Muslim World Silent on Syrian Government Massacre

[GuestFellow]

Sometimes I have seen Muslims unintentionally cause divisions within the Ummah through arguments and support for nationalism. :/

 

[جوري]

:wa:

I personally will not label other sects as kaffir. I'm not going to risk it. I rather just correct other Muslims rather than label them. If they choose not to believe me, that so be it.

I'll leave it to responsible Islamic scholars to point out who are not practicing Islam correctly.

BTW, welcome back. Hope your doing well.

Salamz akhi in shaa Allah this finds you well,

They ARE NOT sect of Islam to begin with there should be no sectarianism in Islam but I'll give it some shias especially those of Lebanon are very close to Sunnis even pray as we do. But these people Alawis are like Ahamdis there's nothing remotely close to Islam about them. They don't even believe in heaven or hell etc. they've odd eccentric beliefs which include reincarnation.. Do you think reincarnation has anything to do with Islam? Islam isn't a catch all phrase it is to submit to Allah swt and take no partners they don't even subscribe to that. It is said that Bashar 'converted' before he swore office only to gain a seat so exactly what does that mean in your book to convert? to me it means he's a non-Muslim and he still is..

 

[جوري]

Sometimes I have seen Muslims unintentionally cause divisions within the Ummah through arguments and support for nationalism. :/

Nationalists and bad Muslims are one thing, being completely outside the folds of Islam and calling oneself a Muslim is another thing all together and it is really alarming because I don't want these people who have human bodies but evil souls to be counted as Muslims and they shouldn't be since they're not!

 

[Roasted Cashew]

Then perhaps you should read a little bit more about their beliefs before writing all together?

I am. So far, I don't like what I am reading. Maybe I have to change Muslim on Muslim to "Arab on Arab"

They've already been declared by the scholars as kaffirs

According to the article on Wikipedia, the prominent Sunni Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, issued a fatwah recognizing them as part of the Muslim community in the interest of Arab nationalism. They cite two references to back this up.

 

[جوري]

I am. So far, I don't like what I am reading. Maybe I have to change Muslim on Muslim to "Arab on Arab"

Share then of your reading what their beliefs are!
The last portion of your statement has no relevance to the premise!

According to the article on Wikipedia, the prominent Sunni Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni, issued a fatwah recognizing them as part of the Muslim community in the interest of Arab nationalism. They cite two references to back this up.

Christians of the Arab world are also a part of the community in the interest of 'Arab nationalism' what's your point with regards to their beliefs?

btw as an addendum, grand muftis are usually yes men for govt. Officials just have a look at al azhar mufti ali jomaa who celebrated his birthday in Israel.
Try to cement your work with actual scholarly work not what you can google to save face. You know it is ok to let go of the bias of your mind if something comes along that's more convincing!

best,

 

[Abz2000]

i believe Obama isn't a Muslim aswell!

jus coz fox news says it doesn't mean i have to believe it

 

[Abz2000]

and neither was castro:

Operation Northwoods was a series of false-flag proposals that originated in 1962 within the United States government, and which the Kennedy administration rejected. [SUP][2][/SUP] The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[SUP][3][/SUP] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington."
Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

"The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."

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Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense.

ABC NEWS
By David Ruppe
N E W Y O R K,
May 1, 2001

In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1#.T8bGolK8iWw

here's the full memorandum for anyone who may still be gullible to the satanic plots of the great satan:

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf

the first question an investigator asks is: cui bono (who benefits), and it's certainly not the baathist assad.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

even though al-assad is ont behind all massacres, he is still behind bloodsheds and oppression of muslim brotherhood. so, he needs to be toppled. syrians should not accept nato nor assad. but yeah...its too late for saying this, nato needs to invade for it to wake up the syrians and who the real Satan is.

 

[Abz2000]

Dhu Mukhammar said, "The Prophet (S) said, 'You will make a peace-treaty with the Romans, and together you will invade an enemy beyond Rome. You will be victorious and take much booty. Then you will camp in a hilly pasture; one of the Roman men will come and raise a cross and say "Victory to the Cross", so one of the Muslims will come and kill him.
Then the Romans will break the treaty, and there will be a battle. They will gather an army against you and come against you with eighty banners, each banner followed by ten thousand men.'" (Ahmad, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah.)

The Last Hour would not come until the Romans would land at al-A'maq or in Dabiq.An army consisting of the bestof the people of the earthat that time will come from Medina (to oppose them).
When they will arrange themselves in ranks, the Romans (i.e. All the white Europeans including the Americans)would say: Do not stand between us and those (Muslims) who took prisoners from amongst us. Let us fight with them; and the Muslims would say: Nay, by Allah, we would never get aside from you and from our brethren that you may fight them.
They will then fight and a third (part)of the army would run away, whom Allah will never forgive. A third (part of the army), which would be constituted of excellent martyrs in Allah's eye, would be killed and the third who would never be put to trial would win and they would be conquerors of Constantinople.

 

[Aprender]

[h=1]China, Russia United Against Intervention in Syria[/h]
BATUMI, Georigia - China and Russia say they are united in opposing foreign intervention in Syria. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is to meet with allies Wednesday in Turkey to discuss how best to pursue a political transition to end President Bashar al-Assad's rule.

Secretary of State Clinton says it is "pretty clear" that the main focus of international diplomacy must be on intensifying efforts to speed a political transition in Syria.

"We believe there is a way forward and we are going to continue to pursue that and we invite the Russians and the Chinese to be part of the solution of what is happening in Syria," she said.

But China and Russia remain opposed to any effort to force Syria's President Bashar al-Assad from power, a position their leaders re-stated again on Tuesday.

http://www.voanews.com/content/china-russia-united-against-intervention-in-syria/1149364.html

 

[Abz2000]

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton met with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrovto and said she had urged him to "push harder".

http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFBRE84S0P320120603?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

Meanwhile:

[video=youtube;P-6cECO3XMA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P-6cECO3XMA#![/video]

Allahu Akbar!

 

[Aprender]

And now:

[h=1]FLOOR STATEMENT BY SENATOR JOHN McCAIN ON SYRIA[/h] [h=4]June 7, 2012[/h] [FONT=&quot]“Mr. President: Before the Senator from Connecticut and I join in a colloquy on the situation in Syria, I would like to make some brief remarks on that subject.
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[FONT=&quot]“It should come as no surprise to any of my colleagues, and it certainly comes as no surprise to me, that the civil war raging in Syria has only deteriorated further over the past two weeks. On Saturday, May 26, we read the horrific news of a massacre that Bashar al-Assad’s forces committed in the Syrian town of Houla. At least 108 civilians, the majority of them women and children, are now believed to have been killed – some from repeated shelling by Assad’s tanks and artillery, but most slaughtered in their homes and executed in the streets. Survivors describe a scene so gruesome that, even after 16 months of bloodshed and more than 10,000 dead, it still manages to shock the conscience. There are now reports of another massacre by Assad’s forces, with as many as 78 Syrians dead, and that Syrian authorities are blocking access to the scene for the U.N. monitors on the ground. [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]“These massacres of civilians are sickening and evil, but it is only the latest and most appalling evidence that there is no limit to the savagery of Assad and his forces. They will do anything, kill anyone, and stop at nothing to hold onto power. And what has been the response of the United States and the rest of the civilized world to this most recent mass atrocity in Syria? More empty words of scorn and condemnation. More hollow pledges that the killing must stop. More strained expressions of amazement at what has become so tragically commonplace.
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[FONT=&quot]“Indeed, as Jeffrey Goldberg has noted, Administration officials are now at risk of running out of superlative adjectives and adverbs with which to condemn the violence in Syria. They have called it, quote, ‘heinous,’ ‘outrageous,’ ‘unforgiveable,’ ‘breathtaking,’ ‘disgraceful,’ and many other synonyms for the same. I do not know what else they can call it. And yet, the killing goes on.

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[FONT=&quot]"[/FONT][FONT=&quot]The Administration now appears to be so desperate that they are returning to old ideas that have already been tried and failed. Let me quote from a New York Times article that appeared on May 27: [/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]“‘In a new effort to halt more than a year of bloodshed in Syria, President Obama will push for the departure of President Bashar al-Assad under a proposal modeled on the transition in another strife-torn Arab country, Yemen…. The success of the plan hinges on Russia, one of Mr. Assad’s staunchest allies, which has strongly opposed his removal.’

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[FONT=&quot]“This is a case of history repeating itself as farce. Trying to enlist Russia in a policy of regime change in Syria is exactly what the Administration spent months doing earlier this year, and that approach was decisively rejected by Russia when it vetoed a toothless sanctions resolution in the U.N. Security Council in February.
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[FONT=&quot]“And how is this recycled policy working out? Well, last week, a human rights organization disclosed that on May 26, a Russian ship delivered the latest Russian supply of heavy weapons to the Assad regime in the port of Tartus. Last Friday, the Russian Foreign Ministry issued a statement on the Houla massacre – and blamed it on the opposition. President Putin, after blowing off a trip to Washington in favor of a visit to Europe, suggested that foreign powers were also to blame for the Houla massacre. He went on to reject further sanctions on the Assad regime and to deny that Russia is shipping any relevant weapons to Assad.
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[FONT=&quot]“Not to be outdone, the Russian Foreign Minister, also last week, described the situation in Syria this way: ‘It takes two to dance – although this seems less like a tango and more like a disco, where several dozens are taking part at once.’
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[FONT=&quot]“You might think this alone would be enough to disabuse the Administration of its insistence, against all empirical evidence, that Russia is the key to ending the violence in Syria. You might think so, but you would be wrong. Asked last week whether he could envision some kind of military intervention in Syria without a U.N. Security Council resolution, which is subject to a Russian and Chinese veto, the Secretary of Defense said no, he cannot envision it. Similarly, the White House spokesman, Jay Carney, rejected the idea of providing weapons to the Syrian people to help them defend themselves, saying that would lead to, quote, ‘chaos and carnage.’ The White House, he said, prefers not to militarize the conflict.
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[FONT=&quot]“It is difficult even to muster a response to statements and actions such as these. U.S. policy in Syria now seems to be subject to the approval of Russian leaders who are arming Assad’s forces and who believe that the slaughter of more than 10,000 people in Syria can be compared to a disco party. Meanwhile, the Administration refuses even to provide weapons to Syrians who are struggling and dying in an unfair fight – all for fear of, quote, ‘militarizing the conflict.’ If only the Russians, and the Iranians, and Al-Qaeda shared that lofty sentiment.
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[FONT=&quot]“I pray that President Obama will finally realize what President Clinton came to understand during the Balkans wars. President Clinton – who took military action to stop ethnic cleansing in Bosnia, and who did so in Kosovo without a U.N. Security Council mandate – ultimately understood that, when regimes are willing to commit any atrocity to stay in power, diplomacy cannot succeed until the military balance of power changes on the ground. As long as Assad and his foreign supporters think they can win militarily, which they do, they will continue fighting, and more Syrians will die. In short, military intervention of some kind is a prerequisite to the political resolution of the conflict that we all want to achieve.
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[FONT=&quot]“The question I would pose to my colleague from Connecticut, and to the Administration, is this: How many more have to die? How many more people have to die in Syria before the United States will assume its responsibility of leadership?"[/FONT]
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[Jedi_Mindset]

Oh dear, not obama, US MUST not invade Syria. We know what they did in iraq, libya and afghanistan. Oh muslims when will we wake up? Don't take such jews and christians as allies, not even with supplying arms.

The zionist alliance is infact the judeo-christian alliance.

 

[White Rose]

Meanwhile:



Allahu Akbar!

Subhan Allah, thanks for posting. Made me feel much better knowing that Allah is with them.