Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

[MENTION=241]Ahmed[/MENTION] Muslims organized 9/11 to kill over 3,000 innocent people so whatever America and West is doing is right. Right? Your thinking is neither different from extreme white nationalists nor different from Al-Qaida and ISIS, I am sorry to say that.

Dont be so narrow minded and label all white nationalists as bad. You apparnatlty neither watched the interview posted by @fschmidtnor did you watch short clips I referred to so we can learn from out mistakes and improve to give an effective Dawah. Anyways I am not going to argue with you. You are responsible for your own deeds/actions.

One more video below for you to see how another white nationalist converted to Islam, proving that not all white nationalists are bad.
https://youtu.be/pQG-oIMSbco
 
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[MENTION=241]Ahmed[/MENTION] Muslims organized 9/11 to kill over 3,000 innocent people so whatever America and West is doing is right. Right? Your thinking is neither different from extreme white nationalists nor different from Al-Qaida and ISIS, I am sorry to say that.

Dont be so narrow minded and label all white nationalists as bad. You apparnatlty neither watched the interview posted by @fschmidtnor did you watch short clips I referred to so we can learn from out mistakes and improve to give an effective Dawah. Anyways I am not going to argue with you. You are responsible for your own deeds/actions.

One more video below for you to see how another white nationalist converted to Islam, proving that not all white nationalists are bad.
https://youtu.be/pQG-oIMSbco
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No brother I didn't say whatever Muslims do in response is right. Obviously there needs to be a measured response that is appropriate. Scum need to be treated as such and kept in their places so they don't get deluded as to the unacceptable nature of their evil.

Far right groups have very little or no support in the West and that's because people in general, the media and the politicians alike alway treat them like the crazy scum that they are. Their ideology is one of a crazy anti-semetic conspiracy theory and of hate for their fellow mankind so Dialoguing with them as if their ideology was valid or reasonable is not an option.

We have Converts to Islam from all walks of life and thats because our dawah is for everyone: just like the sahaba (ra) kept up the dawah amidst fighting and being harsh with the Makkah kuffar, but the dawah consisted of the Islamic message and not ideological debates
 
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PS: And that man in the video, his turning point towards Islam was, when his little daughter looked at him as though he was a raving mad looney :). That's what hits home for these guys, treating them for the loonies that they are :)
 
Ahmed. said:
We have Converts to Islam from all walks of life and thats because our dawah is for everyone: just like the sahaba (ra) kept up the dawah amidst fighting and being harsh with the Makkah kuffar, but the dawah consisted of the Islamic message and not ideological debates
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I agree that our Dawah shall be for EVERYONE and it means everyone.

Its a privilege that some of us are born as Muslims but this means we got some advantage over others. Imagine, if we are to be born as a non-Muslim, who knows what our fate would have been? Allah chose us to be the Muslims and it comes with huge responsibility. That responsibility is to spread the Islam in the best possible way. We know that we have to be the best of human kind because Allah chose us to be Muslims. Let's not judge people as only Allah knows what is in their hearts and Allah guides whom He wills.
 
Ahmed. said:
PS: And that man in the video, his turning point towards Islam was, when his little daughter looked at him as though he was a raving mad looney :). That's what hits home for these guys, treating them for the loonies that they are :)
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Point is that this guy was guided to Islam because Allah opened his heart towards Islam. There must be something good in his heart which Allah saw and blessed him with the gift of Islam. Let's keep working together to give an effective Dawah without judging people and without any expectations. Our job is only to remind people, we should not push and force people in any way.

Quran says:

So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder.
You are not over them a controller. [Quran 88,21-22]
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This is what Allah says to Prophet Muhammad PBUH then who are we to force our belief on others. Giving Dawah is not an easy job. It requires a lot of patience. But trust me it works and benefits us more than others. When we give Dawah, the belief in hereafter is not just left as a belief. It becomes reality. We can literally imagine ourselves being resurrected and standing in front of Allah while praying. When we go to sleep, we can literally feel ourselves in the darkness of the grave where no one is going to help us but our good actions done purely for the pleasure of Allah (SWT).
May Allah SWT give us patience and ability to deliver the message of Islam to others in the best way possible. Ameen!
May Allah help us to save others from disbelief and helps us save ourselves and our families from the punishment of grave and eternal fire! Ameen!
 
An anti-islamic and anti-muslim sentiment acompannies every white nationalism as far as I have realized. If a white nationalist is able to explain himself in a peaceful manner I can accept that but I have yet to seen. Once we had a Muslim white nationalist member in the forum but his ideas were also so weired.
 
Any reaction to this sentence? Why it took them almost 2 years to reach this sentence ( life in prison without parole)? Is it fair to have a life sentence and let this monster live on tax payers money? What example we want to setup for other extremists like him? Would not an execution in public make more sense in this case?​
 
'Abdullah said:
51 people were killed. Suppose he lives another 50 years, that's like an year per life
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Well, the Muslims will get justice on Judgement Day. If the doesn't submit to Allah before then, he will get a worse punishment than was any human can give him. We should know not to ever rely on a government based on secular man made laws.
 
Avis said:
Well, the Muslims will get justice on Judgement Day. If the doesn't submit to Allah before then, he will get a worse punishment than was any human can give him. We should know not to ever rely on a government based on secular man made laws.
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The purpose of my posts was to show that how man made law can never provide justice and in fact supports corruption in the society but one needs to have a deeper insight into our Deen to see it.
I was also thinking that perhaps Allah is giving this guy another chance to think and reflect while in prison. Allah is Merciful and gives everyone plenty of chances to turn back on the straight path - this reminds of a Hadith:

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
There was a person before you who had killed ninety-nine persons and then made an inquiry about the learned persons of the world (who could show him the way to salvation). He was directed to a monk. He came to him and told him that he had killed ninety-nine persons and asked him whether there was any scope for his repentance to be accepted. He said: No. He killed him also and thus completed one hundred. He then asked about the learned persons of the earth and he was directed to a scholar, and he told him that he had killed one hundred persons and asked him whether there was any scope for his repentance to be accepted. He said: Yes; what stands between you and the repentance? You better go to such and such land; there are people devoted to prayer and worship and you also worship along with them and do not come to the land of yours since it was an evil land (for you). So he went away and he had hardly covered half the distance when death came to him and there was a dispute between the angels of mercy and the angels of punishment. The angels of mercy said: This man has come as a penitant and remorseful to Allah and the angels of punishment said: He has done no good at all. Then there came another angel in the form of a human being in order to decide between them. He said: You measure the land to which he has drawn near. They measured it and found him nearer to the land where he intended to go (the land of piety), and so the angels of mercy took possession of it. Qatada said that Hasan told him that it was said to them that as death approached him, he crawled upon his chest (and managed) to slip in the land of mercy.
حَدَّثَنَا مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى، وَمُحَمَّدُ بْنُ بَشَّارٍ، - وَاللَّفْظُ لاِبْنِ الْمُثَنَّى - قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا مُعَاذُ بْنُ هِشَامٍ، حَدَّثَنِي أَبِي، عَنْ قَتَادَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي الصِّدِّيقِ، عَنْ أَبِي سَعِيدٍ الْخُدْرِيِّ، أَنَّ نَبِيَّ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم قَالَ ‏ "‏ كَانَ فِيمَنْ كَانَ قَبْلَكُمْ رَجُلٌ قَتَلَ تِسْعَةً وَتِسْعِينَ نَفْسًا فَسَأَلَ عَنْ أَعْلَمِ أَهْلِ الأَرْضِ فَدُلَّ عَلَى رَاهِبٍ فَأَتَاهُ فَقَالَ إِنَّهُ قَتَلَ تِسْعَةً وَتِسْعِينَ نَفْسًا فَهَلْ لَهُ مِنَ تَوْبَةٍ فَقَالَ لاَ ‏.‏ فَقَتَلَهُ فَكَمَّلَ بِهِ مِائَةً ثُمَّ سَأَلَ عَنْ أَعْلَمِ أَهْلِ الأَرْضِ فَدُلَّ عَلَى رَجُلٍ عَالِمٍ فَقَالَ إِنَّهُ قَتَلَ مِائَةَ نَفْسٍ فَهَلْ لَهُ مِنْ تَوْبَةٍ فَقَالَ نَعَمْ وَمَنْ يَحُولُ بَيْنَهُ وَبَيْنَ التَّوْبَةِ انْطَلِقْ إِلَى أَرْضِ كَذَا وَكَذَا فَإِنَّ بِهَا أُنَاسًا يَعْبُدُونَ اللَّهَ فَاعْبُدِ اللَّهَ مَعَهُمْ وَلاَ تَرْجِعْ إِلَى أَرْضِكَ فَإِنَّهَا أَرْضُ سَوْءٍ ‏.‏ فَانْطَلَقَ حَتَّى إِذَا نَصَفَ الطَّرِيقَ أَتَاهُ الْمَوْتُ فَاخْتَصَمَتْ فِيهِ مَلاَئِكَةُ الرَّحْمَةِ وَمَلاَئِكَةُ الْعَذَابِ فَقَالَتْ مَلاَئِكَةُ الرَّحْمَةِ جَاءَ تَائِبًا مُقْبِلاً بِقَلْبِهِ إِلَى اللَّهِ ‏.‏ وَقَالَتْ مَلاَئِكَةُ الْعَذَابِ إِنَّهُ لَمْ يَعْمَلْ خَيْرًا قَطُّ ‏.‏ فَأَتَاهُمْ مَلَكٌ فِي صُورَةِ آدَمِيٍّ فَجَعَلُوهُ بَيْنَهُمْ فَقَالَ قِيسُوا مَا بَيْنَ الأَرْضَيْنِ فَإِلَى أَيَّتِهِمَا كَانَ أَدْنَى فَهُوَ لَهُ ‏.‏ فَقَاسُوهُ فَوَجَدُوهُ أَدْنَى إِلَى الأَرْضِ الَّتِي أَرَادَ فَقَبَضَتْهُ مَلاَئِكَةُ الرَّحْمَةِ ‏"‏ ‏.‏ قَالَ قَتَادَةُ فَقَالَ الْحَسَنُ ذُكِرَ لَنَا أَنَّهُ لَمَّا أَتَاهُ الْمَوْتُ نَأَى بِصَدْرِهِ ‏.‏
Reference : Sahih Muslim 2766 a
In-book reference : Book 50, Hadith 54
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 37, Hadith 6662
https://sunnah.com/muslim/50/54

If one still hates Islam then he is to blame none but himself.
 
Related news : Scott Morrison has spoken to his New Zealand counterpart, Jacinda Ardern, about the possibility of the Christchurch gunman serving his lifetime prison sentence in Australia.

 

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