Muslim ladies and their headscarfs...give me a break! Real good videeo!

[Asyur an-Nagi]

lovely video! and that man made an excellent point. i love 'moslem girls with scarf won't ruin america'.

 

[DigitalStorm82]

Glo, why do you think christians don't cover themselves properly like the bible teaches them to do so?

I know the same can be applied to muslims... as there are many who don't cover themselves...

But at least you still see some muslim women in covering.. where as I don't see any christians covering them properly... that is... in our everyday lives...

Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that christianity teaches Jesus died for the sins... so they don't have to practice their religion so strictly... long as they live good moral lives its ok?

or its just that our definition of "Modesty" is so drastically different?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Personally, I think I dress very modestly - but I know that Muslims would not agree.

Before i wore hijab, i thought i was modest, cuz i was covered fully, although it was regular western clothes. The only thing i was missing was a hijab lol. So i can relate to u Glo But then again i wouldnt know how u exactly dress lol.

 

[glo]

Glo, why do you think christians don't cover themselves properly like the bible teaches them to do so?

I know the same can be applied to muslims... as there are many who don't cover themselves...

But at least you still see some muslim women in covering.. where as I don't see any christians covering them properly... that is... in our everyday lives...

Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that christianity teaches Jesus died for the sins... so they don't have to practice their religion so strictly... long as they live good moral lives its ok?

or its just that our definition of "Modesty" is so drastically different?

Hi DigitalStorm

I have had more debates about hijab than I care to remember (Those muslimahs gave me a hard time about it in the mixed female section ... but don't tell 'em I said that! :giggling

So I will keep this reply brief and would like to ask people to just accept it as my personal view, and not to use it as a starting point for lengthy debates.
If this turns into another lengthy women-who-don't-cover-themselves-are-immoral thread, I will just ignore it ...:rollseyes

I will stick to the topic of hijab, but I have to go a bit deeper into Christian thinking first ...
In some ways you are right, Christians believe that by Jesus' death and resurrection the relationship between God and humans changed completely. God made a new convenant.

But I think you are mistaken to think that so we "don't have to practice [our] religion so strictly" - Jesus gave some extremely tough teachings about forgiveness, about charity and loving your enemy. Jesus' teachings make huge demands on everyday living - on how to treat other people and how to search our hearts and consciences. Now I am not saying that Christians necessarily manage to follow those commands terribly well (myself included!) - but those are the commands we should strive to live by!

Many of the 'external' things which Jews had practiced until Jesus' death (and still practice in many ways now) - the ritualistic prayers, the animal sacrifices, the cleanliness and food laws etc (many not dissimilar to Muslim practices), have lost their meaning for Christians.
Because we believe that God gave those laws to the Jews to enable them to be cleansed enough to come into his presence.
After Jesus' death, the new covenant made those things unsignificant.

What's important for Christians is our relationship with God, our love and devotion to him, how we strive to follow the example Jesus set us.

Now back to the hijab:
In the context of what I have just tried to explain, there is no requirement for Christian women to cover their heads.
It is mentioned in Paul's letter to the church in Corinthians - but that is largely seen as a cultural practice at that time, not something we should all still be doing in the 21st century ...

Women are called to be modest in their actions and thoughts - some women may strive to dress like the women did in Jesus' time (as I said, some Christian groups do), but there is no requirement for all women to do so.

I don't think whether Christians cover their heads or not is any reflection on their level of faith or on how much they love and serve God ... God alone knows how much each believer is devoted to him.

Hope this helps.

 

[Umm Yoosuf]

Hi DigitalStorm

I have had more debates about hijab than I care to remember (Those muslimahs gave me a hard time about it in the mixed female section ... but don't tell 'em I said that! :giggling

LOL

Indeed we did had a lenghty discussion on the Hijab still those our Christian members left me in the dark and confused. What is modesty? How do you define modesty? Dress modestly you say it says in the Bible and that yet there is no requirements or a line drawn...but what is modesty? A woman dressed in tight jeans and long tight top can say "i am dressed modestly" on the other hand a woman wearing knee length skirt with a long jacket can say something else etc etc

You say God tells you to dress modestly but whats modesty?

 

[glo]

Indeed we did had a lenghty discussion on the Hijab still those our Christian members left me in the dark and confused. What is modesty? How do you define modesty? Dress modestly you say it says in the Bible and that yet there is no requirements or a line drawn...but what is modesty? A woman dressed in tight jeans and long tight top can say "i am dressed modestly" on the other hand a woman wearing knee length skirt with a long jacket can say something else etc etc

You say God tells you to dress modestly but whats modesty?

That's open to personal interpretation ...

Islam teaches that it's intention that matters - does it not?
If I go running in the summer in shorts and a short-sleeved top, then my intention is to be comfortable, not to attract the attention of male strangers.

God knows my intentions. He knows my heart. This matter is between him and me.

Peace

 

[Malaikah]

Islam teaches that it's intention that matters - does it not?
If I go running in the summer in shorts and a short-sleeved top, then my intention is to be comfortable, not to attract the attention of male strangers.

Yes, BUT that does not mean Muslims can sin and say 'I have good intentions'.

Also, just because the intention isnt to attract male attention, that doesnt mean that the behaviour doesnt attract unwanted attention. (No, I'm not talkng about you in specific Glo. Just in general, a person might not intend one thing, but their actions suggest otherwise nonetheless).

 

[glo]

Yes, BUT that does not mean Muslims can sin and say 'I have good intentions'.

I agree. That applies to Islamic teaching.
According to Christian teaching it is not sinful to keep your head uncovered (for reasons given previously)

Also, just because the intention isnt to attract male attention, that doesnt mean that the behaviour doesnt attract unwanted attention. (No, I'm not talkng about you in specific Glo. Just in general, a person might not intend one thing, but their actions suggest otherwise nonetheless).

That's true.
If me running in shorts and t-shirt attracted unwanted attention from men, I would have to consider my options ... and I may choose to take action to avoid such incidents (to call the police, to run in a group or with my husband, to choose a different route, to run at a different time, and possibly to dress differently ... actually, whilst I am typing this, it occurs to me that I would consider dressing differently possibly the least effective of these options)

Peace

 

[Malaikah]

According to Christian teaching it is not sinful to keep your head uncovered (for reasons given previously)

I know. That is why i said Muslims specifically.