Muslim Population to grow by about 35% over the next 20 years

[Argamemnon]

The fact that the population in "Muslim countries" is increasing doesn't necessarily mean that the numbers of Muslims are increasing ???

I don't know about other Muslim countries, but according to the article below about 58% of Turks define themselves as "totally secular and modern" and dislike Islamic values...

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-234...military-coup-if-necessary-poll-suggests.html

 

[جوري]

The term educated is a bit vague. Do you mean someone who has a degree? I know many people that have a degree but cannot even type a simple letter. Some don't know that Africa is a continent...

he meant educated in the art of self-pleasure and epicureanism-- too interested in the self to care about rug-rats or the well-fare of other beings..

 

[Perseveranze]

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http://islamfortoday.com/ummzaid06.htm​

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Asalaamu Alaikum,

Putting the point in, if people are too dumb to differentiate religion to the actions of a human, not much we can do for them. Don't think it's right to join or STAY in a religion based on how people act in it, should join it based on its values and teachings which you wish to follow.

Islam as a religion challenges you think, not follow or judge something because he or she did it.

 

[titus]

Muslim women have always been better educated than their western counterparts..

Actually the literacy rate of many Muslim majority countries falls below that of the West.

Now if you are comparing Muslims who live in the West with non-Muslims that live in the West you may be right, but this topic is about the worldwide Muslim population.

So you prefer to have less kids because more kids means spending more money on your children rather than yourself... I think another reason might be that women in the west are more likely to be concerned about their body due to the pressure on the mainstream media, so would want less children, in order to stay in shape... In addition, its more likely that educated women want less children because they want to put their careers first rather than focusing on their family life..

I think Woodrow was much closer to the mark.

Not have children in the West has extremely little to do with body issues. While those do exist they are rare. The biggest culprit is prioritizing time.

Those who are educated spend more time in school and therefore usually start families later. Also, since they are educated, they tend to want to an occupation more. Once you go beyond 1 or 2 children then a stay at home parent is practically a requirement unless you happen to be very well off financially.

Those with less education tend to have lower paying jobs, or intend to stay at home anyway and have their other half support them. Those people are going to, therefore, be much more likely to stay home and take care of children and also be willing to have more children.

 

[Argamemnon]

Actually the literacy rate of many Muslim majority countries falls below that of the West.

Thanks for posting this map, Afghanistan and Pakistan and some African nations are so far behind the rest (red colored countries). A literacy rate below 50% is truly dramatic. Very sad indeed.. Libya is a positive surprise to me, they are even better off than Iran (!?) But then, Libya is a very small country compared to Iran.

 

[Argamemnon]

^^ Another interesting fact I have noticed is that China is at the same level as Portugal (90-94%) !! Who would have thought that. Portugal is behind all other European and western countries.

Turkey and Brazil are behind Mexico and China.

 

[Argamemnon]

The term educated is a bit vague. Do you mean someone who has a degree?

I know many people that have a degree but cannot even type a simple letter. Some don't know that Africa is a continent...

I have encountered such types, they think that using certain Latin words makes them smarter than other people ("intellectual") and look down on them, while they themselves are utterly ignorant about the subject they are arguing about. Funny people.

 

[Woodrow]

I think the more interesting statistic is that educated MEN also tend to have fewer children.

I don't have any verifiable facts, but I believe that educated men would be prone to marry educated women. Many if not most get married to women that statistically have fewer children.

However I am suspect that the next biggest growth of Islam is going to be from reverts and not births. I say that because Muslim have been migrating to areas of few Muslims and the non-Muslims are potential Muslims.

 

[Woodrow]

Actually the literacy rate of many Muslim majority countries falls below that of the West.

Now if you are comparing Muslims who live in the West with non-Muslims that live in the West you may be right, but this topic is about the worldwide Muslim population.


I think Woodrow was much closer to the mark.

Not have children in the West has extremely little to do with body issues. While those do exist they are rare. The biggest culprit is prioritizing time.

Those who are educated spend more time in school and therefore usually start families later. Also, since they are educated, they tend to want to an occupation more. Once you go beyond 1 or 2 children then a stay at home parent is practically a requirement unless you happen to be very well off financially.

Those with less education tend to have lower paying jobs, or intend to stay at home anyway and have their other half support them. Those people are going to, therefore, be much more likely to stay home and take care of children and also be willing to have more children.

In your map did you notice that Indonesia the country with the world's largest Muslim population has one of the highest literacy rates.

 

[جوري]

Actually the literacy rate of many Muslim majority countries falls below that of the West.


Now if you are comparing Muslims who live in the West with non-Muslims that live in the West you may be right, but this topic is about the worldwide Muslim population.


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The question is a socio-economic and a geo-political one-- when Muslim women or men are offered an opportunity they fare better than their western counterparts and so tell us your stats. The 'Educated' west is made largely of immigrants and has always taken the opportunity of volatility of certain regions to invite their scholars and intellectuals outside.. As such if you go to any institution private/governmental you'll see it composed mostly of outsiders who are American citizens be they Chinese or Iranians etc. .. It doesn't suddenly elevate your average chawbacon to that of an Illuminati.. it is simply the calculation of the mean!

I wonder how you must comb through statistics now to serve your personal interest merely to avoid falling into the pit that you've created for yourself in the previous thread..


all the best

 

[Argamemnon]

In your map did you notice that Indonesia the country with the world's largest Muslim population has one of the highest literacy rates.

I didn't, thanks for reminding. Masha'Allah, Indonesia is ahead of Turkey.

 

[Argamemnon]

The 'Educated' west is made largely of immigrants and has always taken the opportunity of volatility of certain regions to invite their scholars and intellectuals outside.. As such if you go to any institution private/governmental you'll see it composed mostly of outsiders who are American citizens be they Chinese or Iranians etc. ..

I think that mostly applies to the U.S. and Canada (perhaps also Australia?).. Europe is somewhat different.

 

[جوري]

I think that mostly applies to the U.S. and Canada (perhaps also Australia?).. Europe is somewhat different.

I am not all that familiar with how things run in Europe, however, a while back ''Thinker'' had shared with us a nice PDF about the Muslim Ghettos in Europe and the education level of the Muslim population there and according to that report Muslim women specifically fared better education wise than both atheist/ and christians.

I am pretty sure he'd have taken that portion out if he could, but each of them often undermines his own assertions with something they link us too..

 

[Pygoscelis]

However I am suspect that the next biggest growth of Islam is going to be from reverts and not births. I say that because Muslim have been migrating to areas of few Muslims and the non-Muslims are potential Muslims.

That very well could be. But then I think the question becomes of how devout Islam becomes in the new country. Immigrants may be just as likely to go apostate from their home religion, espcially in future generations, or to become much more liberal in it, maybe even to the point that they become muslims in name only.

I just had a "muslim" family in my office as clients. The mother was clearly more pious than the sons, but even she appeared more liberal than you'd find overseas from what I could tell. No Hijab, no reference to religion at all. I could not tell if she was muslim until she told me they are (and she seemed to find that title important). Meanwhile one of her sons told me he is trying to quit smoking, both tobaco and marijuana. He told me about music he likes and that he recently broke up with a girlfriend his parents never met.

So I think the immigration to convert thing could run in both directions, and could change the kind of Islam that comes to grow in these new lands. Which is either good or bad, depending on your perspective.

 

[Pygoscelis]

The data on Portugal, South Africa, and Argentina all come as surprises to me.

 

[جوري]

Many people don't wear hijab, smoke and listen to Music and are still devoutly Muslim -- they maybe misinformed of what is and what isn't permitted.. I myself used to play the piano and had no clue about the rulings on music!
and I know tons of Muslims who smoke.. my father used a pipe on the weekend for years, he still wrote two books about Islam on the side-- many Muslim women don't wear hijab out of apprehension of being targeted in public..

all the best

 

[Woodrow]

That very well could be. But then I think the question becomes of how devout Islam becomes in the new country. Immigrants may be just as likely to go apostate from their home religion, espcially in future generations, or to become much more liberal in it, maybe even to the point that they become muslims in name only.

Again I point back to Indonesia. Predominantly Muslim and home of the largest number of Muslims. Islam spread there by reverts. Nearly all of it's growth occurred in the 16th Century and was because of people reverting. Islam is still new in the USA in terms of growth, but the jump in the past 10 years has been phenomenal. I do admit a lot of it was from immigration, but the rate of American reverting to Islam has been from 20-30,000 annually for the past couple of years. Not very large in terms of world population, but very impressive considering that not long back very few Americans had ever seen a Muslim in person.

 

[Ramadhan]

Again I point back to Indonesia. Predominantly Muslim and home of the largest number of Muslims. Islam spread there by reverts. Nearly all of it's growth occurred in the 16th Century and was because of people reverting.

+100000000000
(meaning: I totally absolutely support this statement).

The spread of Islam to Indonesia was purely through peaceful reversion.

Islam came to Indonesia brought by traders from Gujarat (India) and Yemen. First in the 12th-13th century in Sumatra and then spread to the eastern part of Indonesia in later centuries.

Islam is still new in the USA in terms of growth, but the jump in the past 10 years has been phenomenal. I do admit a lot of it was from immigration, but the rate of American reverting to Islam has been from 20-30,000 annually for the past couple of years. Not very large in terms of world population, but very impressive considering that not long back very few Americans had ever seen a Muslim in person.

May Allah SWT make Islam prosper in North America. Amiin.

 

[ardianto]

In your map did you notice that Indonesia the country with the world's largest Muslim population has one of the highest literacy rates.

According to UNDP literacy rate in Indonesia in 2005 was 87.9% and in 2009 was 92.0%

Increased 4.1% in 4 years.

 

[titus]

The question is a socio-economic and a geo-political one-- when Muslim women or men are offered an opportunity they fare better than their western counterparts and so tell us your stats. The 'Educated' west is made largely of immigrants and has always taken the opportunity of volatility of certain regions to invite their scholars and intellectuals outside..

Partially correct. When Muslim women are given the oppurtunity that may be true (I do not know the statistics, I'll take your word for it), but the fact remains that (excluding Indonesia and some others (noted Woodrow)) Muslim women as a whole around the world are less educated than the average American or European and that is a major factor in the birth rate.

As such if you go to any institution private/governmental you'll see it composed mostly of outsiders who are American citizens be they Chinese or Iranians etc. .. It doesn't suddenly elevate your average chawbacon to that of an Illuminati.. it is simply the calculation of the mean!

That is true in some cases. The United States does try to gather experts in many fields to move the US. Your assertion that private and government institutions are mostly composed of foreigners is mistaken, although they do often make up a substantial portion.

I wonder how you must comb through statistics now to serve your personal interest merely to avoid falling into the pit that you've created for yourself in the previous thread..

As usual you are trying to turn every thread I am in into a personal attack and accuse me of some sordid deed or intention. I would be interested, though, in hearing what you believe my intent is by starting this thread and what devious personal interest it is that you believe I am trying to fulfill.