Muslim Unity: Why Cant We Come Together As One Ummah?

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I think this is quite impossible. I'll use the example of Shia/Sunni. The issue with Shia's is, it's not necassarily their beliefs that can't be tolerated, it's usually when they incorporate that into commiting what Sunni's find as Blasphemy; such as insulting the Sahabah (ra) and the wives (ra) of the Prophet(pbuh).

If such a mentality exists, then never could Sunnis and Shia's be united, it just can't happen under such views/beliefs.
 
Im well aware there are differences between various sects, Sufi, Salafi, Bralvi, Deobandi, Ahle Hadith, Shia etc etc but why cant we put these issues aside and unite for the sake of Islam?
 
None of the groups are Muslim if they put it forward as their "sect" in Islam,
There's only one Islam, that is submission to the Will of God.
The notion of why can't Sunnis and Shias unite is in itself a cause of division, simply because we are categorising and creating denominations,
If we said, "why can't we all unite on the truth", it would be more objective and give reason for everyone to start on common ground, because as soon as one mentions Sunni to a Shia or Shia to a Sunni, it creates a slide and barrier in the brain.
We will soon inshaAllah get together and the scholars will argue points together under the banner of one khalifah, then we will have unity and strength.
 
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well seeing this title ihave to answer..why cant muslims ome together as one Umnah
beasue they are too affeted by cultural national and personal divisions
im not talking about the obvious shia sunni one..
no...but between arabs and non arabs...reverts and non reverts..asian and arab...
you dont agree..just lookat some post only here on this site
there is too muh division resentment and understanding just on interent ccommuniteis let alone across the world
very big cchanges are needed...................
 
Because we are too egoistic to settle our differences even for Allah.

P.s. - Astaghfirullah :cry:
 
A : Hey ..! that's bidah ..!
B : Who said .. ?! it's sunah !
A : Bidah !
B : Sunah !
A : Bidah !
B : Sunah !

Suddenly they hear azan. Then they stop their debate, perform salah jamaah in masjid together. And after they finish their salah ....

A : Bidah !
B : Sunah !
A : Bidah !
B : Sunah !

That's just an illustration, but based on real cases in Indonesia. In Indonesia, Muslims always debate in their never ending debate. It's okay. They can debate until the end of the world, but in the time they should be united, they should be united, like A and B in that illustration.

That's what I have seen in Indonesia. But unfortunately, in some English Islamic forums I found questions like "Am I allowed to salah behind ...." or "If I perform salah behind ........ is my salah valid ?"

Hmmm, maybe those posters need to come to Indonesia.
 
Unity won't be achieved untill the scholars that people follow preach unity instead of, "Stay away from that mosque its a wahabi mosque" "stay away from listening to him he's devient" cos people look up to scholars and follow what they say, if they united then the people who followed them would unite.

It's this kind of attitude that exists amongst everyone

 
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as others have mentioned... too many sects, too many divisions. sects within sects, groups within groups. some views held by certain groups are considered too deviant to be accepted back onto the path of morality.

then there's human emotions and judgement. prejudice. the issues of racism and other unislamic attitudes as such. there's always going to be people who think their beliefs are right and will point fingers at others. some people consider others extremists and others consider groups as people who commit shirk.

as long as over dramatic emotional responses are around the problem won't rid itself.

may Allah (swt) unite this ummah as one in the very near future.
 
♥ Sofia ♥;1482376 said:
too many sects, too many divisions. sects within sects, groups within groups. some views held by certain groups are considered too deviant to be accepted back onto the path of morality.
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I disagree that there are too many sects. Shiites in totality makeup only 10%, they're divided amongst themselves and vocal because they're being sponsored by the agents of the devil, who gave birth to them anyway.. When Germans started flocking to Islam in hundreds of thousands, British sponsored and created Ahmadis opened the biggest center there, to nip in the bud the scary growth, as it would mean only one thing, one very obvious thing.
Problem is not the quantity of us, we're indeed many. Many who are meek and ineffectual as the prophet PBUH described akin to the foam on the ocean waves.
The right path is manifest and it is 90% of the ummah, the subdued ummah who is being muzzled and controlled by the hypocrite and the ignorant of leaders and those who choose to walk in their path-- the truth it isn't occult, it isn't colored by difficulties, tongues or race.

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There's no excuse. Islam is complete, it is all there in the Quran and Sunnah which is incumbent upon us to read and live by.. there are indeed those who follow their own whims and inclinations and what a sad thing that is.

6:56." Say, "I will not follow your desires, for I would then have gone astray, and I would not be of the [rightly] guided."

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truthseeker63 said:
Is Nationalism to blame ?
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Amongst other things.. One of the things that Islam did in its early inception is wipe away any sort of national pride, and warn against sectarianism very openly in the Quran as you see in the verses above.
People desire to follow their whims and think they can stand an open opponent against the law of Allah swt and the result is what you see.
There was a time when I was in ESL and I didn't speak English, we used to have these sort of definition exams, the teacher would define it or she warned against but gave us the option to render our own definition, there were three or four of us, and the ones who always thought they can outsmart the teacher failed, the ones who followed to a T moved on and learned. I don't of course mean to make the teacher akin to God, but to give you a mundane example. The road is defined, the woman was an expert English teacher, why let pride get in the way and think we can outsmart her? pride only stood in the way of progress, moving to other classes like science & math..
The law is already laid out for us and so is the straight path. And as in suret al-kahf for those who wish to follow it and those who choose another road they're certainly welcome to. But they shouldn't complain then about the system or their lives or the division etc etc.

and Allah swt knows best

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alright, not too many sects as in 84768376 of them, maybe i exaggerated - but there's a significant division and 10% of all muslims is MORE than needed and there's probably many more amongst the 'guided' who seem to have gone off the straight path... wallahu alam. may Allah guide them.

the problem isn't the number of different groups at the end of the day. yes, scattered groups within one ummah is a problem in itself, but it's all the different 'proofs' people have and how persistent people are in trying to prove one another wrong which causes more tension than necessary.
 
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Vision said:
Muslim Unity: Why Cant We Come Together As One Ummah?
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It depends what exactly it is, that you want the ummah to come together on.

If you mean coming together on Islam, as practised by the Prophet :saws: and his sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) and not deviating from that, then absolutely, why can't we? We should leave every way that doesn't conform to the practice and belief of the Prophet :saws: and his companions, may Allah be pleased with them.

If you mean coming together to put rose tinted specs on, and not seeing injustices nor speaking out against them, then unity on that will inshaa'Allah will never happen, because there will always be a group that will speak out against injustice.

If we don't recognise that something's wrong, we can't put it right...

For change to occur, first we need to come together on Islam as practised by the prophet :saws: and sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them), and not be as an ummah (leaders especially) subservient to taaghoot. That in itself will solve a lot of problems inshaa'Allah.

For any problems that do remain, because the ummah will recognise that there are problems, there are injustices, there are things that need improving, we can work out what needs to be done, and then do it.
 
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We're humans. We will always find something to disagree about. In what way do you want Muslims to unite?
 
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We're humans. We will always find something to disagree about. In what way do you want Muslims to unite?
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under one Caliph who we all accept, on the truth - without prejudice, let the scholars debate in the presence of the caliph and accept the final opinion of the Caliph,
then the only sects will be Muslim, Munafiq, and Kafir
 
^ I think even then there will be disagreements, not towards Islam but other issues.
 
that's inevitable, and actually beneficial.
abu bakr (ra) and 'Umar (ra) would constantly argue in the presence of Allah's messenger (pbuh),
and the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) would listen to both attentively before coming to a decision,
when things were major, he would call together a council of the accepted leaders and let them give their arguments ,
then he would come to a decision.
 
Even choosing a caliph will lead to another fight altogether, Ahl-e-hadeeth will want their member to be caliph and so will tableeghi-jamaat, jamaat-e-Islami etc. Nowadays, I'm also noticing the upsurge in the number of arguments over the Four Imaams. Thus, Hanafis won't tolerate Shafi'is, Hambali's won't listen to Malikis so on and so forth. :heated:
 
Good question. I'm still trying to figure this one out as I am still relatively new to Islam. I've seen unity on a micro-level...
 

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