist.

Ofc we should not kill civilians

Problem is, the alt right terrorists on the kafir side, and the Muslim terrorists on the muslim side.

And then us civilians caught in the crossfire.

Kafirs like him need to be shot on sight, no questions asked.

Ramping up security around masjids + making escape routes should be a priority

Lets call a terrorist a terrorist

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

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[CuriousonTruth]

Globalism has largely benefited wealthy people in the west, or at the very least, the upper-middle-class. For the working class, it has meant lost jobs and industries.

As for Europeans being the most Xenophobic people, that is nonsense. It is the Europeans who allowed hundreds of thousands of war refugees and economic migrants into their countries over the last 10 years (and many before that). Most Europeans are very welcoming of immigrants, and when I lived in Germany, there was a large Turkish population there. This doesn't mean the natives always get along with the immigrants, or that there are no problems, but a Xenophobic people wouldn't let immigrants in to begin with.

You say "when Muslims fight back, they are either extremists or terrorists". I'm not sure what you mean by that--because it seems to me, there is this narrative that gets spun by violent Islamists that involves justifying attacks against civilians in the west because Israel launched a rocket into Gaza, or the US air force bombed an ISIS installation in Syria.

Trying to tell the Swedish people that running over school children with a truck is somehow justified because of US attacks on Muslims in Syria makes Muslims look very bad in western eyes. Likewise, trying to claim moral high ground after the New Zealand attacks while virtually ignoring previous attacks like the 2015 Paris attacks (130 dead), or Orlando shootings (49 dead), or worse, waving these things away as "understandable blow back for US crimes", causes westerners to view Muslims with suspicion.

So if "fighting back" involves nightclub shootings, shooting people on trains (which happened today), or bombings, yes, you will be labeled as a terrorist, and rightfully so. You will join the ranks of this barabarian in New Zealand, who is also a terrorist.

Correction: Western governements allowed cheap migrants to come into Europe, not the people. And this is after 1900s, before that Europeans never tolerated any minority (Reconquista is an example), or Russia wiping out Siberians and Tatars. Islamic empires already had multi-racial society 1000 years ago. Only Ummayads were ethnocentric. Abbasids, Ottomans were extremely diverse.

As for refugees so what? Ottomans had taken tens of thousands of Moorish, Jewish, Gypsy, Circassian/Caucasian mountain refugees. Even though Ottomans and Poland were sworn enemies, when Polish refugees came after Russia defeated PLC, they were allowed in. Ottomans gave a large sum of money to Ireland to help against the famine. I don't see Irish or Poles ever thanking muslims for it. Infact Poles hate Islam and Turks most in Europe.

Why do you keep bringing up ISIS? I clearly mentioned Erdogan, FIS in Algeria, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Iran, etc. By fighting back, it means kicking out atheism, homosexuality, Western sexual degeneracy and other disgusting vices, liberalism, secularism, etc. FIS was elected to remove French culture from Algeria by the people, French government ordered the "Algerian" army to coup resulting in a long civil war where thousands upon thousands died.

 

[Silas]

Ofc we should not kill civilians

Problem is, the alt right terrorists on the kafir side, and the Muslim terrorists on the muslim side.

And then us civilians caught in the crossfire.

Kafirs like him need to be shot on sight, no questions asked.

Ramping up security around masjids + making escape routes should be a priority

Lets call a terrorist a terrorist

saying the Muslim terrorists are on the Muslim side is like saying the Crusaders, who butchered both Muslims and Christians as they raped and pillaged their way through the Byzantine Empire and then the Holy Land, were on the "Christian side".

make no mistake: the guys who run over schoolchildren with trucks and the goon who shot the people Zealand will be sent to the same place by God.

 

[alfaqir]

Former Chechen jihadi and ISIS suspect carries out terror attack!!!:

A local businessman told BBC Turkish that the suspect had previously fought in Russia's republic of Chechnya.

Jihadist groups, including those aligned with the Islamic State (IS) group, have long operated in the region.

"He was arrested because of his connections with [IS] but released later," the businessman told the BBC.


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47615231

He was captured now alhamdulillah.

There are no ifs, buts and excuses for these kind of terrorists. I don't know what was in his mind. I had been to Utrecht years ago, it has a large flourishing muslim community, big mosques, muslim businesses etc whatever you want. Now he not only took the life of three innocents, he made the life harder for all people there, both muslims and non-muslims. And of course he contributed to Wilders' islamophobic political campaign too...

 

[Serinity]

saying the Muslim terrorists are on the Muslim side is like saying the Crusaders, who butchered both Muslims and Christians as they raped and pillaged their way through the Byzantine Empire and then the Holy Land, were on the "Christian side".

make no mistake: the guys who run over schoolchildren with trucks and the goon who shot the people Zealand will be sent to the same place by God.

Indeed. I'd say the gravity of evil that NZ terrorist did against muslims, targeting muslims, is as grave and as ruthless as 9/11.. Like a 9/11 against muslims.

Both have suffered. We need to implement Islamic Law in Muslim Land, and not let anyone terrorise anyone

Be they muslim or not, be it against muslims, like in NZ, OR against kuffar (like in 9/11)

Make no mistake, the terror attack on Muslims in Masajid, was planned to target muslims- it was a deliberate calculated cold hearted attack on Muslims at large.

And to inspire copy cat attacka, we ahould not over react. Dying is not something we fear.

Think on the bright side: they died in a masjid, martyred, and therefore are shaheed. In akhira sense, there is no loss.

 

[سيف الله]

Salaam

terror attack by muslim scumbag turk in netherlands: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-utrecht-tram/ is this what you wanted @Serinity ????? you Islamists never fail to amaze me

Learn some self restraint and self control before you go of on a demented rant, this is an Islamic forum remember?

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Former Chechen jihadi and ISIS suspect carries out terror attack!!!:

A local businessman told BBC Turkish that the suspect had previously fought in Russia's republic of Chechnya.

Jihadist groups, including those aligned with the Islamic State (IS) group, have long operated in the region.

"He was arrested because of his connections with [IS] but released later," the businessman told the BBC.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47615231

There is much confusion over his motivations, let the dust clear before we jump to conclusions.

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[anatolian]

Excuse me..Speculating over one incident is pointless to me. A "lot" more people including Muslims are dying each day because of several other types, including state based, terrorism all over the world. This New Zealander beast is a just a product of this world wide terror mentality. We cant blame it on the Christian far-right or white nationalism or anything else that seems to fit it just as they cant blame Islam for 9/11. I dont know who or what is causing that but the World is going on this way. Only mercy can change it.