Muslim Scholar Seeks Debate With the Pope

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How I wish people would discuss things more rather than getting violent.

ACC said:
Well, the most immediate one would be the al qaida guy yesterday. Just do a search.
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Heh, that's as silly as me saying that a Klansman is representative of the majority of Christian clerics. Come on.
 
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I think the Pope has been attacked enough lol, I don't think its gonna happen tho, I read somewhere the Ahmed Deedat [r] also challenged the Pope to debate once
 
ACC said:
Ah, I can tell you are also biased. Since when do we consider old people unitelligent?.....only when it is convenient for us.

Give that man a column on Catholic weekly, no problem. How about giving the Pope some time in Saudi Arabia :okay: ?
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Salaam,

Obviously you consider old as being unintelligent..

i said do not give the Pope any stress casue he is old.
For the aged,it is not about itnellect but the capcity to argue and what emotional outburst can do to a OLD AND DELICATE SYSTEM,,,

Why should the Pope have an article in Saudi Arabia?

Did saudi Arabia insult Christianity? or Catholics?

Or did the pope insult?

So we want the Pope to learn,not thru pressure but thru discourse.
 
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These people know that if they enter a debate, all their lies will unveiled. So they avoid it with petty excuses because they love their seat of power. They dont realize that death will strip them of everything. Pitiful.

6: 44. So, when they forgot (the warning) with which they had been reminded, We opened to them the gates of every (pleasant) thing, until in the midst of their enjoyment in that which they were given, all of a sudden, We took them to punishment, and lo! They were plunged into destruction with deep regrets and sorrows.
45. So the roots of the people who did wrong were cut off. And all the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinns, and all that exists).



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Ähmed;504520 said:
Allahu Akbar. If the Pope accepts he will be humiliated and if he rejects he will be humiliated. Allah has spoken the Truth.
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What I would give to see that day come! The Vatican has been a thorn in my side from it's very beginning! It's about time!

Ninth Scribe
 
Hana_Aku said:
Al Qaeda?? A spokesperson from Al Qaeda???
Hana
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According to~~~ drags out the ancient rules book~~~ the terms of the Council of the Princes and Elders, the debate should be conducted by the parties who have the most grievance between them. It should not be conducted by moderates who could care less which way the feather falls. I say, bring em!

Ninth Scribe
 
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Ähmed said:
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These people know that if they enter a debate, all their lies will unveiled. So they avoid it with petty excuses because they love their seat of power. They dont realize that death will strip them of everything. Pitiful.
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Reps for you... that's a great reality check!

Ninth Scribe
 
ACC said:
Very true. It is difficult to have an open and full dialogie if you will be restricted as to what you can say.
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Reviews the rule book... this is why the debates are held in private. To minimize humiliation and controversy, as opposed to turning the event into the equivilent of a reality TV show. Also, the debate would not be over with in 24 hours. Some of the ones I've tracked took years to conclude!

This probably explains why the scholars stopped doing it. You'd have to feel so upset, you'd be willing to devote a good portion of your life to the dispute, and spend all those years locked up behind closed doors with the very people you hated.

On the other hand, it would definately discourage frivolous disputes, since this is what is expected from anyone who makes accusation against another.

Ninth Scribe
 
Ninth_Scribe said:
According to~~~ drags out the ancient rules book~~~ the terms of the Council of the Princes and Elders, the debate should be conducted by the parties who have the most grievance between them. It should not be conducted by moderates who could care less which way the feather falls. I say, bring em!

Ninth Scribe
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What exactly are you talking about??? :rollseyes
 
Greetings and peace Ahmed,

If the Pope accepts he will be humiliated
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I am a Catholic and feel saddened by the Pope's lecture that has caused unnecessary friction between Islam and Christianity. I hope he is able to rebuild any bridges of friendship that have been strained by his recent lecture; but only time will tell.

I recently listened to a talk by Dr Naik, and he said he is a man of peace and he also wants peace. I believe that if this is truly the case then he will find ways to make peace with the pope despite what has been said.

Islam is a religion of peace; Christianity is a religion of peace, the same God hears all our prayers. Somehow we need to continue to search for interfaith friendships despite human failings.

In the spirit of praying for peace on Earth

Eric
 
I doubt the Pope would ever take on this challenge. He definitely has an agenda, which is evident by the quote that caused the controversy, but I don't think an open and unrestricted live debate between he and a Muslim scholar is in his immediate plans. I do hope he proves me wrong but I remain unhopeful.
 
salaam

Pope shouldn’t be making statements against Islam unless he wants to or is willing to discuss his statements on T.V with a man who is just as "Intelligent" as he is

All I see here is that when muslims want to discuss the situation and try to set the record straight about some of these misquoted verses from the Quran that everybody is generically programmed to regurgitate than some intimidation comes to play and the world wants to back off

And Im sure the pope is “intelligent” so intelligent that he makes uninformed statements about Islam? Well if you gonna make statements/ reiterate other peoples uninformed statements I say that you have the common “knowledge” to expect a reaction and expect to explain justify the reasons for repeating something offensive about the religion of Haaq
And in the same breath claiming that you had other intentions for repeating such a thing

I would love to see Dr. Zakir Naik’s proposal exepted it would be an eventful discussion
I think it would be very useful to have it id love to see how the pope “handles” the Shaik
 
Hana_Aku said:
What exactly are you talking about??? :rollseyes
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It's a very ancient system that used to be in place to deal with scholarly contests and disputes. I've been collecting fragments of the ancient records to resurrect what I call the Book of Generations and came across bits and pieces of this book... portions of it that had been inserted into other records.

Apparently the concept of scholarly interpretations leading to disputes, isn't new at all - they (the ancestors) have been dealing with these problems for quite some time and they developed a rather ingenious method for resolving them. But, judging from the condition of the records that are left, a war or some other major calamity led to the book's destruction.

Ninth Scribe
 
Quruxbadaan said:
Pope shouldn’t be making statements against Islam unless he wants to or is willing to discuss his statements on T.V with a man who is just as "Intelligent" as he is.
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I'm all for the debate, but I wouldn't want it televised. I'm a little more than peeved about these airings of dirty laundry involving common people, politicians, and especially the military!

Ninth Scribe
 
ACC said:
I agree, although I would love for the Pope to accept since I think he would handle this person rather easily. Of course, I am a little biased :D .
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Handle him easily? You must be Very ignorant and dumb no offence, have you seen Naiks past debates? Where was your christian priests then? They were so Ashamed of themselves that one man at the end of the debate returned back to Islam.
 

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