Muslim Family Killed in Crash after leaving the Masjid.

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This is a tragedy. *sigh* If only people would realize that getting yourself drunk at a bar and then driving however man miles down the highway just ain't the thing to do. It is the cause of many horrendous accidents such as this one, and countless others. It seems like every time the news come on we get another story about somebody getting in a crash while driving under the influence. If they'd only learn, if they'd only learn. May God help them.

And may God have mercy on the souls of these persons and comfort and console their family during this tragic event.
 
This is one of many reasons why alcohol should be banned

May Allah bless them
 
This is one of many reasons why alcohol should be banned

May Allah bless them

unfortunately, we are surrounded by a bunch of morons who think life is all about alcohol, sex and partying, and these people will never change themselves sadly, they don't want to be changed, which is very messed up.
 




That's such tragic news! It must be devastating for all who knew this young family. :cry:

I wonder though whether Allah in his great mercy would show forgiveness to the (alleged) drink driver, instead of putting a curse on him?
Allahu Alim

The points are (we of course are only ever going to go by what we hear of the story);-

1. People who drink alcohol are still responsible for their actions (which is agreed by the courts in this world wereby they are charged for crimes).

People drinking alcohol are more suscepetible of listening to the devils whispers, and going into lewd behaviour etc, but still it is no different to people letting other people make the decisions in their life, ie to fight where your leaders tell you etc. On the Day of Judgement you are 100% responsible for your actions, knowing full well that alcohol could effect them.

This on his record for the Day of Judgement is seen as he is responsible for the act as he placed himself in the position of being harmful to others, how else do people think that others can get hurt?? He may not have had the intention of murdering someone, but he did -he ended the lives of others by not doing the right thing. God is not going to place him as the "innocent party". It wasn't as if you were just driving your car and someone just stepped out in front of you.

Killing someone is as if you killed everyone in this world.

It is no different if someone disliking people decided to place a trap outside of his home to deter people, as he is ill mannered, and bad to others, Allah may allow someone to have an accident and be killed by him-therefore the Man was responsible for his actions, and was already in a cursed existence.

Allah has also a record of everyone killed in Afghanistan, Iraq etc, that is on the records of the people who carry them out. If they happen to kill others unintenionally whilst bombing, it still goes on their records as if its murder.

To be clear of the above it is to go over Death.

People who kill, think they have control over other people's affairs, Allah can keep anyone alive, people have lived with severe injuries, if Allah had willed that family that died could have still been kept alive. Murders etc do not run the next world (the angels aren't frantically going around catching the souls of people), Allah knows what people are going to do (doesn't change the fact that we are being tested, as we expect God to know everything), just because God knows everything does that mean that we shouldn't exist -no it does not).

When people are cursed like Pharaoh who killed the newborns, Allah allows them to kill, and have a bad record as they desire to belittle the lives of others, he provides a goodly reward for the good and a bad one to the evil doers. Obviously there are those people who don't think of others and repeat and repeat their mistakes and it is no surprise to anyone that they kill someone, and kill someone they did. What a bad existence for sinful people, placing other people in harms way and letting others die.

So the answer to your question, rest assured that Allah who is All-Compassionate and All-Merciful is Just and fair, and will not treat people merely as innocent parties just as he did when Prophet Moses peace be upon him killed someone-even Allah said to him, that if that one you killed had prayed even once, he would have been in big trouble (of course that fight went too far, and it was not planned that he would be killed at the start when he was standing up for someone who was a hothead).
 
This on his record for the Day of Judgement is seen as he is responsible for the act as he placed himself in the position of being harmful to others, how else do people think that others can get hurt?? He may not have had the intention of murdering someone, but he did -he ended the lives of others by not doing the right thing. God is not going to place him as the "innocent party". It wasn't as if you were just driving your car and someone just stepped out in front of you.

Are you sure you are not making Allah in your own image? And giving him the qualities and attributes you would like him to have?

An all-knowing and all-compassionate God also understands what drove this man to drinking and what made him get into the car that day and any remorse he may be feeling inside.
An all-knowing and all-compassionate God knows the struggles of all of us - victims and perpetrators. And very often those roles aren't black-and-white, but all shades of grey ...
My point is, we might call one person is the victim and the other the perpetrator - but God's sees deeper.

And we raise ourselves to a very haughty and prideful status if we claim to know what God thinks and going to do!
 


Are you sure you are not making Allah in your own image? And giving him the qualities and attributes you would like him to have?

An all-knowing and all-compassionate God also understands what drove this man to drinking and what made him get into the car that day and any remorse he may be feeling inside.
An all-knowing and all-compassionate God knows the struggles of all of us - victims and perpetrators. And very often those roles aren't black-and-white, but all shades of grey ...
My point is, we might call one person is the victim and the other the perpetrator - but God's sees deeper.

And we raise ourselves to a very haughty and prideful status if we claim to know what God thinks and going to do!

Perhaps you also like to say that a "prostitute" has some deeper issues, that only God can understand too.

God is not going to say that if you drank alcohol for such and such a reason, then I will treat you sympathetically, but if you drank alcohol for another such and such a reason then I will treat you as a guilty person. So frankly, it doesn't matter what the reasons were, you are a guilty person. Even in hell the sinful people are going to one place-Hell, the Murderers, rapists, idol worshippers etc.


The Prophets Noah, Lut, Solomon, Salih, Moses, Muhammad, Jesus peace be upon them warned people to avoid sins, they didn't say that if you commit adultery for such and such reason, then you are going to be let off leniently then others who committed the same sin as they did it for another.

Allah, the All-Compassionate and All-Merciful, the Just, the Ruler on the Day of Judgement has already provided us with the rules that we need to be successful in this world and in the hereafter.

We are people that have the same test as the rest in all of humanity, and we do not have a different Day of Judgement. Of course its even set in stone! -the 10 commandments. So what an awful thing to say, that I am attaching attributes to God, when he is Just.

The test in simple to understand, that people no matter if they were literate or not, could understand. Why wouldn't we understand the test? As its the only opportunity that we have to go to Paradise. It is that you are belittling and treating people as simpletons, and not remembering that God has created them, and if they are good enough to be judged by God himself and potentially go to Hell forever, then you would not be underestimating people to say that they don't know or understand.

Allah is not going to surprise us on the Day of Judgement and say, "actually such and such a rule will not apply anymore", because this person was so depressed that he killed someone etc.

Its not arrogance, of course we know what God thinks about evil sins, and what he is going to do to those who don't repent. That is why God sent the Prophets to tell us. How can you be tested on something when you don't know what the test is about???? Well we aren't, God has made it fair that he has told us. We don't know everything about God, ie his his other creations etc-but in terms of humanity's test -YES. Of course he has already told us that he will be sending the evil doers to Hell if they don't repent. So we know what we are going to be tested on (saying no to idol worship, murder, adultery etc), and how to save ourselves from Hell.
 
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Allah is not going to surprise us on the Day of Judgement and say, "actually such and such a rule will not apply anymore", because this person was so depressed that he killed someone etc.

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if one repents sincerely , s/he will be forgiven - Allah has assured us about that . Also because of one small good deed , a sinner can be forgiven and may enter Jannat . We know from Hadith that a prostitute was forgiven because she gave water to a thristy dog.

So , we don't know whom Allah will show His mercy on the final day . And Allah Knows Best.
 
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if one repents sincerely , s/he will be forgiven - Allah has assured us about that . Also because of one small good deed , a sinner can be forgiven and may enter Jannat . We know from Hadith that a prostitute was forgiven because she gave water to a thristy dog.

So , we don't know whom Allah will show His mercy on the final day . And Allah Knows Best.

Which I've already agreed to, even including at the end of the paragraph if they don't repent.

Also that ex-prostitute still accepted the existence of the one God.

The Quran is very clear, that those who don't repent go to Hell, and that the acceptance of the one God, the Day of Judgement, Paradise and Hell is a requirement. As we wouldn't commit idol worship like Christians, dismiss Hell like the Jews, the Day of Judgement like Sikhism. Islam no corruption, and changing texts for the life of this world. Idol worship a big no no and unacceptable to Allah 100%.

Prophet Ibrahim peace be upon him did not say to the idol worshippers, you may or you may not be going to Hell for your sins, rather that he said that you need to repent to God first.

No Prophet ever came to the people and said I think God might or he might not be sending you to Hell for this and this if you don't repent. It certain, that is why Prophet Noah peace be upon him went for so long too.

What I've basically said is that God hasn't made a mistake, that when people talk of them as if they are poor, poor people that they aren't being tested fairly. We're not going to say to God, I think you shouldn't be testing people and just exempt practically everyone in this world because they weak people etc. God is already testing them, and their records being written.

Other people can freely say that others, even Christians are being "nicer" by saying what people wish to hear, but actually they are treating people as if they are dumb and need a lot of help from them to pass their tests -I on the other hand, am not talking to people as if they weak, dumb people, as I remember every day that God is good enough to judge them himself on the Day of Judgement, and if they couldn't handle their test, then they wouldn't be here in the first place.

I am not one who is ever saying that no non-Muslim have ever done right things, ie to give to charity, even the Christians, hindus of course take care and feed and give water, milk to their children-but does that mean that God is going to let them all go to Heaven now?? As they reject God, and do good intentions for personal reasons, the answer is no. They ask people to turn away from the Lord of the Worlds, when they are only people themselves and God has given them so much.
 
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Perhaps you also like to say that a "prostitute" has some deeper issues, that only God can understand too.
That's exactly what I am saying!

Do you know how many desperate women are forced into prostitution to make a living and keep their children from starvation?
Oh no, don't tell me ... they all do it because they are immoral and love to have sex with as many men as possible - regardless of any physical, medical or emotional risk to themselves!

Get real, h-n, and learn a bit about the world we live in.
May God protect you that you will never find yourself in a situation so desperate.
 

That's exactly what I am saying!

Do you know how many desperate women are forced into prostitution to make a living and keep their children from starvation?
Oh no, don't tell me ... they all do it because they are immoral and love to have sex with as many men as possible - regardless of any physical, medical or emotional risk to themselves!

Get real, h-n, and learn a bit about the world we live in.
May God protect you that you will never find yourself in a situation so desperate.

Obviously you understand people less, and even about religion,

God NEVER said there was an acceptable reason for prostitution, and people who go into prostitution are able to find other means, they go to Males who pay for sex-have they no sense, were do these Males get money from -or are you going to tell me that they go into prostitution too??

It is far more important to forbid evil and enjoin good-and that is were God helps those who do that, there is not such thing as being acceptable to being immoral for anyone including children. Even working in a factory is far more acceptable then going so low.

In the western media, they were actually supporting a brazilian female who said she was selling her virginity to pay for her mother's treatment as she was so ill. That is disgusting, everyone has a test to make it to Paradise, you won't be supporting others on the Day, or ever say that you should have committed an immoral deeds for so and so.

It is because people are saying that the above acts are done in kindness so they think its OK.

There is no such thing as prostitution being done for a kindly act,
There is no such thing as doing any immoral deeds for a kindly act.

We don't allow wrongdoers to start saying that this is not fair on what God has taught and what he is testing us on. We obviously aren't going to be like Desmond Tutu who is basically saying that God should be accepting homosexuals. IS he more merciful then God to tell him what to accept and what not to accept? No he is not!

There was another case, were a female's twin sister died, who left a bucket list, as she couldn't do them, the surviving sister decides that she will be carrying them out, which includes going to a nudist colony, getting a tattoo etc. As people cannot see, is that they do it for the lust of this world.

A prostitute if she was so sincere about providing a "good" home for her kids would do so, not be involved in disgusting acts. It is because they think it would be easier to earn money that way, then working. There are many poor people in Pakistan for example, and they have lost their husbands but they are supported, not only because of the benefit of an extended family (but when they have none it is from the help of others). Were there is no welfare state. So no excuse even in the UK there is help from the government.

Your twisted in your viewpoints about people, treating them as if they are weak, perhaps you might be thinking that God has made a mistake and he shouldn't be testing them (he might as well just exempt everybody and send them to Paradise), as they are the poor, poor people that you make them out to be. You claim your being kind to people, but your treating them as if they are just dumb and can't cut it out to be in this world were God himself the Merciful has already chosen them to be. :shade: Your not more Merciful then God, and as he has chosen to test people this way, it is not for you to say that these laws are not good enough to be applied to so and so-as God as already chosen to do so, and his words are LAW. They are the same laws no matter what people circumstances are in this world, no matter what part of history they were living in.

When Prophet Lut peace be upon him told the homosexuals to repent, he didn't say to them that "you may, or you may not" go to Hell if you don't repent. It was the fact that they will, neither did Prophet Lut peace be upon him say, that if you don't repent, but do a kindly deed, God will admit you into Paradise. Neither did he say it was understandable for them to be homosexual.

It is the media that has influenced people more, were anything goes mentality, were support wrong doers to such and extent that don't bother telling them that they are committing sinful acts.

There are plenty of females who oppose Islam so much, and call it oppressive to females, were was there opposition when they were having sex outside of marriage? When they were going into prostitution etc?? Why did they not strongly go against those people, instead of the Muslims who were telling them to do no such thing.

LET'S not also forget that Satan himself is not telling his children, (that when he tells them to get the humans to commit immoral acts) but they may make it to Paradise because it wasn't there fault, they couldn't help being evil, they had no choice.

This is what happens when you DON'T forbid evil and enjoin what is good, and were Satan has made evil deeds fair seeming on you and them. Your just showing that you understand people less, and even what God has provided in this world in his message. Your just proving that with Christianity is not about being religious but about receiving attention from each other, and that you wouldn't want to jeopardize that by telling people that they are on the path to Hell-fire if they don't repent.

Your prayerss mean nothing, as your an idol worshipper (treating the Prophet Jesus peace be upon him as your saviour), even the prayer of a donkey is more better as it does not commit idol worship. But there is no situation that a person would be in, that would warrant them to commit immoral acts, you might as well start telling people that God prefers that you all be wealthy as it is the only way to prevent yourselves from doing immoral acts (so you may not be led into "desperate situations".
 
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You may disagree with me, sister h-n, but please don't call me depraved. Thank you.

Read up some stories in those charities who support women in leaving prostitution and it will break you heart! :cry:
http://www.communitycare.co.uk/articles/05/10/2006/55910/prostitutes-and-the-charities-working-to-help-them-leave-the.htm
http://www.eavesforwomen.org.uk/about-eaves/our-projects/the-poppy-project

It would shock many people to hear the real stories of the women we work with. They are written off by many as “prostitutes”, “addicts” and “wasters”. They are seen as having chosen a course in life and living with the consequences. Sympathy is for those who are seen as ‘innocent’ victims and often this is connected with being trafficked from overseas and sold for sex in the UK. Those within the UK who happen to be found on the streets or in brothels are rarely seen with the same understanding. These women are perceived as being complicit and that they have made “lifestyle choices” which have taken them to that place. - See more at: http://www.beyondthestreets.org.uk/index.php/blog/entry/the_myth_of_choice/#sthash.CPDlhfux.dpuf
http://www.beyondthestreets.org.uk/index.php/blog/entry/the_myth_of_choice/

Anyway ... all of this is off topic in this thread.
 
You may disagree with me, sister h-n, but please don't call me depraved. Thank you.

Read up some stories in those charities who support women in leaving prostitution and it will break you heart! :cry:
http://www.communitycare.co.uk/arti...-charities-working-to-help-them-leave-the.htm
http://www.eavesforwomen.org.uk/about-eaves/our-projects/the-poppy-project


http://www.beyondthestreets.org.uk/index.php/blog/entry/the_myth_of_choice/

Anyway ... all of this is off topic in this thread.

I'm not your sister, but only to those who are Muslims.

As stated we don't allow wrongdoers to start dictating what religion is to be, to suit their purposes (that people should just treat them as innocent parties regardless of what they do with their own hands and feet) and there is no need to treat people as if they haven't already heard, seen and read the problems in this world.

Your right it is off topic, so next time you wish to question God being Merciful, you might want to think about creating another thread.
 
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In this world we are only able to judge based on the outward, but beyond that only God truly knows. As muslims, yes, it is important to enjoin good and forbid evil but not with arrogance nor with bad adab and especially not without wisdom.

Anymore off topic posts will be deleted inshaaAllah.
 
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