Hamza Asadullah
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My brother as i have also explained in my last post in response to your post the madhabs of the 4 imaams did not stop after they had died but has continued to be worked on and developed using proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah. So if you were to give me one opinion with proofs from Qur'an and Sunnah then i can give you another opinion of another imaam also from Qur'an and Sunnah. So therefore this statement of yours is not valid because the fiqhi opnions of the four imams which have been developed for over a thousand years by some of the greatest scholars of our times all have proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah.
Again there is NO such thing as "one right way" for all four of the fiqhi opinions of the imaams are going in the right direction but in slightly different angles using the Qur'an and Sunnah. All four have opinions which have been approved by the greatest scholars for over a thousand years. Non of the examples you gave proved anything because all those examples have proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah but as you have mentioned you are a humble student as am i so just because we have not seen the proofs for the other opinions or do not have adequate knowledge to know about those opnions then does that mean the other opinions are any less valid? Definatley not.
Of course they are human for they were the most humble of people and that is why they have been quoted as saying that if they had made any errors then leave that opinion and go with that which is valid or closer to the truth. They had to say this because they were not arrogant that they would tell others to follow their opinion and not anyone elses. Scholars do not take this stance because they know that other opinions are also valid.
For example there was a meeting between Imaam Maalik and Imaam Abu Hanifa May Allahs mercy be on both. Out of that meeting both imaams discussed certain topics and after the meeting both imaams left having a different perspective on certain topics but still maintained their core opinions on certain matters and this is proof that the differences of opinions between the imaams were accepted and were also highly respected between each other and scholars throughout the ages have also taken this stance of accepting and respecting differences of opinion because in fiqh there is NO such thing as ONE opinion being more valid than the other because different scholars will see things in a different perspective according to their understanding of Qur'ana nd Sunnah.
Brother the only holes that were found were in your lack of basic understanding of matters pertaining to fiqh and deriving rulings from the Qur'an and Sunnah. You gave an example of Sheikh Albani's view on minute percentages of alcohol, but what he said was valid and proven by Qur'an and Sunnah so again this has exposed your flawed understanding of matters pertaining to fiqh. You also mentioned in Salaah where there is a difference of opinion regarding the pointing of the finger. Again both those opinions you have mentioned have proofs from Sunnah so what basis have you made the decision that one is valid over the other? You cannot just pick and choose what you desire when both are proven by the Sunnah.
Just because you may disagree with an opinion using emotional fallacy it does not mean that it is not valid or permissable. Again i repeat the imaams as well as learned scholars are entitled to their opinions if they have been derived with sound reasoning from the Qur'an and Sunnah and they will not be responsible for this on the day of judgement unless they were totally ignorant.
You are clearly picking and choosing whichever fatwa or opinion you want to accept and disregarding the other without any sound proof. You have just exposed the biggest danger of not sticking to one madhab and that is "fatwa shopping". You are clearly choosing the opinion you want to accept and disregarding the one you do not want to accept even though the other opinion has proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Why? Because you "think" it is less valid than the other opinion. Why? You just do. Is that a good enough reason to disregard a valid opinion which has proofs from the Qur'an or sunnah? Certainly not.
My brother this fatwa shopping is VERY dangerous and causes one to choose whichever opinion he wants according to his desires and whims. Therefore you must stop doing this. You cannot dsisregard an opinion just because you choose not to believe in it. This is the main reason for sticking to one madhab as you or i have no where near enough knowledge to derive rulings from the Qur'an or hadith for we need to have the level of knowledge of a mujtahid to be able to do so and are we anywhere near that level? Certainly not.
Is your understanding of fiqh greater than over a thousand years of scholars who have developed the four madhabs ever since? Of course not so me and you neing lay person are totally ignorant if we were to say this opinion is valid and that is not according to our lack of understanding and knowledge of Qur'an and hadith and deriving rulings from them in order to be able to differentiate between different opinions.
You post attacking following one madhab when you have proven here that you go "fatwa shopping" picking whichever opinion you choose to believe in not knowling anything about the proofs that all of the opinions have in the Qur'an and Sunnah but clearly you have picked them out of your desires. You are not a mujtahid to be picking and choosing whatever opinion you fancy.
Shaykh Said Ramadan al-Buti said:
"If ones child is seriously ill", he asks, "does one look for oneself in the medical textbooks for the proper diagnosis and cure, or should one go to a trained medical practitioner?" Clearly, sanity dictates the latter option. And so it is in matters of religion, which are in reality even more important and potentially hazardous: we would be both foolish and irresponsible to try to look through the sources ourselves, and become our own muftis. Instead, we should recognise that those who have spent their entire lives studying the Sunnah and the principles of law are far less likely to be mistaken than we are.
The fact that all the great scholars of the religion, including the hadith experts, themselves belonged to madhhabs, and required their students to belong to madhhabs, seems to have been forgotten.
These four madhabs are a blessing for this ummah and if it were not for these madhabs we would have had hundreds of thousands of madhabs and "mujtahid wannabes" all creating their own madhabs. These madhabs have been developed for over a thousand years by the greatest of scholars so who are you or me to question any opinion they hold when we lack even basic understanding of fiqh and Islam.
We must not be so arrogant to dismiss taqleed in these matters when it is a must for those of our level and without it we would be lost for Allah tells us in te Qur'an to refer to those who know and those who know are those with knolwedge. Therefore you must stop this practice of fatwa shopping and stop dismissing rulings just because you "think" it is not valid or you do not "prefer" it over the other opinions because you do not have anywhere near enough knowledge to be able to reach the level of a mujtahid to be able to do so.
Knowing a Qur’anic verse or hadith may be worlds apart from knowing the shari‘a ruling, unless one is a qualified mujtahid or is citing one. A madhhab is, after all, nothing more than a piece of precision equipment enabling us to see Islam with the maximum clarity possible. If we use our own devices, our amateurish attempts will inevitably distort our vision.
Imam al-Nawawi said in the introduction of al-Majmu (1/93):
It is incumbent on him-to adhere to a Madhab- and it applies to all those from the jurists and scholars of all the sciences who do not reach the rank of ijtihad. The reason for it is that if it was permissible to follow any Madhab he pleases it would lead to seeking out dispensations of the Madhab’s by following his desires. Thus he would choose between the lawful and prohibited, obligation and permissibility, and that would lead to the freeing of the leash of legal responsibility.
If you want to learn more about following madhabs then this link has some good links:
The Four Madhabs
http://www.themodernreligion.com/madhab.html
And Allah knows best in all matters
The 2 comments that you suggested I made were erroneous are not. Because I said I want to follow the madhab of the Prophet (saw) and his companions. There is nothing wrong with that? We all do. And secondly I said blind following is wrong, in the sense that when you find sufficient proof that goes against something then you must go with that proof.
My brother as i have also explained in my last post in response to your post the madhabs of the 4 imaams did not stop after they had died but has continued to be worked on and developed using proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah. So if you were to give me one opinion with proofs from Qur'an and Sunnah then i can give you another opinion of another imaam also from Qur'an and Sunnah. So therefore this statement of yours is not valid because the fiqhi opnions of the four imams which have been developed for over a thousand years by some of the greatest scholars of our times all have proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah.
Again there is NO such thing as "one right way" for all four of the fiqhi opinions of the imaams are going in the right direction but in slightly different angles using the Qur'an and Sunnah. All four have opinions which have been approved by the greatest scholars for over a thousand years. Non of the examples you gave proved anything because all those examples have proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah but as you have mentioned you are a humble student as am i so just because we have not seen the proofs for the other opinions or do not have adequate knowledge to know about those opnions then does that mean the other opinions are any less valid? Definatley not.
I totally understand what you saying though about the blind following issue, and it is very well said I must say, and I agree fully. But I will repeat to emphasize, by blind following I mean when your imaam makes a mistake and the truth is presented to you, you MUST go with the truth. And what you simply wrote in that long essay there is very very erroneous if I understood correctly. But before I have a go at you I am going to ask you a question, Are you implying these Imaams do not make mistakes? Are they not human?
Of course they are human for they were the most humble of people and that is why they have been quoted as saying that if they had made any errors then leave that opinion and go with that which is valid or closer to the truth. They had to say this because they were not arrogant that they would tell others to follow their opinion and not anyone elses. Scholars do not take this stance because they know that other opinions are also valid.
For example there was a meeting between Imaam Maalik and Imaam Abu Hanifa May Allahs mercy be on both. Out of that meeting both imaams discussed certain topics and after the meeting both imaams left having a different perspective on certain topics but still maintained their core opinions on certain matters and this is proof that the differences of opinions between the imaams were accepted and were also highly respected between each other and scholars throughout the ages have also taken this stance of accepting and respecting differences of opinion because in fiqh there is NO such thing as ONE opinion being more valid than the other because different scholars will see things in a different perspective according to their understanding of Qur'ana nd Sunnah.
Akhi whether you were offended by the holes I presented in the madhabs or not, whether I was right about them being wrong or not. Whether the opinions I pointed out were wrong or not. The point I was simply trying to portray is that EVERYONE makes mistakes, no one is perfect exept The Prophet Mohammad (saw). You saying their opinions are valid because they thought it was valid doesn't make it so. Sure without a shadow of a doubt they wouldn''t have given a fatwa on something if they didn't think it was right now would they?? In their opinion they are right, but it doesn't mean that single thing they say is right and set in stone. Thats all I am saying. What if you are a hanafi, and you find a "possible mistake" (I won't give an example now, I might get shot down again, lol) then are you saying that you are not allowed to take a hanbali opinion on something? I agree the Prophet Mohammad (saw) did certain things differently, thats why there are certain minor differences, but some differences are like total 180 degrees differences, like the total oposite opinions. So you cannot say He (saw) did both, so he (saw) must have done one. And tbh akhi I have explained this in my first or second post on how and why the differences occurred, and how the imaams themselves changed their opinions (imaam shaafi) and how the very best students of imaam abu hanifah changed their prayer style after they moved to a different country. I am not going to repeat myself (even though I kind of did there, please be kind enough to read what I have already said).
And I do not blind follow a scholar to an extreme extent where whatever he says I believe it is set in 10000000% stone, and it cannot change. To combat this I follow and learn and read books of many many credible scholars. But like I said I do not blindly follow one or a group... For example one of the most credible muhadith of recent times Sheikh Al Albani, I respect his opinions and is one of the ones I can truly trust. But there are some fatwa or opinions that I do not agree with because I have found or learnt of a better and stronger proof for the contrary. E.g. He said that if alcohol is in a drink such as coke, and that the alcohol amount is very very minute so much so that if it was drank on a larger scale and you do not get drunk of it then that is permissable and not haram. I do not agree with this even though my sheikh said so. He also emphasized the fact that we MUST call ourselves salafi (to differentiate from deviancy because everyone calls themselves ahlul sunnah even the hardcore sufis), but again I do not agree with this even though my sheikh said so. He also said that you move your finger while sitting in prayer, and even though his point is valid (saheeh proof) I go with the opinion that you keep the finger up but do not move it (saheeh hadith in Muslim).
Brother the only holes that were found were in your lack of basic understanding of matters pertaining to fiqh and deriving rulings from the Qur'an and Sunnah. You gave an example of Sheikh Albani's view on minute percentages of alcohol, but what he said was valid and proven by Qur'an and Sunnah so again this has exposed your flawed understanding of matters pertaining to fiqh. You also mentioned in Salaah where there is a difference of opinion regarding the pointing of the finger. Again both those opinions you have mentioned have proofs from Sunnah so what basis have you made the decision that one is valid over the other? You cannot just pick and choose what you desire when both are proven by the Sunnah.
Just because you may disagree with an opinion using emotional fallacy it does not mean that it is not valid or permissable. Again i repeat the imaams as well as learned scholars are entitled to their opinions if they have been derived with sound reasoning from the Qur'an and Sunnah and they will not be responsible for this on the day of judgement unless they were totally ignorant.
You are clearly picking and choosing whichever fatwa or opinion you want to accept and disregarding the other without any sound proof. You have just exposed the biggest danger of not sticking to one madhab and that is "fatwa shopping". You are clearly choosing the opinion you want to accept and disregarding the one you do not want to accept even though the other opinion has proofs from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Why? Because you "think" it is less valid than the other opinion. Why? You just do. Is that a good enough reason to disregard a valid opinion which has proofs from the Qur'an or sunnah? Certainly not.
My brother this fatwa shopping is VERY dangerous and causes one to choose whichever opinion he wants according to his desires and whims. Therefore you must stop doing this. You cannot dsisregard an opinion just because you choose not to believe in it. This is the main reason for sticking to one madhab as you or i have no where near enough knowledge to derive rulings from the Qur'an or hadith for we need to have the level of knowledge of a mujtahid to be able to do so and are we anywhere near that level? Certainly not.
Is your understanding of fiqh greater than over a thousand years of scholars who have developed the four madhabs ever since? Of course not so me and you neing lay person are totally ignorant if we were to say this opinion is valid and that is not according to our lack of understanding and knowledge of Qur'an and hadith and deriving rulings from them in order to be able to differentiate between different opinions.
You post attacking following one madhab when you have proven here that you go "fatwa shopping" picking whichever opinion you choose to believe in not knowling anything about the proofs that all of the opinions have in the Qur'an and Sunnah but clearly you have picked them out of your desires. You are not a mujtahid to be picking and choosing whatever opinion you fancy.
Shaykh Said Ramadan al-Buti said:
"If ones child is seriously ill", he asks, "does one look for oneself in the medical textbooks for the proper diagnosis and cure, or should one go to a trained medical practitioner?" Clearly, sanity dictates the latter option. And so it is in matters of religion, which are in reality even more important and potentially hazardous: we would be both foolish and irresponsible to try to look through the sources ourselves, and become our own muftis. Instead, we should recognise that those who have spent their entire lives studying the Sunnah and the principles of law are far less likely to be mistaken than we are.
The fact that all the great scholars of the religion, including the hadith experts, themselves belonged to madhhabs, and required their students to belong to madhhabs, seems to have been forgotten.
These four madhabs are a blessing for this ummah and if it were not for these madhabs we would have had hundreds of thousands of madhabs and "mujtahid wannabes" all creating their own madhabs. These madhabs have been developed for over a thousand years by the greatest of scholars so who are you or me to question any opinion they hold when we lack even basic understanding of fiqh and Islam.
We must not be so arrogant to dismiss taqleed in these matters when it is a must for those of our level and without it we would be lost for Allah tells us in te Qur'an to refer to those who know and those who know are those with knolwedge. Therefore you must stop this practice of fatwa shopping and stop dismissing rulings just because you "think" it is not valid or you do not "prefer" it over the other opinions because you do not have anywhere near enough knowledge to be able to reach the level of a mujtahid to be able to do so.
Knowing a Qur’anic verse or hadith may be worlds apart from knowing the shari‘a ruling, unless one is a qualified mujtahid or is citing one. A madhhab is, after all, nothing more than a piece of precision equipment enabling us to see Islam with the maximum clarity possible. If we use our own devices, our amateurish attempts will inevitably distort our vision.
Imam al-Nawawi said in the introduction of al-Majmu (1/93):
It is incumbent on him-to adhere to a Madhab- and it applies to all those from the jurists and scholars of all the sciences who do not reach the rank of ijtihad. The reason for it is that if it was permissible to follow any Madhab he pleases it would lead to seeking out dispensations of the Madhab’s by following his desires. Thus he would choose between the lawful and prohibited, obligation and permissibility, and that would lead to the freeing of the leash of legal responsibility.
If you want to learn more about following madhabs then this link has some good links:
The Four Madhabs
http://www.themodernreligion.com/madhab.html
And Allah knows best in all matters