Muslim car Manufacturers

[ardianto]

The biggest challenge we would face if we build car industry is not "how to make" but "how to sell". With R&D we can make prototypes that good and meet what the consumers want. We have enough much Muslim experts for this job. However, this R&D process would spend huge amount of money if we want to make cars with original design and high quality (not just "modify" other people's designs). And to make this money back, we should able to sell our cars in large numbers.

Selling cars is different than selling clothes. Every car is a unit of huge amount of parts which many of these parts need to be 'renewed'. It's means we should build the distribution lane for our cars spare parts too.

The main factor behind success of Japanese cars in Southeast Asia is the distribution of spare parts which the car users can easily find spare parts that they need in many stores, and with affordable price. Actually, Japanese cars use enough much generic parts that can be applied in several type and even several brands. Mostly of parts in car are made by spare part industries, not the car industries themselves. Car industries are industries that supported with many supporter industries.

 

[ardianto]

Iranian Cars

Khodro Runna

Khodro Dena

 

[Muhaba]

Syria also manufactures cars and I think Iran does too. I remember my accounting teacher telling us about the first time she was buying a car, she wanted to get a muslim country manufactured car because she would rather give her money to a Muslim manufacturer than a non-muslim one and she chose a Malaysian-made car. and then she spoke about Syrian cars and said how syrian car will break down quickly, etc etc.

Yes i agree that muslims should buy from muslim manufacturers. muslims should buy from muslim country-owned industries. a lot of money goes to non-muslims industries, whether it is cars or mobiles or pharmaceuticals or clothes or other stuff. unfortunately some countries would rather give their money to non-muslim countries than to muslim countries. I've seen in bahrain pharmacies don't carry medicine made by UAE or saudi or egyptian pharmaceuticals although the muslim-country medicine is a lot less expensive than the canadian or american medicine and is also more likely to be halal! so one gulf country is not helping the economy of another gulf country!

I'll definately go for malaysian car in-sha-Allah. Give me some good brands and nice pics. I like small cars but also like practical 4X4 for family.

 

[ardianto]

Advert of Toyota Avanza in Pakistan.

Although designed by Japanese, this car is actually made in Indonesia, which around 85% of its part produced by Indonesian companies.

 

[Futuwwa]

What Tyrion said. If we buy stuff simply because it's Muslim-made, there's a risk we end up encouraging and supporting mediocrity.

 

[Muhaba]

Jazak-Allaho khairan Ardianto for the car ad made in indonesia. I'd love to buy a car made in indonesia is most of the money from the sale go to indonesian ecnomy. I also heard some good stuff about Proton car made in malaysia.

 

[ardianto]

Jazak-Allaho khairan Ardianto for the car ad made in indonesia. I'd love to buy a car made in indonesia is most of the money from the sale go to indonesian ecnomy. I also heard some good stuff about Proton car made in malaysia.

Wa iyyaki

There are two country's policy in developing car industries.

First: National Car policy.
In this policy the country build car manufacturer with its own brand, its own design, its own marketing. In this policy the national car industry may establish co-operation with car industri from other countries in design, research and development. Malaysia's Proton is a car industry that built with this policy.

Second: Local Content policy
In this policy the country invite car industries from other countries to build car manufacturing facility in this country with condition this car manufacturer should use parts that supplied by local companies as much as possible. In this policy local experts may involved in develop a design that will be produced only by car manufacturer that located in this country, not in the 'mother' country.

Local Content policy is policy that taken by Indonesian govt. There is story why now Indonesia choose Local Content policy and not National Car policy. Insha Allah, I will post about it.

 

[ardianto]

Does Indonesia have National Car policy?. In the past, yes!. But unfortunately, this program failed due to corrupt behavior.

In the middle of 90's, Indonesian govt announced they will start National Car program, and open an opportunity for anyone who wanted to participate in this program. Ministry of Research and Technology proposed "Maleo" car, and approved by govt.

However, Tommy, the son of president Soeharto took this opportunity too and announced that he would follow what Proton had done, co-operation with car manufacturer from another country. But if Proton made co-operation with Mitsubishi Japan, Timor made co-operation with Kia Korea. He asked many facilities from his father, his father gave every facility that Tommy want. Later, another Soeharto son, Bambang follow Tommy with built "Bimantara" that co-operated with Hyundai Korea.

The "Timor" plan made the "Maleo" plan stopped because govt decided to switch research fund to Tommy. But what Tommy was doing was really scam. He didn't build a car manufacturer but imported many Kia cars from Korea in 'ready to run' condition!. And he use "tax-free" facility that given by his father. Facility that actually could not be given for import built-up car. But govt was afraid to forbid Tommy, he's a dictator son.

It cause anger among car manufacturers that based on local content policy, and cause anger among Japanese govt and other mother countries of those car manufacturers. But Indonesian govt decided to fight them only to defend Tommy.

Something happened in 1997. East Asia and Southeast Asia hit by "monetary crisis" that caused financial problem for countries in these areas, especially Indonesia!. Kia Korea stopped their production. Timor Indonesia collapsed.

1998, the monetary crisis turn into economic crisis for Indonesia that destroyed Indonesia economy. Thousands companies fell into bancruptcy, millions workers, including me, lost the jobs. It caused the fall of Soeharto regime. And Indonesia left dictatorship era. New govt seized Timor assets.

Early of 21st century, Indonesia started to wake up again. But govt chose to not continue idea of National car like Timor, and took better alternative, improve car industries that have been existed in Indonesia. Motivate them to use local components as much as possible, and help them to export those cars with giving facilities. Local spare part industries started to raise again.

Alhamdulillah, If in 2011 the export volume was 107,932 units, in 2012 export volume raised until 173,368 units. Alhamdulillah, it's not only give income for Indonesian government, but also give income for many Indonesian people who work in those car manufacturers until those who work in spare parts industries that supply parts for the car manufacturers. Mostly of them are Muslims.

 

[introspective]

Jazak-Allaho khairan Ardianto for the car ad made in indonesia. I'd love to buy a car made in indonesia is most of the money from the sale go to indonesian ecnomy. I also heard some good stuff about Proton car made in Malaysia.

Proton has a large stake in the Lotus group. May be they could merge their R&D departments.

 

[ardianto]

Proton has a large stake in the Lotus group. May be they could merge their R&D departments.

When designing a car, Proton engineers are not working alone, but joined with engineers from other cars manufacturers like Mitsubishi or Volkswagen. They took design from cars that have been exist and re-design those cars as Proton cars. Joint in design like this common enough among car industries. It's for save much money. If Proton engineers were working alone in designing a car from zero and do R&D alone, it would make Proton cars prices were going higher.

 

[ardianto]

Newest cars that designed by Muslims from Indonesian electric car project.

Selo, designed as an inexpensive sports car. (still prototype)

Gendhis (right), a luxury MPV, by Ricky Elson (still limited production)

Electric bus by Dasep Ahmadi (still limited production)


Support Indonesia electric cars project with your du'a

 

[Futuwwa]

The more I find out about Indonesia, the more I become convinced that it will be the site of a resurgence of Islamic power. I'm beginning to think that when I'm 50 and a highly capable professional, I should move there to help make it happen.

 

[Nur Student]

SOME OTHER TURKISH PRODUCTS


Trolley Car

Taxi

BUS

HELICOPTER

TANK

Unmanned Air Vehicle (Drone)

Rifle

Some of the land Armours

War Frigates

RADAR Systems

 

[Samiun]

thank you guys for keeping this thread alive. I totally forgot about it!

This definitely looks like a ferrari 458 Italia!!

 

[ardianto]

The more I find out about Indonesia, the more I become convinced that it will be the site of a resurgence of Islamic power. I'm beginning to think that when I'm 50 and a highly capable professional, I should move there to help make it happen.

From Top-Down to Bottom-Up

In technology, Indonesia is still far behind developed countries. It's because for about a half century technology development in Indonesia was running slowly. The significant progress started happen in 21st century.

Until decade of 60's national situation was very unstable, rebellion and armed conflict always happened. Technology development was a forgotten thing in this period.

Entering decade of 70's, situation started stable. But, president Soeharto implemented dictatorial government style. He made his cronies became elite and gave them privilege to rule industries. The regime jargons in this period was "trickle down effect" and "technology transfer".

Sound good, but "trickle down effect" actually was a policy which elite ruled big industries while ordinary people just became sub-contractor or catering service. "Technology transfer" actually was a policy which Indonesian industries just manufacture product according to what foreign company order them.

Typical of Soeharto dictatorial regime was “Top-Down”, everything must be under command from the top. The people's aspiration was really ignored, including aspiration in science and technology.

Then economic crisis happened in 98 that made Soeharto regime fell. The elite fell too and the middle class took over the power.

Different than The Elite that have "Top-Down" mentality, the middle class have big attention to people's aspiration, including to aspiration in science and technology that come from the people. Media also give big appreciation for innovation that come from people.

Of course this "Bottom-Up" condition makes people are more motivated to make innovation in science and technology. There are many innovation contest that held in Indonesia now. And also now Indonesian people start to be proud with national technology and innovation.

Better late than never

 

[ardianto]

This definitely looks like a ferrari 458 Italia!!

Just look like, but definitely it's different.

Selo is a prototype that designed as inexpensive electric sport car with price that same as usual car.

Newest prototype of electric car from LIPI.

Electric bus from LIPI

Interior of LIPI electric bus.

Indonesian program in national car is indeed, electric cars. Of course need time before entering mass production. Now a the electric car battery factory has been established in Cileungsi to support this program.

 

[ardianto]

LIPI electric car motor.

Electric city car from PT Sarimas Ahmadi Pratama. Designed by Dasep Ahmadi. The current production of SAP is electric bus.

Gendhis electric MPV which operated to carry foreign delegation in APEC summit 2013 in Bali.

Electric car from Institut Teknologi Sepuluh November, Surabaya.

Interior of ITS electric car.

LIPI hybrid vehicle

LIPI Hybrid vehicle motor

 

[ardianto]

Indonesian inexpensive car, GEA from PT INKA, Madiun (not electric car)

Already in mass production although currently majority of users are government institution.

Located in Madiun, East Java, PT INKA itself actually is a government owned railways trains manufacturer that produce trains, locomotive, railways carriage.

Few products that designed and manufactured by PT INKA, Madiun.

Locomotive CC 300 and carriages.

 

[tansri]

Until this date proton has many achievement to make sure they still follow up the technology... such as the 2013 Suprima S and The New Proton IRIZ... beside that Malaysia itself has finalizing the project e-bus .. what is e-bus..?

e-bus is the fully electrical bus that will service as public transportation starting January 2015. Malaysia also has develop the new advance electrical engine using the new hyper lithium-ion batteries based on Tesla Electrical Engine.
Beside that Perodua are NOT like proton who designed create and produce their own cars.. they just rebadge the japanese car.


Malaysia also building the bullet train from penang to Singapore and will finished in 2016...as the KLIA2 international airport has oficially operated so the government want people to have more convenience public transport..

To know Proton cars specs you can search it for yourself on google...

 

[Samiun]

Thanks for bumping, forgot about this thread(again).

The thing about proton is the customer service is bad according to a brother of mine who went to check and service a Proton Saga. Unfortunately, this is one of the areas Proton needs to improve if they want to be competitive. Also the cars like saga need to be more stable when travelling at high speeds, I feel like the car can apart.

Selo is a pretty cool car company, is good on the road uncle Ardianto?

Btw this is Perodua's new car that will be launch in these coming few days