Muslims and Freemasonry?

[north_malaysian]

How would i pronounce jinn..is it like G..I..N or like geen or jeenie?

like "Genie"

 

[KittenLover]

like Geenie but it's typed as jinn, they're made from fire Allah tells us, and we're made fromy clay, when he showed arrogance and thought he was superior to adam and he knew better than God that's when be came the cursed one. and he asked god to let him live so that he can show mankinds ungratefull ness to God.

and god granted him his wish, so the battle field was set as Earth, and the war begun between mankind and shaytaan on Earth. And since the beginning of time it's been an on going war, shaytaan even said "man will be easy to conqour he's a shallow hollow individual made from clay"

so god is testing us to see which of us follow the devil and which of us are obediant to him. the devil calls you to follow desires that Allah has forbidden such as fornication, and on the day of judgement when mankind is blaming the devil, he will say " Do not blame me, for I only whispered the idea into your head, it was you who listened to me".

the devil never became the devil cos he was disobediant, if that was the case all of us would be devils cos we're all disobediant and sinful, he became the devil cos he thought he knew better than Allah.

 

[Italianguy]

like "Genie"

Ahhhhh I got it now...Thanks! ........Maybe had i spelled genie right I would have gotten a quicker answer;D

Sorry it's hard replying to all these threads on my iphone while walking through a store monitoring my wife, Zainab and the rest of the bunch.;D

 

[Amadeus85]

you accept this stance on the prophet David?

What You mean exaclty Skye?

 

[جوري]

What You mean exaclty Skye?

this:

Kings 11:4 When Salomon got old, his wives turned his heart into foreign gods, so that his heart wasn't as pue to Lord, like the heart of his father, David. 5 Began to worhsip Astarte, the goddes of Sydonians, and Milkom, the atrocity of Ammonites. 6 Salomon commited disobedience to his Lord, and he didnt show obedience to Lord like his father, David, did. 7 Salomon built also a statue for Kemos, moabian god, on the mountain on east of Jerusalem, and to Milkom, the atrocity of Ammonites. 8 Same he did to his foreign wives, igniting incenses and making sacrificies to their gods.


you believe this to be true?

 

[Cabdullahi]

this:

Kings 11:4 When Salomon got old, his wives turned his heart into foreign gods, so that his heart wasn't as pue to Lord, like the heart of his father, David. 5 Began to worhsip Astarte, the goddes of Sydonians, and Milkom, the atrocity of Ammonites. 6 Salomon commited disobedience to his Lord, and he didnt show obedience to Lord like his father, David, did. 7 Salomon built also a statue for Kemos, moabian god, on the mountain on east of Jerusalem, and to Milkom, the atrocity of Ammonites. 8 Same he did to his foreign wives, igniting incenses and making sacrificies to their gods.


you believe this to be true?

Dont test the pole!

 

[جوري]

Dont test the pole!

I am not testing.. I am amused that such revilement are written of God's chosen messengers in what allegedly should be 'divine revelations' Imagine Paul holding a better status than the prophet Daoud... Sob7an Allah...

 

[Hamza Asadullah]

Open your eyes to the plan of these satanists:

Free Masons War Against Islam Part 1/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLroyYtbf1o

Free Masons War Against Islam Part 2/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uMyEkJCXOQ

Free Masons War Against Islam Part 3/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIN2hZLXrC4

Free Masons War Against Islam Part 4/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyQ9kR6764k

Free Masons War Against Islam Part 5/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVEifQd34IA

Free Masons War Against Islam Part 6/6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp2WP-BDsIs

 

[RickHolm]

Whew...

I was in the order of DeMolay growing up, an off shoot of freemasonry. I joined because I wanted to....

That being said, they had the bible, and the QUr'an on the altar, and any other holy book. We also prayed to God in a general service.

There is nothing "evil" there - we just learned good values. Sticking up for yourself, not doing drugs.

These were shwona s dramatic plays, which were called "Ritual". We all sat down as two people held a crown and they stopped at different stations - someone would put a jewel on the crown, and teach about Loyalty. Another about Selfless Service, and so on like that.

Great experience, nothing to do with Satan.

 

[Cabdullahi]

Whew...

I was in the order of DeMolay growing up, an off shoot of freemasonry. I joined because I wanted to....

That being said, they had the bible, and the QUr'an on the altar, and any other holy book. We also prayed to God in a general service.

There is nothing "evil" there - we just learned good values. Sticking up for yourself, not doing drugs.

These were shwona s dramatic plays, which were called "Ritual". We all sat down as two people held a crown and they stopped at different stations - someone would put a jewel on the crown, and teach about Loyalty. Another about Selfless Service, and so on like that.

Great experience, nothing to do with Satan.

This guy is funny you're making freemasonry sound as a harmless and innocent social club...
and i dont believe the quran was there at all..why would they put a quran there when you stated that you all prayed together that quran must be really dusty then , because a Muslim can only be in congregation with other Muslims in a mosque or musala and they must only use their scripture ''the quran'' and not a mixture of other holy books ;D.

Demolay is just the same as alpha in its purpose which is the british version if you like

"The Hidden Secrets of the Alpha Course" by New Zealander John D. Christian exposes the insidious Illuminati Alpha Course as occult indoctrination posing as an introduction to Christianity.

"Alpha" is being used in over 150 countries encompassing 49 different languages. It has infiltrated the homes, schools, universities, business, hospitals, prisons, churches and even the military.

Since London is known to be the headquarters of the occult, it is not surprising that the Alpha originated there. In 1970 an English cleric, Charles Marnham, devised a four- week series of lessons for non-churchgoers and new Christians. In 1981, Nicky Gumbel, a former barrister of Holy Trinity Brompton, extended the course to 8 weeks. This is how the fastest growing ecumenical evangelization program in world history began.

http://www.henrymakow.com/book_exposes_illuminati_alpha.html

Demolay is occult indoctrination posing as an introduction to learning good values. Sticking up for yourself and not doing drugs

 

[RickHolm]

This guy is funny you're making freemasonry sound as a harmless and innocent social club...
and i dont believe the quran was there at all..why would they put a quran there when you stated that you all prayed together that quran must be really dusty then , because a Muslim can only be in congregation with other Muslims in a mosque or musala and they must only use their scripture ''the quran'' and not a mixture of other holy books ;D.

Demolay is just the same as alpha in its purpose which is the british version if you like

"The Hidden Secrets of the Alpha Course" by New Zealander John D. Christian exposes the insidious Illuminati Alpha Course as occult indoctrination posing as an introduction to Christianity.

"Alpha" is being used in over 150 countries encompassing 49 different languages. It has infiltrated the homes, schools, universities, business, hospitals, prisons, churches and even the military.

Since London is known to be the headquarters of the occult, it is not surprising that the Alpha originated there. In 1970 an English cleric, Charles Marnham, devised a four- week series of lessons for non-churchgoers and new Christians. In 1981, Nicky Gumbel, a former barrister of Holy Trinity Brompton, extended the course to 8 weeks. This is how the fastest growing ecumenical evangelization program in world history began.

http://www.henrymakow.com/book_exposes_illuminati_alpha.html

Demolay is occult indoctrination posing as an introduction to learning good values. Sticking up for yourself and not doing drugs

I fail to see how general prayer for all of humanity MUST be done in a mosque, and with only muslims. Unless of course you believe that in order to pray, you must be doing Salat...

In which case, I truly feel sorry for you if you can only connect to God with other muslims (there goes work) or during Salat (well, better then nothing) .

And you can only have a Quran not near other books? Gee, ther goes respect for other believers of "the book"...

I have never heard of this Alpha group, nor do I actually care. You see, you already have preset ideas about freemasonry. Just like every american has about islam. You believe only what you hear and read -because- thats all you want to believe.

In any case, if you'd rather not listen to a person whose been there, instead of some guy creating fanciful stories, then... maybe I should listen to the angry pastor at the local church about Islam instead of the muslim next door.

 

[Cabdullahi]

I fail to see how general prayer for all of humanity MUST be done in a mosque, and with only muslims. Unless of course you believe that in order to pray, you must be doing Salat...

What the heck is a general prayer ?? i only know of a general gathering or discussion by different people with various faiths but i dont know what a general prayer is...i hope its not '' we will pray using the bible today and on tuesday we'll use the quran '' because thats doo-doo

In which case, I truly feel sorry for you if you can only connect to God with other muslims (there goes work) or during Salat (well, better then nothing) .

that's the only way im afraid so keep feeling sorry
its impossible to connect to god with a christian that believes in '3 gods' or a hindu that believes in 'countless gods'

And you can only have a Quran not near other books? Gee, ther goes respect for other believers of "the book"...

My good old friend rickyholmes the books of the other believers are interpolated

I have never heard of this Alpha group, nor do I actually care. You see, you already have preset ideas about freemasonry. Just like every american has about islam. You believe only what you hear and read -because- thats all you want to believe.

In any case, if you'd rather not listen to a person whose been there, instead of some guy creating fanciful stories, then... maybe I should listen to the angry pastor at the local church about Islam instead of the muslim next door.

for this i'll just say '' Demolay is occult indoctrination posing as an introduction to learning good values. Sticking up for yourself and not doing drugs....listening to the angry pastor atleast got you here on this forum eager to learn about islam to clear your misconceptions

 

[glo]

I agree with Rick that listening to people who have actually been part of something or attended something gives us probably a better picture than reading and believing the information given on some obscure website or another ...

Well then, Rick can tell us first-hand about the order of DeMolay.

And if anybody wants to know more about the Alpha course, I am happy to answer any questions. I have helped run a course myself ... and there certainly wasn't anything occult going on!
It is a simple course to enable people to learn about the basic tenets of the Christians faith, to explore it, ask questions and engage with it. Very low-key and light-hearted, really.

Rick, do you feel the DeMolay have offered you benefits for growing up? (I don't know the faintest thing about this group)
What kind of values did you learn from it?
Has it influenced you in becoming a pagan?

 

[Amadeus85]

this:

Kings 11:4 When Salomon got old, his wives turned his heart into foreign gods, so that his heart wasn't as pue to Lord, like the heart of his father, David. 5 Began to worhsip Astarte, the goddes of Sydonians, and Milkom, the atrocity of Ammonites. 6 Salomon commited disobedience to his Lord, and he didnt show obedience to Lord like his father, David, did. 7 Salomon built also a statue for Kemos, moabian god, on the mountain on east of Jerusalem, and to Milkom, the atrocity of Ammonites. 8 Same he did to his foreign wives, igniting incenses and making sacrificies to their gods.


you believe this to be true?

You mean this?
I think that I know what You mean, that's my mistake, I'm sorry.
Because I translated it from a polish sentences.
My translation could give impression that David did same like his son Salomon.
But it Was Not my intention.
I should have written like this - "6 Salomon commited disobedience to his Lord, and he didnt show obedience to Lord UNlike his father, David, did"

Is this what You mean or it's something else Skye? If this is what You mean, so it was my language mistake, sorry.

 

[Amadeus85]

Dont test the pole!

Lol, I'm gonna use it dude, but next time please write Pole with big P. ;D

 

[جوري]

yes that is what I meant.. but now Solomon too committed disobedience to his lord?

 

[RickHolm]

What the heck is a general prayer ?? i only know of a general gathering or discussion by different people with various faiths but i dont know what a general prayer is...i hope its not '' we will pray using the bible today and on tuesday we'll use the quran '' because thats doo-doo



that's the only way im afraid so keep feeling sorry
its impossible to connect to god with a christian that believes in '3 gods' or a hindu that believes in 'countless gods'



My good old friend rickyholmes the books of the other believers are interpolated



for this i'll just say '' Demolay is occult indoctrination posing as an introduction to learning good values. Sticking up for yourself and not doing drugs

A "general prayer" is a prayer for everyone, just using the name of God. Not Jesus, not muhammad, not moses (PBU all of them). It is just a general prayer. Why is this a hard concept to grasp - to thank God, to pray for everyones safety, and so on. No Wudu needed here.

Simple as this - Christians, hindus, etc. all have oen god at the center. Even Hindus. God is one, and each and every god is an aspect of that deity. Here they would pay homage to the Brahman, or the source of all those Gods. For christains, it would be God the father. In short, any religion with a higher power - a prerequiste to becoming a Freemason/DeMolay member.

In this concept: Do you know the meaning of Occult? It simply means hidden. The same way someone could consider the 100th name of Allah(swt) as "Occult".

To glo:

Actually, no. DeMolay has made me interested in Abrahamic faiths. Growing up it taught me to respect women, and to help others and perform in charities, something I would normally never do. For me, it was a gateway to other religious understandings. As I became more Pagan, I moved away from DeMolay - but some of the values were there, to a lesser extent. This is why I am defending them so well - they have helped me a whole lot.

And I fail to see how being "occult" is bad - I guess more irrational fear from people.

 

[Amadeus85]

yes that is what I meant.. but now Solomon too committed disobedience to his lord?

Look,

11:1 But king Solomon loved many strange women, together with the daughter of Pharaoh, women of the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, Zidonians, and Hittites:

11:2 Of the nations concerning which the LORD said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall not go in to them, neither shall they come in unto you: for surely they will turn away your heart after their gods: Solomon clave unto these in love.

11:3 And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines: and his wives turned away his heart.

11:4 For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father.

11:5 For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites.

11:6 And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father.

11:7 Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon.

11:8 And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods.

11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned from the LORD God of Israel, which had appeared unto him twice,

11:10 And had commanded him concerning this thing, that he should not go after other gods: but he kept not that which the LORD commanded.

If this is written in Bible, so I trust it.

 

[glo]

And I fail to see how being "occult" is bad - I guess more irrational fear from people.

I suppose it depends how you define 'occult'.
I have never really thought about it ...
I have always assumed that 'occult' is against Christian teachings - but I would have to do some further research to find out if that's the case.

Of course, even if it was (against Christian teachings, that is), that doesn't mean that you, as a non-Christian, would have to perceive it as something negative.

Do you engage in 'occult' practices? If so, what are they?

 

[Cabdullahi]

A "general prayer" is a prayer for everyone, just using the name of God. Not Jesus, not muhammad, not moses (PBU all of them). It is just a general prayer. Why is this a hard concept to grasp - to thank God, to pray for everyones safety, and so on. No Wudu needed here.

no wudu needed yes, but whats needed is the clear understanding of the oneness of god,so a general prayer cannot take place because the oneness of god is not a general understanding amongst some....however a general discussion about how the betterment of society can be established yes, a general prayer no

Simple as this - Christians, hindus, etc. all have oen god at the center. Even Hindus. God is one, and each and every god is an aspect of that deity. Here they would pay homage to the Brahman, or the source of all those Gods. For christains, it would be God the father. In short, any religion with a higher power - a prerequiste to becoming a Freemason/DeMolay member.

This is the initial steps made in order to mash all religions whether false or true into an one world religion where the hindu can sit with the muslim and the christian to all pray together...it is all part of the globalization

In this concept: Do you know the meaning of Occult? It simply means hidden. The same way someone could consider the 100th name of Allah(swt) as "Occult".

Allah has revealed all his names to us through revelation and it could be that Allah has more names but he has shared with us the 99 and its a requirement for us to learn the 99 to be on course in entering heaven so its hardly occult

To glo:

Actually, no. DeMolay has made me interested in Abrahamic faiths. Growing up it taught me to respect women, and to help others and perform in charities, something I would normally never do. For me, it was a gateway to other religious understandings. As I became more Pagan, I moved away from DeMolay - but some of the values were there, to a lesser extent. This is why I am defending them so well - they have helped me a whole lot.

And I fail to see how being "occult" is bad - I guess more irrational fear from people.

Nice tenets but in reality its nothing but dust in the eyes to be acknowledged as a member of the freemasons, you have to believe in

"the fatherhood of God,
the brotherhood of men,
and the immortality of the soul"...

sounds sweet, but like wolf in sheep's clothing,it poses as sweet but it will never fall in line with islam , between freemasonry and islam there's a gulf and to top it off they have chosen their symbol as the all seeing eye just like the old egyptians who used it to represent their pagan gods...it really is a weird choice of symbolism maybe the indoctrination of demolay caused you to take paganism as a way of life?....Only Allah knows

just to add

What the Catholics think:

Freemasons have been excommunicated from the Catholic Church by 8 Popes: In 1738 by Clement XII "In Eminenti", the first of 20 bulls against Freemasonry. Pius IX issued 6 bulls attacking Masonry. Leo XIII, in 1884, in "Humanum Genus", and endorsed the view that the Freemasons' "real supreme aim" is "to persecute Christianity with untamed hatred, and they will never rest until they see cast to the ground all religious institutions established by the Pope"... and the last one, John Paul II in 1983... you can not be a Catholic and a Mason!

What the Baptist leaders think

They have referred to it as "an ungodly brotherhood of satanic darkness"; "there is an inherent incompatibility between Masonry and the Christian faith"; "there is a great danger that the Christian Mason may find himself compromising his allegiance to Jesus" (The Baptist Union of Scotland, 1965).