Muslim mother excluded from school parents' evening for wearing veil

[Whatsthepoint]

How can u say that? How can you pass judgement so easily???? Do you know the sister? Do you know what her circumstances are maybe she does not want her son to go to a Catholic school but has no choice................

The woman claims that had she been made aware of the change in advance, she would not have enrolled her son at her former school.

Either there were other schools available or she thought her right to wear the niqab more important than her son's education.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Why do you say that?

It poses safety concerns, it is completely foreign and it creates isolation.

 

[Snowflake]

If the school has no objection to muslim woman wearing a veil on a one-to-one meeting then both parties shouldve discussed this and made alternative arrangements for the mother to check her son's progress at the school at a different time.

I can't blame the school as to them it's matter of identification, hence banning hoodies and the like. Tomorrow some loony can walk in dressed as muslimah and gun down kids there.

 

[Thinker]

The lady has not committed a crime or broken any British Laws to the way she dresses.......D

She is not enforcing her dress code onto anyone. Simply doing what is right for her and her beliefs................

It is the woman’s right and she is free to wear the niqab. The question for me is: does she wonder/care about what non-Muslims think when they see her and do other Muslims care about what impression she gives of Islam to those who see her?

The reason we have proverbs such as ‘you shouldn’t judge a book by its cover’ is because, like it or not, people do judge people by how they appear. I would estimate that 99% of all UK non-Muslims know nothing about Islam and Muslims other than what they see on the news. When they see a woman dressed in a niqab it reminds them of the Taliban and they presume she is a fundamental/radical/extremist. They don’t postulate on the difference between a fundamentalist and extremist they just put them all into the same box. In the politically correct world in which we live, nobody is going to suggest that she be denied her right to wear what she likes and likewise everybody is going to demand their right to put her into the radical extremist box. You might think that’s unfair and I might agree with you but that’s people. So why is that woman walking amongst kafir, in a non-Muslim country, wearing a niqab knowing that the people she passes are reminded by her appearance that they have been bombed by Muslims extremists and is waiting in certain anticipation for the next bombing?

 

[Whatsthepoint]

She is not enforcing her dress code onto anyone. Simply doing what is right for her and her beliefs................

So I could walk around naked and as long as I didn't enforce my nakedness to anyone else, you'd be fine with it?
You know there are religions that perform naked rituals, so why should we let niqabs, who also happen to be a threat to security, and ban nakedness?

 

[Dawud_uk]

First let me make my position ABSOLUTELY clear; I welcome anyone of any race, colour, culture or creed to live in my country so long as they abide by the laws, customs and culture of the country and try hard to live in peace and tolerance with the indigenous population. With regards to suggesting someone might be happier living elsewhere, I make those suggestions only when it appears that someone cannot live with the laws, customs and culture of the country and want everybody else to change to the way they want it to be.

exactly thinker, your country. but this case didnt take case in your country.

when the muslims first came here to the uk they were free to live by their own culture and creed, just had to keep to the laws, fair enough.

but now matters have changed, the deal is being changed after both signatures are long dry by one party, in complete opposition to that of the other party to the agreement.

 

[S_87]

This is just one case, I am for the banning of niqab in all public places.

how generous of you. atleast we'd be able to veil in private

 

[Whatsthepoint]

how generous of you. atleast we'd be able to veil in private

And in places a veiled person doesn't pose any significant danger as well as hospitals.
Or you could also think of a way that enables a niqabi to prove he or she is not wearing a bomb or anything illegal underneath the holy cloth.

 

[Dawud_uk]

And in places a veiled person doesn't pose any significant danger as well as hospitals.
Or you could also think of a way that enables a niqabi to prove he or she is not wearing a bomb or anything illegal underneath the holy cloth.

im all for banning fat people from public places, after all they could have explosives or anything hidden and you'd never know.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

im all for banning fat people from public places, after all they could have explosives or anything hidden and you'd never know.

That's true but you can at least see their face and determine whether it exhibis any unusual signs.
And safety isn't the only concern I have with niqabs.

 

[crayon]

im all for banning fat people from public places, after all they could have explosives or anything hidden and you'd never know.

Yup, I agree. I guess the only solution is for people to walk around in speedos and bikinis..only even that isn't foolproof.

That's true but you can at least see their face and determine whether it exhibis any unusual signs.
And safety isn't the only concern I have with niqabs.

Yes, because people's facial expressions are completely uncontrollable...ffended:

"And safety isn't the only concern I have with niqabs."
Yes, that's true. You simply don't like them. Sigh.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Yup, I agree. I guess the only solution is for people to walk around in speedos and bikinis..only even that isn't foolproof.



Yes, because people's facial expressions are completely uncontrollable...ffended:

"And safety isn't the only concern I have with niqabs."
Yes, that's true. You simply don't like them. Sigh.

No, read an earlier post of moi.

 

[crayon]

Dude, have you ever even met a niqabi?
I have no doubt that your answer is no.
Well I have met tons, and the only time I have trouble communicating is when their voices are extremely low and I can't read their lips. That's it.
You can't see my face now, can you? Is it hindering communication? Can you see my facial expressions on the phone? Eh?
Eurgh.

 

[Whatsthepoint]

Dude, have you ever even met a niqabi?
I have no doubt that your answer is no.
Well I have met tons, and the only time I have trouble communicating is when their voices are extremely low and I can't read their lips. That's it.
You can't see my face now, can you? Is it hindering communication? Can you see my facial expressions on the phone? Eh?
Eurgh.

Eurgh

 

[crayon]

Eurgh

In other words, "YES CRAYON, YOU ARE RIGHT.":muddlehea

 

[Whatsthepoint]

In other words, "YES CRAYON, YOU ARE RIGHT.":muddlehea

haha never in a million years, cln!:shade:

 

[S_87]

whatsthepoint, just curious...when you see a veiled woman what is ur reaction to her? would you speak to her? do you see her as a threat? (seriously, not minding the stereo types) do you think she cant speak english or something?
What are your thoughts when u see a veiled woman

 

[Whatsthepoint]

whatsthepoint, just curious...when you see a veiled woman what is ur reaction to her? would you speak to her? do you see her as a threat? (seriously, not minding the stereo types) do you think she cant speak english or something?
What are your thoughts when u see a veiled woman

I'm wouldn't consider her a thread, but then I never consider anyone a threat even though several people are a threat.

 

[S_87]

I'm wouldn't consider her a thread, but then I never consider anyone a threat even though several people are a threat.

the other questions...

 

[Zahida]

Dearest Whatsthepoint............ I am so sorry you feel this way......... Not everyone is alike, no two people are the same it seems you have a chip on your shoulder about the niqaab wearing scenario because it poses a threat????????

When i was about 22 a young British woman wearing a bikini top was riding her bike in London. A passer by snatched her top as he walked past.......? Was she doing the wrong thing by your standards too???? Or was it the right thing?

This woman chooses to wear the niqaab she maybe aware of what others think of her or what goes through other peoples minds...........but i commend her for standing up for herself and her religious beliefs..:smile: