Muslims and Homosexuality - A Discussion

[karima]

we have to remember that we dont have a khilafa and that we live in the western world. And in the western world we will meet all kind of people with different belives and ideolygy. There should be a room for them to.

 

[Woodrow]

salam aleikum

i think gay people should be living as they wih and do whatever they want. they are humans too and if they love their own kind, it is up to them.

It is up to allah (swt) to judge people, not humans.

The problem is that we are only permitted to have relations with who we are married to. The Qur'an is very explicit about who we may marry and we are not permitted to marry a person of the same gender. Any homosexual relationships are therefore not permitted. Although it must be a very difficult life to live, it is no different from heterosexual people who desire to marry, but are each forbidden to each other.

 

[karima]

salam aleikum

yes if you are a muslim, we are only allowed to be with a one if we are married and not allowed to be with the same gender. i am aware of that. Im talking about non-muslims. We cant come and tell them how to live. We can advice them and thats all. And if they choose to live in sin and be with eachother we can only make dawah.

 

[Tyrion]

First off, thanks for your participation in this thread Brother Woodrow. As always, your posts are fair, balanced, full of wisdom, and greatly appreciated.

The problem is that we are only permitted to have relations with who we are married to. The Qur'an is very explicit about who we may marry and we are not permitted to marry a person of the same gender. Any homosexual relationships are therefore not permitted. Although it must be a very difficult life to live, it is no different from heterosexual people who desire to marry, but are each forbidden to each other.

Yes, this is the case with Muslims, but the issue of Homosexual Muslims (Which is covered in the second video I posted) is slightly different then the issue of how Muslims deal with homosexuals in general. Since homosexual behavior isn't compatible with Islam, we're obligated to try and help Muslims who are engaged in openly sinful behavior, and we can't back down and bend the rules for them. For non Muslims though, we can be clear that Islam does not recognize homosexual unions, but we need to be careful how we conduct ourselves after that... As Hamza Yusuf said (in my first video), Non Muslims typically aren't obligated to follow our rules, so we must be very careful in how we deal with them... In both cases however, basic human respect and dignity should be preserved, and the soft/compassionate example of the Prophet Muhammad :saws1: shouldn't be abandoned.



Speaking of the videos in the original post though, has anyone viewed them? Any thoughts?

 

[Muhaba]

we must not forget the hadith which states that we should stop a wrongdoing with our hands and if that is not possible, then with our tongue (that is, oral preaching) and if that is not possible, then with our heart and that is the lowest degree of iman. stoping a wrongdoing with the heart means to hate the wrongdoing and to hate even the person who is committing the wrong doing. since you can't love a person who does some wrong on purpose (can you love someone who murdered someone. no). eventually your hate for the wrongdoing will make you leave the person committing the wrongdoing, as was done by the group of people who preached to the companiosn of sabt, those who used to fish on the day of sabbath (see commentary of Surah Al-Araf).

 

[manaal]

Sister Karima, I think this topic about Muslims being gay and thinking that it's ok thing to be.

It has already been established that Allah forbids acts of homosexuality and we all know that homosexuality is almost as old as mankind itself.

When I was a kid growing up in a conservative Asian country I never knew there was something called "being gay". These things were never discussed in public. But sadly nowadays it has been discussed so much and people are being so openly gay that it has become accaptable. Sister Karima's opinions are testament to this.

Recently England cricket team wicket keeper Steven Davies announced that he was gay. He said:

"I'm comfortable with who I am and happy to say who I am in public. This is the right time for me ... I feel it is right to be out in the open about my sexuality. If more people do it, the more acceptable it will become. That must be a good thing

WRONG!

See what''s happening? Movies like "Milk"and "The Kids are Alright" are designed to get us to sympathise with these people and accept them. And the rresult is that more and more people think it's ok to be so and succumb to their desires instead of fighting them.

I believe that people who declare themselves to be gay do have these feelings and desires of homosexuality in them. But they should fight it. For the sake of Allah and Islam they should struggle against these desires. Hollywood and secular thinking of the west has made us believe otherwise.

Masjids and madrasas have to take up this issue and talk to the Muslims about these things and make them understand that it is totally against Islam to be so. This is not happening enough. I know of marriages (Muslims) that have ended up in divorce because the guy couldn't resist his homosexuality. These people need help, and I mean real help, just like drug addicts and alcoholics they need to be taught and educated. Not shunned or despised. Life is a struggles, everybody's got problems. And if these people struggle against their feelings and become true Muslims I believe that Allah will reward them greatly.

 

[Tyrion]

Sister Karima, I think this topic about Muslims being gay and thinking that it's ok thing to be.

Well, I suppose we could talk about those things, but the main purpose of this thread is just for Muslims (and non Muslims) to discuss how the Muslim community views and treats homosexuals. I in no way wanted to start a debate or conversation about the ruling on homosexuality, and I doubt anyone would argue that homosexual behavior is allowed in Islam... But the issue I wanted to bring up was just the unnecessary hate that seems to exist in Muslim circles towards certain people (and not the act itself).

See what''s happening? Movies like "Milk"and "The Kids are Alright" are designed to get us to sympathise with these people and accept them. And the rresult is that more and more people think it's ok to be so and succumb to their desires instead of fighting them.

Lol, those movies always make me uncomfortable... I remember having to watch a movie about a lesbian in the military back in High School, and it was just really weird watching something that I knew to be wrong being presented in a way that made it seem almost noble. It's a tricky situation though, since the rulings against homosexuality will only mean something to non Muslims if and only if they begin to believe in Islam. The laws of Islam are only binding on us because we are Muslims, and It's usually pointless to try and explain why we think it's wrong, since without the belief that Islam is from God, our words are empty to them...

I believe that people who declare themselves to be gay do have these feelings and desires of homosexuality in them. But they should fight it. For the sake of Allah and Islam they should struggle against these desires. Hollywood and secular thinking of the west has made us believe otherwise.

Yeah, but like I said, this advice is all good for Muslims who are grappling with this issue, but it's not exactly something we can promote and enforce when it comes to non Muslims... Our beliefs stem from the idea that Islam is from God, and since they lack this, theres really nothing stopping them from thinking it's okay. This, as I mentioned, is what makes the topic of homosexuality very difficult when its brought up with people outside of Islam.

Masjids and madrasas have to take up this issue and talk to the Muslims about these things and make them understand that it is totally against Islam to be so. This is not happening enough. I know of marriages (Muslims) that have ended up in divorce because the guy couldn't resist his homosexuality. These people need help, and I mean real help, just like drug addicts and alcoholics they need to be taught and educated. Not shunned or despised. Life is a struggles, everybody's got problems. And if these people struggle against their feelings and become true Muslims I believe that Allah will reward them greatly.

While I don't think we've reached the point where many Muslisms actually think it's okay to act on homosexual desires, I do agree that our Masaajids need to educate Muslims about homosexuality and how to deal with (Muslim and non Muslim) homosexuals (in a respectful and dignified manner, that properly represents Islam). I think a lot of the hatred we see from our communities comes from the fact that Muslims just aren't educated in things like this, since it's usually a cultural taboo to even mention it.

But yes, like you mentioned... When it comes to the Muslims who are dealing with homosexuality, Masaajids, as well as the community, need to step in to educate and support them through their trials.

 

[manaal]

Yeah, but like I said, this advice is all good for Muslims who are grappling with this issue, but it's not exactly something we can promote and enforce when it comes to non Muslims... Our beliefs stem from the idea that Islam is from God, and since they lack this, theres really nothing stopping them from thinking it's okay. This, as I mentioned, is what makes the topic of homosexuality very difficult when its brought up with people outside of Islam.

There are strong Christian groups that believe homosexuality to be forbidden, because it is, if i'm not mistaken mentioned so in the Bible (Uncle Woodrow?). The thing is when these people speak against it they are labeled as "conservatives" and made to look as though they are being unfair and disrespectful. The problem stems from the separation of religion from their day to day lives. Sadly to many people in the world (whatever their religion maybe) religion belongs only to their places of worship and not to their homes.

Why do you want to educate the non-Muslims though? They'll probably deem it an act of terrorism against their sexualities.

To understand why non-Muslims believe it is ok to be gay, we have to look into history and how gay people in powerful positions (celebrities, politicians etc.) talk:
"God loves you no matter what you are"
"You were put in this world for a purpose"
"be yourself, not what anyone else wants you to be"

I mean they talk about God without believing in him and his words in the first place!

 

[Tyrion]

Sadly to many people in the world (whatever their religion maybe) religion belongs only to their places of worship and not to their homes.

Indeed, this seems to be a problem in most of our modern religious communities... However, I'd rather not bring Christian concepts of homosexuality into this discussion, since I'd like the focus to just be on Muslims and their views/actions.

 

[Flame of Hope]

Take the example of the Prophet(pbuh) and look at what he did in different situations. If we all acted on our hate, there would never be any peace on Earth.

"Do you know what is better than charity and fasting and prayer? It is keeping peace and good relations between people, as quarrels and bad feelings destroy mankind." - Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).

Brother Perseveranze, I do agree with you most whole-heartedly. Whatever it is that others might do shouldn't cultivate the feeling of hate in our hearts. The best policy is to, as you say:

You don't have to mix with them, or in any way encourage them, just ignore them and let them get on with their business and you with your own.

I would also like to remind my respected brothers and sisters here in this thread the following hadith of crucial importance:

On the authority of Abu 'Abdullah al-Nu'man bin Bashir, radiyallahu 'anhu, who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, say:

"Truly, what is lawful is evident, and what is unlawful is evident, and in between the two are matters which are doubtful which many people do not know. He who guards against doubtful things keeps his religion and honour blameless, and he who indulges in doubtful things indulges in fact in unlawful things, just as a shepherd who pastures his flock round a preserve will soon pasture them in it. Beware, every king has a preserve, and the things Allah has declared unlawful are His preserves. Beware, in the body there is a flesh; if it is sound, the whole body is sound, and if it is corrupt, the whole body is corrupt, and behold, it is the heart."

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

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There's absolutely no doubt that homosexuality is unlawful. Aren't gay Muslims aware that homosexuality is forbidden? Yes, they are. Yet, they continue with their acts, even though they know that it is forbidden. So despite having knowledge of this, if they persist in homosexual acts, then this is a matter between them and Allah. We know that they will be punished in the Hereafter for their heinous sins. But whether they will remain in Hell forever, that's another matter, because Allah can take them out of Hell if they had not committed shirk.

But regarding what our response should be towards homosexuals, I think we should adopt the attitude of caution. We do not know what's in their future, but we can hope that they will repent. The possibility is always there. So I think the best thing to do would be suspend our judgment, leave the matter in Allah's hands, turn away from them, mind our own business and be concerned about our own sins. As brother Perseveranze pointed out, to keep our hearts clear of hate and thus guard our religion.

 

[Argamemnon]

I believe that people who declare themselves to be gay do have these feelings and desires of homosexuality in them. But they should fight it.

The definition of the term freedom according to Islam is the exact opposite to the meaning in the West. According to Islam freedom means becoming the "master of your desires", while in the West freedom means becoming a slave to your desires.

 

[Flame of Hope]

The definition of the term freedom according to Islam is the exact opposite to the meaning in the West. According to Islam freedom means becoming the "master of your desires", while in the West freedom means becoming a slave to your desires.

You're right, brother Argamemnon! Thanks for pointing this out. :awesome:

I also agree with sister manaal:

I believe that people who declare themselves to be gay do have these feelings and desires of homosexuality in them. But they should fight it.

Gay Muslims have an obligation to fight those feelings and desires. But it's also an obligation on them to conceal their homosexual tendencies and not go around declaring it to the world. That would be the same as adulterers and fornicators announcing their abominable deeds to people. Muslims who declare that they are homosexuals do not show any wisdom at all. It's as though they think they have a right to be gay and are fighting for their rights?! :rollseyes

 

[BoredAgnostic]

The way I see it is, haters gonna hate, doesn't matter what line of reasoning you give them, because it's always going to be illogical and/or inadequate in their eyes. There seems to be a special kind of disdain for homosexuals that extend outside religious reasons, and whatever our opposing opinion on it is, its not going to make much of a difference. A lot of homosexuals are comfortable with their lifestyle and who they love, so they are seen as people that are basically defying God every moment of their lives, they're living in their 'sin' and not trying to fight it and that's one of the reasons it makes it so 'vile and reprehensible', like a murderer or pedophile that keeps on killing and abusing. The only thing that can be is, if you're homosexual then it might be best that you move a more tolerant area or just not openly express your sexual orientation and play straight to appease. I agree with the point Woodrow was making about how there should be more clarification--effeminate males/masculine females doesn't not necessarily mean they are homosexual. The way I see, people should be free to say what they TRULY feel not attempt to be politically correct, just so you know to stay the hell away from those people and their negativity.

 

[3rddec]

I have posted my feelings and thoughts about this on another thread related to this lately but my feelings on the matter are so strong I dont mind repeating it. I'm a Catholic and i'm aware that many Christians hold very similar views to many Muslims and when I see it in its full gory glory like in Uganda it makes my wonder if this is how Christ would behave with these poor souls. Don't be under any illusions that because Homosexuality is so blatent in the west that Christians are in agreement with whats going on.

The Catholic Church does preach hate the sin but not the sinner but in the case of Homosexuality it does not give enough clear discussion about how to deal with it but there are enough clues to put it together with thought. Im no expert on Islam but i'm sure you can find similar ideas in your beliefs too.

My first thought is why should one sin be somehow worse than another, is there some sort of ranking or is sin not a separation from God , so why should someone who sins through sexuality be somehow worse and deserve worse treatment than those who sin through greed , anger , hatred , pride or all the other ways to sin. I can't see why. Thats not to say I endorse Homosexuality.

The more difficult question is if we are born into a certain sexuality which I believe is the case with some who are homosexual why would God do this. But then of course we are all born with our own individual propensities for sin for after all some men are born Eunuchs (apologies for spelling) so they are unlikely to experience lust.

ps im definately no Eunuch

But we are each here to grow spiritually, to learn to controll our passions for sin ( with God's help as we could never do it alone ) , so the urge a homosexual needs to controll and refuse to act upon is their Homosexual tendancies.

Then I ask why would God give a person the cross of never being able to enjoy the physical expression of love between two people. In the end I concluded that maybe God wants them to avoid the Physical love and focus on developing their spiritual love as often the physical love can lead us astray and forget what the true love is. So the mission for homosexuals could be if they take up the challenge and avoid the sin is to be a beacon to the rest of us about spiritual love. Obviously God could not deny physical love to all of Humanity otherwise where would the next generation come from. But these people if they were to ignore their homosexuality and focus on spiritual love and show this in there life they can be a reminder to all of us.

So in the end I feel that we need to understand the pain of these people ( i couldnt carry their cross ) but we need to make sure that they understand we don't feel we hate them but we can't condone any sinfull behaviour and that through prayer and patience and wisdom we can lead them to understand they have a spiritual lesson to learn just like the rest of us and to just give in to our base natures is wrong. Whether it is to commit a homosexual act, or a hetrosexual sinful act, or lead a life of greed or violence or a thousand other ways we can fail.

Please don't shoot me down in flames but I hope this gives the discussion some themes to discuss rather than lets just take them all out and string them up. Whose next the thieves, the gluttonous, the greedy etc.

Love and Respect

 

[Flame of Hope]

A verse to bring to remembrance......

"And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: 'To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant.' (The Noble Quran, 28:55)"

If the Qur'an commands us to TURN AWAY from vain talk, wouldn't it be a good idea to take this advice and apply it to also people who openly engage in wrongful acts? I think it is pretty evident what the Qur'an has to say on the matter.

 

[hopeonallah]

assalamu aliqum my dear brother and sister .

I have some personal experience about homosexuality .
I am a gay . from child hood I feel attraction towards to Guy only . Initially I did not know what is going on with me . But I was disturb about my feeling . I have many homo sexual experience from child hood only . I had many encounter . In fact my first encounter happened when I don't have no knowledge about any sexuality , neither homo nor hetero not bi sexual . One of my Uncle had sex with me when I was just 12 years old . It was very hateful experience . And day by day I had many more encounter with my elderly relatives . All guys were minimum 6 years elder then me .

I always thinking what is going on with me . finally I got to know its call homosexual when I was studying in 12 stander . But I feel whats wrong with me . why I am not able to feel attraction towards to female .. And I realize I have penis, its made for passing urine and intercross and anal made for passing **** , Not for intercross because Anal structure is not for enter some thing from out side , its structure such as come out some thing from inside . Anal itself One of the biggest prove that Homosexual is not normal .
I looked at vagina . vagina made for passing urine , giving birth child and its structure is some thing can enter very easily . and look at natural system . before intercross penis as well as vagina release some lubricant( pre cum) so that intercross can be done very easily . But in the case of anal its not happen . here pre cum it self another prove . I can give you many prove that homosexual is not normal even tho I am a gay .
Now question is : if some one start watching some thing or feeling or doing some thing which is really does not exist then definitely its unnatural that person has problem . In similar way if some one start feeling attraction with tree or any other animal or the same sex definitely he or she has problem .
Human being have a tendency to follow or obey or doing some thing which is easy no mater that easy thing right or wrong . once you become addict on it; its very difficult to quit . If some one get to know the easy way of getting pleasure other also start following it; no mater its right or wrong . that is the reason human being need role and regulation . And human being unconsciously brain washing them self that, wrong thing is not wrong , its not happen within one or two days . its develop slowly year after year . we all knows any thing can become very strong and establish, constant which is develop gradually or very slowly ( no mater its right or wrong ). Once its become habit we start thinking its the only truth . Changing habits its more difficult then shift a mountain from one place to another place .

Here we can give a look about alcoholic : how people become alcoholic .
1) Human being wants pleasure not only pleasure they want instant pleasure . we all knows alcohol giving quick and instant pleasure ( no mater its right or wrong , healthy or not ) . Once people get pleasure from them they don't want to leave that pleasure; (actually not they are, their brain don't want ).
2) Human being have problems . all human being want to over come from problem as fast as possible . So they take help of alcohol whether its wrong or right , healthy or unhealthy. once he found alcohol keep distance from their problems it may be for some time but at list they feel relax for a while . So they started taking help from alcohol no mater its carry toxin or not .

A). In similar way human being have sexual desire and human being have limitation to control their desire . human being can control their desire for one year; two years; three years; four years ;five years how long . One day they should break their control. whether they want or not . you can see people are not getting merry even they reach age of 20 , their parent are not allow to get merry until they settle ( I really don't understand what is the meaning of settle). because I have seen people never get settle , people cant get settle in this world . you have to leave this place . So the age of 20 what the guy will do . definitely his limitation get over . So he or she start searching easy alternate and they start having sex with younger guy . and that younger guy may be 12 years may be 13 years, who don't even know what is sex . and when he knows about sex it will be too late . here two person becoming homosexual one is the person who is searching easy way, another one; the person who has no knowledge about sex .

B). two very young guy may be less then 12 years . They are playing together they are eating together , they are sleeping together , they dont have any knowledge about sex .accidentally, while playing they start touching each other sexual organs and they fell pleasure . they continue it and they become homosexual . when they know they are homosexual its already too late .

always remember you may not bother to educated your child or you may get excuses not to educate your child, But evil never forget to distribute his knowledge .

C). Look at your surrounding . Mens are covering their body and day by day women are become nude. If you see your mom's or sister's nude body , How come you feel attraction towards to women .

I don't think this much of reason for becoming homosexual, I just gave you few example . There may be millions of reason .

Now my statement is: this society, means this world all are equally responsible for homosexual activity, no mater they are Gay or Bi or Straight . because I believe if you people educated your child then your child may not become Gay . or if you could not delay to get marry your son or daughter then, they may not become gay or they may not forced some one to become Gay .

Now you may arise the question , why all people are not gay ?
my answer is all people are not equal, some people may die by poison , some people may not die by the same amount of poison . some people get cure by the medicine, some people may not get cure by the same medicine( even they have same disease) .
Some people may very soft very sensitive some people are not very sensitive .

So now your turn , You have to educated them . you have to help them , you have to support them , you have to love them , you have to arrange all resources which can help them to over come from homosexual to heterosexual .
But at any cost homosexual never ever acceptable .

Do you know any homosexual guy personally . If you want to know their view about homosexuality then, you have to meet with them personally not as a straight guy . you have to meet with them as a homosexual guy; then only you will get their actual view about homosexuality . they will not disclose their pain if you introduce your self as a straight in front of them . because they are frustrate , depress , they are insecure , they are help less . ultimately we are human we have ego too . we don't want to put down our self in front of others, no mater how much I already in down .

yes I don't disagree with you that , there are few real evil also, but that no of real evil are very few . And first of all educate the scientist, doctors. At some extant they are also responsible for homosexuality . Why scientist and doctors are telling its normal . they cant make different between anal and vagina ..
I am a gay even I know its not normal all major religions are telling its not normal . logic telling its not normal . physically and practically its not normal . then which evidence they are showing its normal ? first educate scientists and doctors .

Allah will give us hell because we are gay, but don't forget Allah will may ask you also . If you are traveling in a multiple floors ship and lower floor get tear or hole then, don't be misunderstood your self by telling you are safe because you are in the top floor of that ship .

Allah help us ..

 

[Ramadhan]

Allah will give us hell because we are gay,

This is not correct.

Allah will not give you hell because you are gay.

Everyone in this world is tested by Allah with as many different circumstances as there are humans.
Some are tested with wealth, some with sickness, some with brilliant intelligence, some with extreme poverty, some with being born in deifferent religions/atheism, etc and some with heightened sexualities (whether heterosexuality, bisexuality or homosexuality tendencies).

However, what is being judged is NOT those circumstances, but the efforts one takes towards and to keep to the straight path (shirothol mustaqeem) that Allah SWT prescribe for us.

I am praying to Allah that He give you strength to keep chaste and be firm on the path that Allah SWT has commanded us. ameen.

Just for motivation: a cousin of mine suffered from SSA (Same sex attraction). He now refuses to be called gay, although he used to be "very gay", but alhamdulillah he was guided and has been married to a beautiful woman for a year now. And he told me he's not unique, there are many who have "reverted" and have successful marriages or have guarded themselves from unlawful acts.

Here's some resources that you may find useful in your struggle:

http://gaymuslims.org/
http://straightway.sinfree.net/

 

[manaal]

The more difficult question is if we are born into a certain sexuality which I believe is the case with some who are homosexual why would God do this.

Why are some people born deaf or blind? Why are some people born with Down's syndrome? Why are some people intelligent and others total duds?

I am told that Allah does these things for a reason. But what this reason is hasn't been explained to me.

 

[hopeonallah]

My dear brother " manaal "
assalamu aliqum !

Your query is :
Why are some people born deaf or blind? Why are some people born with Down's syndrome? Why are some people intelligent and others total duds?

First of all I would like to appreciate you that, you are a truth seeker !

Look at my answer now . it may help you to understand it :

1) . First of all no body born as a GAY. The situation, environment, Lack of knowledge , and SATAN and SATANIC Practices, And keeping distance from Allah make them GAY. Just like all human being born as a Muslim (no mater where he born , may be in Muslim house or non Muslim house ) But the situation, environment, and lack of knowledge, SATAN and keeping distance from Allah make them Non Muslim . [ here you can ask, how can all baby born as a Muslim ? But its a different question and it has different answer ].

2). Why some one born as a Down's syndrome ?
I don't know your profession otherwise I could have given you a relevant example regarding your question , So that I have chosen My profession as an example.
Suppose I work as a computer networking engineer . I am into switch level . I am not into server level . So; me and my team has to resolve those problems which are related to switch .
And in my company there are few watch men which are generally sitting in front of the gate . Most of the time they are sitting only.
And in my company has a policy that , whoever resolve more problem he will get more rewards, may be increase salary may be get promotion etc..
Every day me and my team getting many complains such as , No.5 system (computer) is not able to access Web server , No.140 system is not able to connect with domain etc .. We have to run to resolve the problems. and we do . Here we cant complain to my company's administrator that, why you are always asking us ( team of the com net engineer) to resolve switch related problems , Why don't you ask to those watch men to resolve the problems whole day they were just simply sitting ? No we cant because we are the engineers for it , we have capacity to resolve it which is watch men does not have . they have capacity to watch the company .
Second thing, many time our company's server get down , and that time administrator call or inform or ask to those network engineers who are working in the server level . I never have seen any administrator ask me or us to resolve the server level problems . because we are not into server level .

Third thing, net work related problems are facing soft were engineers, administrator department, account department, sales department etc . We net work engineers not require networking, we don't send or receive data from one place to another place . Then why we are wary regarding networking problem ? Why we need to solve it ? because we are for it .

Similarly, Allah appointed us to this world to resolve our problems. And Allah has a policy that, who are resolving more problems they will get more rewards .
Allah give us problems according to our capacity as like as net work engineer and watch man . So always remember , if you get a problem actually you are getting a chance to get reward . your rewards is ready, As soon as you resolve your problem, same as my company role .

Some time our rewards hiding by the others problem. Example : the Down's syndrome people . Actually this test is not for them , this test for us . Allah want to see us how we take it , how we behave them , how we help them, How we take care them etc . Allah want to see their parents reaction, their family members reaction, their relatives reaction, their stats reaction , their country reaction and all human beings reaction towards to them as well as towards to Allah .
That Down's syndrome people are already got 1000 out of 1000 . they don't have to give any exam , this exam for us . this exam for our views . You will see they are standing with Mohammad (PBUH) in the last judgment day. Their Jannah already ready . same as a poor person need not to offer Haj . they are already got 100 marks out of 100 in Haj, without offering Haj . because Allah knows they don't have capacity to offer Haj .

I hope done your query . If not please continue it, don't stop until you reach truth .

from INDIA . BANGALORE.

 

[Tyrion]

This thread is starting to slowly veer off topic. I don't want to get into a discussion about why/how people are gay... Read my OP, watch the videos, go through the discussion on the first couple of pages, and then continue please.