Muslim woman wins case of 'refusing to shake men's hands'

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Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

002.256 - QURAN

:) i hope this clears up misconceptions inshaAllah

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~Mu'MiNaH~ said:
Excuuuuuse me! Why do you assume that me being covered head to toe is extremism? If it isn't about women's bodies then why the hell are you all so desperate to see us? WE CAN COVER UP IF WE WANT TO! Why isn't my personality enough? Democracy, freedom for all? Puleez!
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Is this directed at me?

Let me first state that I think the ban on the hijab is a mistake and runs contrary to liberal democracy. So I believe you should certainly have the right to wear one. However, I also believe others should have the right to, say, stop socializing with you or refuse to hire you.
 
Abd'Majid said:
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

002.256 - QURAN

:) i hope this clears up misconceptions inshaAllah

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the above clearly shows that muslims believe any forced action is wrong! HARAM!

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KAding said:
Is this directed at me?

Let me first state that I think the ban on the hijab is a mistake and runs contrary to liberal democracy. So I believe you should certainly have the right to wear one. However, I also believe others should have the right to, say, stop socializing with you or refuse to hire you.
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That is blatant discrimination. Socialise or don't socialise with Muslims, that's your problem. But to not hire someone because they are practicing their faith in a way that does not even concern you?
 
Abd'Majid said:
lol heigou, the women are given a choice, the men are given a choice. We are told to preach and discuss matters in a beautiful manner. However after we reveal wat we hav to reveal its completely up to the person whether they wish to accept the truth revealed or reject it. Where is the compulsion? If u dont wanna pray, dont pray, if u dont wanna cover up, dont cover up, but dont go think u wont go to hell becoz thats juuuust where ur headed lol :p
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And yet Muslims have traditionally appointed muhtasib in order to enforce Islamic legal requirements. It is not that they have stuck to preaching, but they have also moved on to enforcing. If you do not want to pray, well, there used to be people in many Muslim countries who would "command the good" and make you. You think this is not Islamic?
 
KAding said:
Is this directed at me?

Let me first state that I think the ban on the hijab is a mistake and runs contrary to liberal democracy. So I believe you should certainly have the right to wear one. However, I also believe others should have the right to, say, stop socializing with you or refuse to hire you.
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I don't.

Socialising is different, you can't control that. If people want to be ignorant, they'll be ignorant. What should not be condoned is employment discrimination. I'm confused as to why you appear to condone such treatment?
 
Abd'Majid said:
what are u talkin about? read the post at the begining!? whos free? sisters are being forced to reveal themselves? WHERES FREEDOME :grumbling

Peace
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I agree. That is indeed bad. I disagree with that ban in the Netherlands. We are talking here about a ban on the burqa, not a normal headscarf. These muslim dresses are confusing me :sister:.
 
HeiGou said:
And yet Muslims have traditionally appointed muhtasib in order to enforce Islamic legal requirements. It is not that they have stuck to preaching, but they have also moved on to enforcing. If you do not want to pray, well, there used to be people in many Muslim countries who would "command the good" and make you. You think this is not Islamic?
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002.256 There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

the true muslim will obey the above heigou :) so any1 who is forced (oppressed) should rest knowing the oppressor will be dealth wiv as he is in the wrong.

peace :)
 
Abd'Majid said:
002.256 There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

the true muslim will obey the above heigou :) so any1 who is forced (oppressed) should rest knowing the oppressor will be dealth wiv as he is in the wrong.
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And yet there have been dozens of threads around here recently about the Afghan Christian guy and the consensus seems to be that there is complusion in Islam. This looks like an aborgated verse to me, or at least one that applies to the internal spiritual life of people - not one that applies generally. Do you think that apostates should be allowed to believe what they want?

Promises of justice on the Day of Judgement do not do much to comfort people who would, by and large, rather not be oppressed here and now.
 
Abd'Majid said:
Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

002.256 - QURAN

:) i hope this clears up misconceptions inshaAllah

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Thank you for clearing that up. However, how come countries that officially practise Sharia do have compulsion regarding the head scarf? Like Iran and Saudi Arabia?
 
HeiGou said:
And yet there have been dozens of threads around here recently about the Afghan Christian guy and the consensus seems to be that there is complusion in Islam.
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Whoever is invoking the compulsion is obviously in the wrong. He is a tyrant.

Promises of justice on the Day of Judgement do not do much to comfort people who would, by and large, rather not be oppressed here and now.
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that is the problem with the people, they lack faith and patience. Without these two things happiness will never truelly exist in the people.

Peace :)
 
KAding said:
Thank you for clearing that up. However, how come countries that officially practise Sharia do have compulsion regarding the head scarf? Like Iran and Saudi Arabia?
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please look at my above post, clearly the ones invoking compulsion are wrong! and look at this hadith by sahih muslim which is very authentic:

Book 043, Number 7180:
Jabir reported that 'Abdullah b. Ubayy b. Salul used to say to his slave-girl: Go and fetch something for us by committing prostitution. It was in this connection that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this verse:" And compel not your slave-girls to prostitution when they desire to keep chaste in order to seek the frail goods of this world's life, and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful" (xxiv. 33).

this clearly shows that Allah hates those who force any human to do anything. Allah will judge between them on the day of judgement whether they go heaven or hell but they may use there own freewill and decide what they should do! We can only reveal the truth to them! They must accept and act upon it!

Peace :)
 
Doesn't all this 'There shall be no compulsion in religion' stuff belong in a different thread? I thought this one was about a Muslim woman winning her case, and also about discrimination in employment.
 
~Mu'MiNaH~ said:
That is blatant discrimination. Socialise or don't socialise with Muslims, that's your problem. But to not hire someone because they are practicing their faith in a way that does not even concern you?
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If people really do that I would not respect them. I would fully support social pressure or boycot to try them to stop their discrimatory behavior. However, I do not believe compulsion works in this case. Forcing them to hire someone they do not want is not a good solution. I do not believe free citizens should have to explain their actions to the government all the time.

If you own a company you should be free to hire who you want. Ideally that is. As I have explained I believe discrimination based on natural attributes, like race and gender, should no be allowed, but even that is debatable. I also understand that in certain social circumstances compulsion might be necesarry, but this freedom should be the guiding principle.
 
Abd'Majid said:
please look at my above post, clearly the ones invoking compulsion are wrong! and look at this hadith by sahih muslim which is very authentic:

Book 043, Number 7180:
Jabir reported that 'Abdullah b. Ubayy b. Salul used to say to his slave-girl: Go and fetch something for us by committing prostitution. It was in this connection that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, revealed this verse:" And compel not your slave-girls to prostitution when they desire to keep chaste in order to seek the frail goods of this world's life, and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful" (xxiv. 33).

this clearly shows that Allah hates those who force any human to do anything. Allah will judge between them on the day of judgement whether they go heaven or hell but they may use there own freewill and decide what they should do! We can only reveal the truth to them! They must accept and act upon it!

Peace :)
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Thank you for the explanation. Good to hear :).

So here we both have countries within our own cultures that appear to be misinterpreting the basic foundations on which they are built. On the one hand a ban of the burqa in Holland and headscarfs in public schools in France, contrary to the principles of liberal democracy. And on the other Iran and Saudi Arabia with compulsion regarding the head scarf, contrary to the Quranic verse quoted above. :heated:
 
KAding said:
Thank you for the explanation. Good to hear :).

So here we both have countries within our own cultures that appear to be misinterpreting the basic foundations on which they are built. On the one hand a ban of the burqa in Holland and headscarfs in public schools in France, contrary to the principles of liberal democracy. And on the other Iran and Saudi Arabia with compulsion regarding the head scarf, contrary to the Quranic verse quoted above. :heated:
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^ exactly, wat a mess this world is in, if only people acted upon the beautiful knowledge they recieve.

peace :)

PS: heigou is very reasonable :)
 
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No.1 saudi arabia and iran do not establish shari'ah, this is a lie.
No.2 some laws in shari'ah are compulsory e.g not stealing
But when it comes to some parts of Islam it cannot be forced, e.g praying
We do not force someone to accept Islam, so how is shari'ah forced?
 

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