Muslim and gay...

[Musliman]

That is true, but that is also true for any personality disorder in any given population:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/294307-overview

.. no one for instance classifies Schizotypal personality disorder as a normal variant, or contends that it doesn't exist, rather that it occurs in a certain percentage and help is given should one seek it.

and I think that is all anyone can tell you here, is that, this is a deviation from the norm, and we recognize that you truly are feeling what you are feeling, but that you shouldn't give in to the desires of the lower self and choose what God has decreed for man-kind...

and I sincerely hope that you will..

Yeah, I can't agree more, may Allah bring peace upon you

could your surrounding have an influence or people who you associate??

I do not think so, as I have said, I found this about me in my very early childhood. And my surrounding cannot influence me, AFAIK, I am under the pression of openly imposing straight people only.

 

[Alpha Dude]

I agree in some way, but still, I cannot blindfold my eyes and suppose that everything is Ok, I must be realistic ! Sorry to say this but the comparison you gave doesn't match, this is what I want straight people to understand, sexual orientation is "never-changing" and I have always had a lust after males since my very early childhood !

Bro, I'm not saying blindfold yourself. I appreciate that it must be very hard for you.

The main point is: from birth, we are all conditioned (by schools, media etc) into believing that homosexuality is an 'alternative' to hetero and that it is in fact a defining feature. Islam says otherwise.

So, as a person with strong faith in Islam, never think of yourself as being different to others - a 'gay'. Just assume you have a very strong inclination toward doing a particular type of sin. Nothing more. Don't seek to group yourself.

I never unfold my sexual orientation publicly, I entered this board in order to seek help and moral support

I understand. The most important step (which I'm sure you've done/will continue to do) is to realise that sexual lust for the same sex and any action taken based on that lust will most definitely be a sin. Never try to make excuses, like 'Allah made me like this, thus if I do give in, it should be ok'. Be vigilant against shaytan. Don't mingle with other 'gay' inclined people who are the 'proud about it, shout about it' kind. They will say how homosexuality is all ok and inevitably shaytan will play on your insecurities and make you think it's ok too. Believe it or not, there's muslims out there who say it's ok to be (practicing) homosexuals. Know that this is completely unacceptable and never fall victim to such thinking.

May Allah make it easy for you bro, ameen.

 

[Musliman]

could your surrounding have an influence or people who you associate??

Furthermore, things have already been established, it is too late anyway...

 

[hanif_]

Gossamer Skye



Gossamer Skye:

Isn't this thread covered in the Health and Science under Homosexuality that is closed you hosted?

 

[جوري]

Re: Gossamer Skye

Gossamer Skye:

Isn't this thread covered in the Health and Science under Homosexuality that is closed you hosted?

No, I didn't host it, it was split off from another section where a non-muslim interjected an ongoing topic with his rant on homosexuality, where I was the first to reply, hence it appears I am the OP, but I am not..

 

[Musliman]

Bro, I'm not saying blindfold yourself. I appreciate that it must be very hard for you.

The main point is: from birth, we are all conditioned (by schools, media etc) into believing that homosexuality is an 'alternative' to hetero and that it is in fact a defining feature. Islam says otherwise.

So, as a person with strong faith in Islam, never think of yourself as being different to others - a 'gay'. Just assume you have a very strong inclination toward doing a particular type of sin. Nothing more. Don't seek to group yourself.

I understand. The most important step (which I'm sure you've done/will continue to do) is to realise that sexual lust for the same sex and any action taken based on that lust will most definitely be a sin. Never try to make excuses, like 'Allah made me like this, thus if I do give in, it should be ok'. Be vigilant against shaytan. Don't mingle with other 'gay' inclined people who are the 'proud about it, shout about it' kind. They will say how homosexuality is all ok and inevitably shaytan will play on your insecurities and make you think it's ok too. Believe it or not, there's muslims out there who say it's ok to be (practicing) homosexuals. Know that this is completely unacceptable and never fall victim to such thinking.

May Allah make it easy for you bro, ameen.

I see what you mean. And FYI, there are some well known figures such as Amina Wadud who was the first woman in America to lead khoutbat al Joumoua, and who also decided to legalize same-sex marriage in Islam. I have also seen a case (in the media) of male couple who married just by reading Fatiha in a Muslim country. But I am wholeheartedly against this, Islam must not be distorted !

 

[Alpha Dude]

I see what you mean. And FYI, there are some well known figures such as Amina Wadud who was the first woman in America to lead khoutbat al Joumoua, and who also decided to legalize same-sex marriage in Islam. I have also seen a case (in the media) of male couple who married just by reading Fatiha in a Muslim country. But I am wholeheartedly against this, Islam must not be distorted !

Yeahh, I've heard of such groups/people. MashaAllah, it's good that you recognise what they say as being a distortion.

 

[CosmicPathos]

Dear Musliman, welcome to the forum

I'm a revert to Islam so my islamic knowledge is very limited.

I personally don't think someone can just stop being gay, this is my opinion. I have a lot of gay friends and they are very dear to me. From my understanding it is the act of sodomy which makes homosexuality a sin. There is no one who can tell you they are feel from sin. We all struggle with sin. It was Allah's will that made you the way you are and it is only Allah that can judge you. Allah knows your heart and knows your struggles.

I can only imagine how hard it is for your in Islam when you feel the rejection from the ummah. Jesus (pbuh) was recorded saying that he who is without sin can cast the first stone towards the adulterous woman.

May Allah guide you to a community that will accept you. May Allah help guide you away from sin and remove the desires to sin from your heart.

Off topic correction.
Sorry to say but the supposed narration of Jesus pbuh is not accurate. It was added later on in the scriptures. Listen to what Dr. Dirks has to say about this supposedly "lovey dovey" narration.. He graduated from Harvard divinity school.

:wa:

 

[Musliman]

Yeahh, I've heard of such groups/people. MashaAllah, it's good that you recognise what they say as being a distortion.

Of course ! You know not all GLB people support same-sex marriage, even amongst non-Muslim Western ones; many of them dream to convert heterosexuality. BTW, I am against any kind of distortion of the Holy Quran. I ask for Allah for his benediction and forgiveness and I do my best, that's it.

You're more lovely You're post really affected me alot (I won't probably get a sleep today ). I prayed for you straight away after praying.



Bro I'm SURE this isn't easy for you at all... You must face quite a fitnah in your life I find it brave enough for you to come here and share this with us, But please don't turn you're feelings into acts for I'm really worried about you. May Allah grant you patience imsad

Know that homosexuality is a big sin, but also know that this was decreed by Allah SWT. Maybe you're attraction to the same sex is something you can't affect, but you certainly can affect your acts (+ the way you deal with it=)

I undrestand that homosexuality certainly isn't something you can just "put-off", but maybe you could somehow little by little try to move on. Take it very slowly and ask Allah's help, Allah is thankful for every try and you will be rewarded for every single atom.

May Allah grant you paradise and keep you on the straight path
In your opinion, do you think that getting married is something that will help you in controlling your desires?
Later if you leave this thread, I'm gonna miss you alot I also thank very much

Oh ! Thank you very very much for your support, again and again, it touched me, may Allah reward you

BTW, I can also notice that you are from Finland, no wonder why you are so open-minded, understanding and kind ! :rock:

I will do my best and best to abstain from same sex relations ! And regarding marriage, your question is quite challenging, for me, marriage = love, and to love female . So if only I can fall in love with a woman, marriage would not be a problem to m, hopefully Allah will accept my demand someday.

I am also extremely grateful to the rest of the fellow sisters and brothers here who brought me hope and ambitions, and I am also nicely surprised by your acceptation and welcoming. Al Hamdoulillah

 

[alcurad]

welcome to the forum brother

can't stop thinking about this every second of my life, I am exhausted imsad

you know that^ needs to stop before you can resolve anything, like any desire it'll simply go away once you've stopped stressing over it too much, hope this helps.

 

[Musliman]

welcome to the forum brother

you know that^ needs to stop before you can resolve anything, like any desire it'll simply go away once you've stopped stressing over it too much, hope this helps.

Thanks for your advice and welcome, I will try to think less and less about it, but believe me I can't help it much

 

[cat eyes]

so brother you can't control these desires at all? sorry if this question is inappropriate i just want to try and understand this thats all have u never been attracted to girls at all in your whole life? be truthful because if you have this means its only the shaytan bro as somebody else said in this thread a lesbian dumped her girlfriend for a man so that just goes to show how cunning shaytan really is and how he pushes and pushes people to do major sins for years and fuel desires in a person.

 

[جوري]

I don't know if I have already written this here, but try fasting.. Whenever I have some thought that I obsess over and it is killing me inside, I fast until Allah swt resolves it for me..


and Allah swt knows best

 

[Italianguy]

There is a tv special on now. Not sure what channel? called " Gay Muslim" not sure if you saw it. I know that being gay is a major sin in Christianity as well, ....I think it is in all the major world veiws or religions.

 

['Abd-al Latif]

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P.S

Just so you know, this is what the Qur'an says:

And (remember) Loot (Lot), when he said to his people: ‘Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)?

‘Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins).’

And the answer of his people was only that they said: ‘Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!’

Then We saved him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the torment).

And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). Then see what was the end of the Mujrimoon (criminals, polytheists and sinners)”

[A'raaf 7:80-84]

And also:

“Verily, by your life (O Muhammad), in their wild intoxication, they were wandering blindly.

So As‑Saihah (torment — awful cry) overtook them at the time of sunrise.

And We turned (the towns of Sodom in Palestine) upside down and rained down on them stones of baked clay.

Surely, in this are signs for those who see (or understand or learn the lessons from the Signs of Allaah).

And verily, they (the cities) were right on the highroad (from Makkah to Syria, i.e. the place where the Dead Sea is now)”

[al-Hijr 15:72-76]

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