Muslim jokes 'scare' BBC - Elton

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are they free to make jokes of everything else?

i think not. there are limits and not just with regards to islamic jokes
 
"Allah made me funny" is an islamic comedy show by muslims. You ppl should watch it. Personally i'm not a fan of it nor do i like it a bit but it will give the non-muslims an idea of what could be islamically or muslimfully acceptable. The reason these people are afraid because of the past and rightly so. When you have morons who make ignorant cartoons and movies to spread hate and false notions about Islam in the so called name of "freedom" then yea, you will get a reaction of DEFENSE from others. Muslims won't object to comedy, kuffars just need to learn how to do it with taste rather then jump on the anti-islam wagon to quick fame followed by hiding in basements and 24/7 security to live like a prisoner for rest of their lives cuz of their own arrogant actions.
 
i don't think it's right to deliberately offend someone's religious beliefs.
do you think it's right that people who don't have the basic decency to respect others' feelings/beliefs in this regard are targeted for killing?
 
A few years ago i did some research on Islamic jokes. (jokes created by muslims).

There were a lot of englishman irishman scotsman type jokes, but with a christian, a jew and a muslim. guess who got the mickey taken out of them and who came up on top?

I watched a few Allah-made-me-funny shows and interveiws, and concluded that, the title was a bit of a misnomer.
He was a bit Jo Brand like, (a british fat woman comedian who only makes jokes about being a woman and fat), he simply made the same sort of jokes about how the kuffar reacted when he got on a plane.

Jokes are a very cultural thing. Ben Elton who thrives on telling Jokes about drinking ,drugs, political correctness and womens rights probably wont receive much of a laugh from a different culture.

Basically, it comes down to this. Ive joked with christian Preists about noahs Ark, The exodus and even Jesus, they could laugh at themselves and their religion.
I think thats very healthy.
 
Barney,

that's why i said i'm not too found of "Allah made me funny" show, in my opinion they lack talent and need to go back to the drawing board.
 
Dunno if this is appropriate, but to give us an idea of whats acceptable as an islamic joke is this one OK?

if not i'll whack it with an edit.

One day, Adam sat outside the Garden of Eden shortly after eating the apple, and wondered about men and women. So looking up to the heavens he said, "Excuse me God, can I ask you a few questions?"

God replied, "Go on Adam ."

So Adam says, "When you created Eve, why did you make her body curved and tender unlike mine?"

"I did that, Adam, so that you could love her."

"Oh, well then, why did you give her long, shiny, beautiful hair, and not me?"

"I did that Adam so that you could love her."

"Oh, well then, why did you make her so stupid? Certainly not so that I could love her?"

"Well, Adam no. I did that so that she could love you."
 
It is perfectly OK to make jokes about religion as long as you don’t cross the line.

I foresee a comedian making jokes about all the religions without crossing any lines.

Then he will finish by saying “Now for Islam. On second thoughts we won’t go there.” And then Muslims get upset :raging:

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kirk said:
It is perfectly OK to make jokes about religion as long as you don’t cross the line.

I foresee a comedian making jokes about all the religions without crossing any lines.

Then he will finish by saying “Now for Islam. On second thoughts we won’t go there.” And then Muslims get upset :raging:

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Already been done. Viz comic last year. gilbert Ratchet went to a mosque to make some jokes, but crossed back over the road to the Anglican church.
 
barney said:
Dunno if this is appropriate, but to give us an idea of whats acceptable as an islamic joke is this one OK?

if not i'll whack it with an edit.

One day, Adam sat outside the Garden of Eden shortly after eating the apple, and wondered about men and women. So looking up to the heavens he said, "Excuse me God, can I ask you a few questions?"

God replied, "Go on Adam ."

So Adam says, "When you created Eve, why did you make her body curved and tender unlike mine?"

"I did that, Adam, so that you could love her."

"Oh, well then, why did you give her long, shiny, beautiful hair, and not me?"

"I did that Adam so that you could love her."

"Oh, well then, why did you make her so stupid? Certainly not so that I could love her?"

"Well, Adam no. I did that so that she could love you."
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Personally i don't find that funny at all, that's your typical american jokes that go under the category of "gender attack". Islamically, there is no direct insult to anyone of course, but it's not of good taste nor do we make such jokes that makes one do impersonation of others, especially those of significant importance, like God and prophets, and pretending to talk on their behalf.

The Prophet (peace be upon him) used to joke but he would only speak the truth. If it is with lying, then it is not allowed. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "Woe to the one who speaks and tells a lie in order to make the people laugh at it. Woe to him. Then again, woe to him."

Conditions of permissible joking
http://islamqa.com/index.php?ref=22170&ln=eng
 
KAding said:
In my opinion it is absolutely wrong to outlaw a disbelief in the holocaust.

Yet, I fail to see your point? Does the fact that 13 countries outlaw holocaust denial a reason for you why no jokes should be made about Islam?
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Because you said it wouldn't be fair if religion got special treatment while others did not. Other beliefs (such as the belief that the holocaust actually happened) are getting special treatment.

You may disagree with this law, but if the majority do not (and I'm assuming it is a majority since the law was approved in the first place), and the majority find believe that religion should not get "special treatment", then what is happening is indeed hypocrisy.
 
crayon said:
"I don't think it's fair that religion gets such a special 'protected' treatment while all other beliefs do not"

Speaking of "special protected treatments"...

What if I, hypothetically speaking, do not believe in the holocaust? What if I want to deny that it ever happened? It should be fully within my rights to deny the holocaust. It is a "belief", yet it is a crime in 13 countries. How about a joke denying the holocaust? Pretty much the same, I'm guessing. So much for "freedom of speech".
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I can't speak for those 13 countries but in the US it is perfectly legal to deny the holocaust.
 
aamirsaab said:
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The thing with freedom of speech is people only seem to call it that when they're insulting a religion (in most cases, Islam....:()
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That's not true. Neo Nazis hold rallies and marches in Finland, The KKK hold marches and Rallies in the US. Anti-War rallies are held world wide...
 
Izyan said:
That's not true. Neo Nazis hold rallies and marches in Finland, The KKK hold marches and Rallies in the US. Anti-War rallies are held world wide...
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1) Ok I was not aware of that
2) My comment was about the fact that people only call it freedom of speech after someone who is offended by it complains about it. Sort of like a trump card.

Still I personally think that until freedom of speech is properly defined, we (as a whole) cannot discuss it.
 
Jokes about Islam? Off limits.

Jokes about Muslims or certain Muslim behaviours that nobody, not even Muslims, are proud of? Great stuff. I do it all the time. Not in some cheesy, pseudo-xenophobic way, but just tongue-in-cheek ribbing, or, for something with a bit more bite, through satire.
 
Trumble said:
Being 'serious' and 'keeping a sense of proportion' (let alone 'a sense of humour') are two totally different things. Jokes that refer to a particular religion do not automatically mean 'mockery'... many Jews and Christians (and I assume muslims?) are able to see genuine humour without taking offence when no offence is intended. Buddhists certainly can, although for some reason there aren't exactly a lot of Buddhist jokes! Here's a story about taking offence that's relevant, though (and a few jokes at the link).




A lighter side of Buddhism
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Is laughing at a religion not a mockery of it? Of course jews and christians do not get offended when anyone laughs at their religions. But, we Muslims do, cuz our religion is being portrayed as a religion which promotes terrorism. We do not know whether someone is making fun of Islaam with a humorous intention or trying to defame it.
 
barney

when it comes to joking about Prophets, well its a serious thing. i dont think anyone should accept jokes about prophets be they christians jews or muslims. how is that true respect?
if someone told me a joke about Jesus peace be upon him i wouldnt take it. same for any other Prophet.

Theres a difference between making jokes about muslims (fine) and Muhammed :arabic5: (not fine)
 
Muezzin said:
Jokes about Islam? Off limits.

Jokes about Muslims or certain Muslim behaviours that nobody, not even Muslims, are proud of? Great stuff. I do it all the time. Not in some cheesy, pseudo-xenophobic way, but just tongue-in-cheek ribbing, or, for something with a bit more bite, through satire.
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Why only jokes about Islam? Have you ever seen George Carlin's routhine? He absolutely blasts Christianity. No one complains.
 
Izyan said:
Why only jokes about Islam?
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Er... because this thread is talking about Muslim and Islamic jokes?

Have you ever seen George Carlin's routhine? He absolutely blasts Christianity. No one complains.
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Nah, but I've seen him in the Bill and Ted movies.
 
aamirsaab said:
1) Ok I was not aware of that
2) My comment was about the fact that people only call it freedom of speech after someone who is offended by it complains about it. Sort of like a trump card.

Still I personally think that until freedom of speech is properly defined, we (as a whole) cannot discuss it.
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In the US it is defined very specifically. It only restricts speech done to incite panic or physical harm against someone. For example I can't yell fire in a crowded theater because it creates panic. I can say I hate all Jews and that the Holocaust didn't exist but I can't say that we should work to make sure a real holocaust does happen. In the US the protests wouldn't be aimed at getting the cartoons banned but at getting the people involved fired. Employers have a lot more room for restricting free speech because their employees sign contracts.
 

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