Muslims and Homosexuality - A Discussion

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I have read what you said in response.

No animal enjoys having relations with other animals other than Dolphins as far as I know.

Also, when scientists show that there is some form of Homosexual evidence amongst different species of Animal, they are showing that the animal adopts a Female role. I.e. the Male takes the role of protecting, feeding, etc. for the young due to the Female being absent.

Also, you need to UNDERSTAND the agenda behind some corrupt Political Governments (i.e. the people who fund the scientists). These people are under immense pressure to come up with some kind of "evidence" to allow it to spread. Have you noticed recently an overhaul on particular Homosexual Personalities on your TV? They want to present Homosexuality as though it is more common than it is, when in actual fact, it isn't common at all..

You have to then understand that these same people who provide evidence for Homosexuality still believe in the Disproved theory of Evolution- Darwinism.
 
You have to then understand that these same people who provide evidence for Homosexuality still believe in the Disproved theory of Evolution- Darwinism.

They also believe in Natural Selection, and if you allow me to expand, I will be able to provide you with proof that Homosexuality is psychological.

According to Natural Selection (now disproved), every species, be it a Lion or Human, evolves by "filtering" out weaker genes. The weakest of the group, i.e. the vulnerable, old, etc. are eaten off by predators. Which means that, according to theory, if homosexuality is now deemed "common-place" and always has done, then sometime in our biological history, there must have been a group of "Humanoids" which practiced homosexuality in large numbers. This means that if this was true, then according to the Theory of Evolution, we cannot be here. I.e. the Males would only mix with the other Males, avoiding intercourse which promotes pro-creation. That also means that these individuals, through the process of Natural Selection, even if they do mate with other females, then the offspring of that particular Father would have a desire to be with the same sex.

This poses a number of problems:
1. The homosexuals of the group won't protect the young, vulnerable, etc.
2. A new set of offspring cannot take place, meaning extinction..

Therefore, this tells us at least one thing, it gives reasoning that there is no such thing as evolution amongst humans for that very reason if you believe that homosexuality is natural.

If you study the psyche of those who practice homosexuality, as posted by earlier I believe, then you will see that it is practiced for pure psychological reasons.

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I am in no way a believer in Darwinism, I am a strong Muslim, I just hold views against those who practice homosexuality without repentance, or seeking to rectify themselves quite harshly. It is not because I hate the individual, rather it is because I hate the ACTION they commit.
 
Hello,

I am new to this forum. I will stick to the topic of how Muslims view and act towards homosexuals, but I want to give you a little background information so you know where I am coming from. Although I disagree with some things said here, I do not wish to debate, as I want to respect the beliefs of others.

I am an agnostic living in the United States. After the recent Peter King hearings, I have become concerned about the way that Muslims are viewed and treated by the people of my country. I have decided to learn more about Islam, and do what I can to dispel negative false information when I come across it. Although I am not sure what is the best way to help improve relations between Muslims and non-Muslims here, I have thought that more inclusive activities involving both groups would help. Once people actually get to know one another, hopefully they will be able to better understand one another. However, I also know a lot of homosexuals. I am concerned that outright hatred of homosexuals by Muslims would interfere with efforts to improve the way Muslims are perceived.

Hatred will only encourage more hatred. I think that it is very important for people to learn to live in peace even if they do not agree. Judgment is up to God.

Thanks for your time,
Peace
 
Sorry for O/T but in what way? Have I offended someone with what I have written? If it is false what I say, don't read it, throw it away. It is my weakness that you don't understand what I offer. I am sorry if I have offended you.

But I have read your response, and taken it into account.. Maybe I percieved you wrongly..

At Sethi, you are right- we should be at peace with the whole of Creation.
 
At Naidamer.

There may be, may be evidence of Homosexuality being practiced by animals, but, they do not have the ability to distinguish between right and wrong. That is why but a few of them will be judged harshly..

We, as Humans, have been blessed by Allah Ta'ala for giving us reasoning and given us the ablitiy to feel shame, etc. Therefore, there is no excuse for a Homosexual to practice what his nafs desires. IF a Homosexual abstains from his lustful desires to be with others of the same sex, and marries a member from the opposite sex, imagine the rewards for such a person. First, he suppreses his Nafs, then he bears with it patiently, then he marries a member of the opposite sex whom he isn't attracted to and bears patience with them..

Allah knows best and I am but a mere, weak servent of His, who contains not even a fraction of His Divine Knowledge, may Allah Ta'ala forgive me and the rest of Humanity and Creation for their weaknesses. Ameen.
 
Ubeyde said:
You have to then understand that these same people who provide evidence for Homosexuality still believe in the Disproved theory of Evolution- Darwinism.
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Ubeyde said:
According to Natural Selection (now disproved)
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Ughh, go awayyyy...

Not even the staunchest of creationists would say some of the ridiculous things you've said here... I'm curious, are you a Harun Yahya fan?

Anyway, back to the topic... I mentioned before, i don't want this getting into a "Gays are wrong, homosexuality is their fault, and here's why" thread... This is about Muslims, and how we think of, talk about, and treat homosexuals inside and outside of our communities.
 
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Ubeyde said:
Sorry for O/T but in what way? Have I offended someone with what I have written? If it is false what I say, don't read it, throw it away. It is my weakness that you don't understand what I offer. I am sorry if I have offended you.

But I have read your response, and taken it into account.. Maybe I percieved you wrongly..

At Sethi, you are right- we should be at peace with the whole of Creation.
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The problem put forward in your argument is that it relates human traits to animal traits. When we say some thing is wrong for humans because we do not see any animals doing it insinuates that the opposite would be true. In other words if we see something common place in the animal world, that line of reasoning would mean it is permissible for humans to do the same.

Stealing is very common and natural among animals, we can not take that to mean stealing should be permitted among humans. We have never seen any animal develop a written language, that does not mean it is wrong for humans to have done so.

Statements as to if Homosexuality is or is not observed in nature, have no bearing on if it is natural, permitted or forbidden for humans to do so.
 
At Tyrion. Excuse me? What you've said is extremely rude and arrogant. It is very difficult to express ones thoughts using text without showing you examples. No I am not a Harun Yahya fan, and read my arguement... You shoud never ever say to someone "go away" just because you misinterpert what I have said.. I am not a believer in Evolution, in fact I am 100% against it. I am a strong Muslim, but I am young and therefore inclined to make some mistakes so forgive me please ;) However, I am knowledgable to a certain degree.. I.e. I know many Ahadith and many Surahs of the Quran.. I'll see if I can't fish out some relevent Ahadith relating to this subject.

AT Woodrow.

You are right.
 
Assala mu alaiqum " Argamemnon " !

You have told us : " This Summer I will be 35 (insha'Allah), I'm not married and being a Muslim I obviously don't have a girlfriend. I had a strange old Dutch neighbor once and one day he blatantly asked me if I was gay... for some odd reason, when you are neither married nor have a girlfriend, people assume that you must be gay. I think it's a very strange assumption when they have never seen you with a guy.

Perhaps they are envious that I can be happy on my own without becoming a slave to my desires. They must be thinking that I'm living a horrible life, while I'm becoming happier and happier as I get older, alhamdulillah. I can't say anything about the future, but it seems as though this is the most suitable lifestyle for me!! " .

Same case happened in my native . there is one guy who is belong to very rich family he was 30 years old . But he didn't get married . He was a very decent guy . He didn't have any girlfriend . He was not doing adultery . But we young guys were thinking he is a gay nothing else . But his male servants who are working in his house were not handsome , but he is a very handsome guy . He didn't have any close male friend too . Then what is the reason he was not married . One day one person asked to his father that, why he is not getting marry ? His father said , don't know . The person told , may be your son has some sexual problem or may be your son is a gay . His father got angry and told his is not gay neither he has any sexual problem . After that the person told if " some one have eyes and he is telling he don't see any thing , its not possible , similarly if some one have sexual system and he is not having sex with any one till his 30 years age then definitely its a completely lie nothing else . After that, 30 years old unmarried guy's father took his son to the doctors but some doctors told he does not have any sexual problem its his wish only . But his father didn't stop and he took him to a very big and costly hospital and their one Muslim famous doctor started treat him and he found some physical as well as psychological problems . He had some libido problem . That doctor advised his for regular counseling and change his life style and some medication too . And doctor assure them ( guy and his father ) he will be cure but it may take more then one years . They followed doctors advice religiously and believe me within eight months that guy asking his father to finding a girl for marry . within few days he got married .

So in your case doubt of people are right . if your eyes are functioning properly then you cant stop seeing . You cant say that, I don't watch any thing whereas you have two proper eyes . If your sexual system is perfect then you cant stay without having sex . At least you have to satisfy your self by masturbation . Or else you must have some physical as well as psychological problems . may be both or may be one .
here I can say please visit a good Muslim doctor as soon as possible . If one doctors cant find out any problem in you then, take some other doctor's advice . here why I am asking to visit Muslim doctors because most of the non Muslim doctors are misguide you which are prohibited in Islam by telling its normal . example If one non Muslim guy go to a non Muslim doctor for overcome from his homosexuality then, that doctor will help him for overcome from homosexuality . But at the same doctor if one Muslim guy go there for overcome from homosexuality he will advice to the Muslim patient that homosexuality is a normal and its not changeable . But for other diseases doctors are not misguide any body whether the patient are Muslim or Non Muslim example fever , cancer etc . But for homosexuality , not getting married , need child , such kind of problem Muslim people should visit Muslim doctors only . I have experience about this .
 
Assala mu alaiqum " Ubeyde " !

As you said : 3. Men behaving like women are accursed
4. Men who dress like women are accursed " .

This is the misconception among the people and people making fool to each other that Gays are like to act like a girl . In fact there are neno quantity Gays are act like a girl . Most of the male who practice homo sex are not act like a girl . I have very strong confusion that , there are any male who is not practicing Homo sex in their life . So we need to focus about homosexuality rather then woman behavior being a homosexual practitioner males.
 

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