Music Haram or Not

[DaSangarTalib]

ppl now u knw that not only music is not allowed cuz dem uda things nasidees (hope i splt it ryt) they aint allowed too...

if am wrng plz let me knw

take care

nasheeds are allowed as long as they dont have musical instruments in, and dont give out a bad message like you see in some of the western music..and also dont give out an un-islamic message

 

[Kittygyal]

bt wot abwt if sum ov da music dn't gve a bad message?

take care

 

[snakelegs]

Also, just saying Music is haram doesn't make it so. I don't care what the sheiks have to say on this, if it is written in the Quran and/or Sunnah then I will follow it, otherwise, I do as I wish.

this seems a rational approach.
yes, music definitely affects you. i've been listening to practically nothing but qawwalis by nusrat fateh ali khan for the last 8 years. it makes me feel closer to God than anything else. when i first heard it, it felt like coming home. so all day long, i listen to hamds, naats and manqabats and i feel great love.
not too bad for a kaffir, huh?

 

[alishba]

iv heard sum people say it is haraam depeneding on hw u interperet it

 

[alishba]

wot are the punishments for listening to music do you know

 

[DaSangarTalib]

this seems a rational approach.
yes, music definitely affects you. i've been listening to practically nothing but qawwalis by nusrat fateh ali khan for the last 8 years. it makes me feel closer to God than anything else. when i first heard it, it felt like coming home. so all day long, i listen to hamds, naats and manqabats and i feel great love.
not too bad for a kaffir, huh?

WOAAH!

but the main thing is musical instruments in Islam is not allowed and that isnt just the view of scholars..it is Islam..our prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said it himself...so if this is forbidden then anything with instruments in is forbidden...e.g. All pop music, rock etc...nasheeds is our alternative, but even some nasheeds have instuments in, which is also then not allowed...so we are only allowed to listen to just the vocals, but of course if its given out a good message, and an islamic one too

 

[aamirsaab]

bt wot abwt if sum ov da music dn't gve a bad message?

take care

Exactly! You can't allow islamic music and not allow non-islamic music - that's like saying all apples grown by a kafir are haram because they may be poisoned but those that are grown by muslims are halal.

From what I have gathered, over many years of knowledge and some of these threads, the only reason why non-islamic music is considered Haram is due to the fact that it can keep you away from your namaz etc. However, all it takes is a little self control.

Another reason why music is considered haram, again from what I know of, is due to bad messages etc. Ok I agree with you on this to some extent, but there are songs that contain no hidden and/or bad messages - yet these are still considered haram and nasheeds are not?

Finally, we have the instrumental argument which states that if it has instruments used in it, it is haram. Which therefore leaves nasheeds left in the picture (Well, certain ones at least). But, by using previous arguments, nasheeds are also not allowed as they are still a form of music. Unless of course the exact ruling is: No songs and no music are allowed. If that is the case, fine - there is no argument.

What we need less of is people's opinions on music and more of evidence (or should I say, reasons/explanations) from the Quran and Sunnah (and hadith) - I have stated this numerous times before.

Edit:

WOAAH!

but the main thing is musical instruments in Islam is not allowed and that isnt just the view of scholars..it is Islam..our prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said it himself...so if this is forbidden then anything with instruments in is forbidden...e.g. All pop music, rock etc...nasheeds is our alternative, but even some nasheeds have instuments in, which is also then not allowed...so we are only allowed to listen to just the vocals, but of course if its given out a good message, and an islamic one too

Thank you, this is exactly the kind of reply I was looking for: it answers all of my questions with evidence from the Sunnah (actions of the prophet [saw]). Again, thank you.

 

[Ghazi]

Salaam

This is to the brothers and sisters who tend to debate this subject.

An-Nu'man Ibn Bashir(MYALLAHBEPLEASEDWITHHIM) said "I heard Allah's Messenger(PBUH) say "Both legal and illegal matters are palin but in between them there are doubtful (Unclear) things, and most people have no knowladge about them. So, whoever saves himself from these doubtful (unclear) things, he saves his religion and his honour, and whoever indulges in these doubtful (unclear) things is like a shapherd who grazes (his animals) near the Hima ( private pasture) of someone else, and it any moment he is liable to get into it. (O people!) Beware! Every king has Hima and the Hima of allah on earth is what He has made illegal (Forbidden). Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body, if it becomes good (Reformed), the whole body will be good but if it gets spolit the whole body will be spolit and that is the Heart

[Collected by Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

THE POINT OF THE ABOVE HADITH IS WHEN IN DOUBT STAY AWAY FROM IT AND YOU'LL SAVE YOURSELF ALOT OF TROUBLE.

 

[*LJ*]

Salaam

This is to the brothers and sisters who tend to debate this subject.

An-Nu'man Ibn Bashir(MYALLAHBEPLEASEDWITHHIM) said "I heard Allah's Messenger(PBUH) say "Both legal and illegal matters are palin but in between them there are doubtful (Unclear) things, and most people have no knowladge about them. So, whoever saves himself from these doubtful (unclear) things, he saves his religion and his honour, and whoever indulges in these doubtful (unclear) things is like a shapherd who grazes (his animals) near the Hima ( private pasture) of someone else, and it any moment he is liable to get into it. (O people!) Beware! Every king has Hima and the Hima of allah on earth is what He has made illegal (Forbidden). Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body, if it becomes good (Reformed), the whole body will be good but if it gets spolit the whole body will be spolit and that is the Heart

[Collected by Al-Bukhari and Muslim]

THE POINT OF THE ABOVE HADITH IS WHEN IN DOUBT STAY AWAY FROM IT AND YOU'LL SAVE YOURSELF ALOT OF TROUBLE.

Ameen!

Can say again that this is a FIQH DISCUSSION and against forum rules. Hope someone will listen to me...

May Allah guide us all,
Salam

 

[Ghazi]

Ameen!

Can say again that this is a FIQH DISCUSSION and against forum rules. Hope someone will listen to me...

May Allah guide us all,
Salam

Salaam

I hear you, but people usually won't take your word for things and need proof I would've added ayats from the quran but I don't know any regarding music I just started my Tafseer classes.

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Out of interest, what does 'fiqh' mean and why is it against the rules to discuss matters that come under this heading?

Peace

 

[Shadow]

funny how we can ridicule the Laws of Sharia like this. its clear my friend that music is Haraam. there is no doubt in it. no doubt at all. if you think im wrong you can hold me accountable on the day of judgement Insha'allah. no one is confusing the youth. they should have a clear understanding of what is right and what is wrong.

i wasnt referring to those comments
i was referring to comments like

"i think music is halal because ive seen muslim rap artists" etc.

ps. no offense intended

 

[DaSangarTalib]

i wasnt referring to those comments
i was referring to comments like

"i think music is halal because ive seen muslim rap artists" etc.

ps. no offense intended

yea brother theres a lot a groups who are Muslim and make rap music..but their stuff include musical instruments, but at the same time they might be giving out a good islamic message, some do...and in that case from the way i see it thats still Haraam. if it was without the instruments then that would be OK like i said before lol..its quite simple we all know the difference between right and wrong, halal and haraam etc....but anways May Allah guide us all..Ameen!

take care brother

 

[ShoRoUk.h.]

woooooow ppl here are downright rude....sheesh
czgibson
is just tryign to help and give some ideas and u call it fitnah? plz its the muslim sheiks and scholars who dont even noe wat they a re saying (not all of them)

hes making teh disagreements NO its Muslims themselves so plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
dont play urself....

 

[Andaraawus]

As-Salamu alaykum
Imam Naw awi and Ibn Hajar strictly forbid it no matter the case but Imam Ghazali allows it if the music has good message ....theres difference with the scholars of guidance .....that means no britney!!!!

 

[Snowflake]

aamirsaab;201590]
We have gone in a circle: how can Islamic music be allowed and not non-islamic music, it doesn't make sense.

What do you mean by islamic music? There are so many styles.. e.g nasheeds, qawalis etc.. Hope u dont think it's ok to praise Allah in rock style, twanging an electric guitar :rollseyes

Czgibson is getting a lot of flak for no reason. Please stop doing this, he has done nothing apart from ask for an explanation with regards to the topic - if you have been somehow offended by any of his posts, go bash your skull against a wall.

Not guilty

Also, just saying Music is haram doesn't make it so. I don't care what the sheiks have to say on this, if it is written in the Quran and/or Sunnah then I will follow it, otherwise, I do as I wish

Forget shiekhs for a sec....The proof is the Prophet himself. Can you prove that the prophet allowed music or listened to it himself.

Also in the Quran can you show me where it says it's permissable? According to this translation it's haraam.

Ibn Mas`ud (may Allah be pleased with him) used to swear by Allah that the ayah "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah . . .” (Luqman: 6) referred to singing.

Agreed.. there are differently translations of this verse which someone is going to point out sooner or later. But there is still no verse saying music is permissable.

Don't 4get, the Quran does not tell us how many units rakaah we should pray for salah. The prophet told us that.

Then think...........if music was not haraam the prophet would've indulged in it himself and told us specifically that it's allowed. Infact he did no such thing and instead made it clear that music is haram.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Among my Ummah will be those who make permissible al-hira (adultery), silk, khamr and musical instruments . . .” (Reported by al-Bukhari; see al-Fath, 10/51).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “In this Ummah there will be punishments of earthquakes, showers of stones and deformity (transformation into animals); that will be when the people drink khamr, listen to female singers and play musical instruments.” (See al-Silsilah as-Saheehah, 2203; attributed to Ibn Abid-Dunya, Dhamm al-Malahi; the hadith was narrated by at-Tirmidhi, no. 2212).

You must remember that when you're saying music is not haraam, you're leading people to think that all forms of music is ok. Music is a powerful tool to play with human emotions. So if you want to listen to it then by all means feel free... but dont tell others it's not haram.

 

[aamirsaab]

What do you mean by islamic music? There are so many styles.. e.g nasheeds, qawalis etc.. Hope u dont think it's ok to praise Allah in rock style, twanging an electric guitar :rollseyes

I was refering to all of those, my point was why do some say that it is fine to listen to nasheeds but listening to pop etc is haram (even when there are no hidden messages etc)

Not guilty

Lucky you (!)

Forget shiekhs for a sec....The proof is the Prophet himself. Can you prove that the prophet allowed music or listened to it himself.

Also in the Quran can you show me where it says it's permissable? According to this translation it's haraam.

Ibn Mas`ud (may Allah be pleased with him) used to swear by Allah that the ayah "And of mankind is he who purchases idle talk to mislead (men) from the Path of Allah . . .” (Luqman: 6) referred to singing.

Agreed.. there are differently translations of this verse which someone is going to point out sooner or later. But there is still no verse saying music is permissable.

Don't 4get, the Quran does not tell us how many units rakaah we should pray for salah. The prophet told us that.

Then think...........if music was not haraam the prophet would've indulged in it himself and told us specifically that it's allowed. Infact he did no such thing and instead made it clear that music is haram.

I don't deny any of this, I was merely asking for an explanation. Which I got, so i'm happy . Also, I did say Quran AND sunnah - the actions of the prophet [saw] - when I said Sheik, I meant sheik, not the prophet [saw]

You must remember that when you're saying music is not haraam, you're leading people to think that all forms of music is ok. Music is a powerful tool to play with human emotions. So if you want to listen to it then by all means feel free... but dont tell others it's not haram.

Ah you see, you misunderstood my post, I never said it was halal or haram, I did say that some people were saying non-islamic music is and islamic music isn't, I then asked for an explanation which I waited 6 pages for.

 

[*LJ*]

Greetings,

Out of interest, what does 'fiqh' mean and why is it against the rules to discuss matters that come under this heading?

Peace

Salamu alaikum,

"In Islam, jurisprudence in Muslim Law, Sharia. The original meaning of the word is "understanding" or "knowledge."

http://i-cias.com/e.o/fiqh.htm

So its the understanding of certain rulings made by scholars but its usually talking about rules which scholars have different opinions on. These things are not... I don't want to use the word important, these things aren't 'essential' for you to be a Muslim and its usually ok for people to have differeing opinions but it can cause disagreements which I think is why we're nto supposed to discuss it and also we should have the views of scholars who have studied the Quran and Sunnah.

(Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I find it hard explaining this)

And Allah knows best,
Salam

 

[Andaraawus]

i forgot to say that it would be best to avoid music right? that would be the safest option ....dont you think?

 

[abdul Majid]

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