Muslims’ attitude towards non-Muslims.

[Karina]

Oh dear.

Personal opinion, ok, if anyone is interested!

I am increasingly perplexed by this kind of thing. If we were looking at someone in my line of thinking, (and I'm not off on an pro-Angnosticism ramble, well ok I might be a little!) but i could definitely say that I would most definitely attend, if invited, a funeral in any culture, birthday, Christening, Bar Mitzvah, a family Eid celebration, a Sikh wedding, a Diwali celebration, a Buddhist ceremony, a Zulu ritual, if invited by a friend or aquaintance!! In fact, all but two of the above I have been privileged & honoured to be present at.

I know, I know, I may seem naive to some but surely, in this vast, diverse, varied, complex world, I am one person (amongst what seems to be dwindling numbers) who could possibly... maybe.... be classed as *ahem* curious to learn more and be accepting of, other religions and cultures.

SURELY... Surely.... this is a good thing? :exhausted
Occaisionally here, I get the vaguest impression that this is not a good thing.

Has anyone got any comments on this?

 

[Fishman]

By the way, if you wanted to see the beauty, you should have tried Sikhism...

From my experiences Sikhs are equally as good at being bigots as the followers of every other religion (including atheists) are. A good Sikh is not a bigot, but neither is a good Muslim or a good Christian or a good anybody.

All pro-bigotry religions (NOI, Satanism etc.) are rather small because nobody likes their values.

 

[snakelegs]

Check out this link, the answer the mufti gave on taking non-muslims as friends is worth reading. http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...nglish-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar

i like
[URL="http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah/LSEZone"]http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=Zone-English-Living_Shariah/LSEZone
a whole lot better than islamqa.

 

[Woodrow]

What I would like to know if it's Islamic to treat others the same you wouldn't wanna be treated yourself. I would like an answer from someone learned like Woodrow...

I am very far from being learned. I spent 65 of my years as a non-Muslim and often lived as a Dhimmi in Muslim countries. On a personal experience I had always been treated very fairly and had many Muslim friends that did come to my aid during some very difficult times.

 

[islamic]

I am most interested in:
1) because attending the funeral is a way of showing love and respect, and it is not permissible to show that towards a kaafir
2) it is not permissible for a Muslim to take a kaafir as a friend, because Allaah has commanded us to regard them as enemies, to shun them and to keep away from them.

Thanks in advance for your response.

Let me try to say something here.
Quran should be read and understood as a whole. You can not jump and make conclusions quoting 1 verse from the Quran and acting like you found America! Could you do that wilberhum? I think you try to do that, as Ali Sina and his friends are trying to do with the misquote from the Quran the verse where it says: "wherever you find kaafir, kill him". Every learned man will continue reading because the next verse has the answer. Anyway, some people are trying to act like stupid ... but they are learned.
Now, for this kind of people we should not be friends with, this kaafir is not a friend of mine and i think is not a friend of any good Muslim. Kaafir who misquote the Quran, attack Islam, attack prophet Muhammad, and attack the glory of Allah.
But, also Allah in the Quran is talking about different non-muslims, people that are good ... because among them it says .. you will find people that forbid what is bad and do what is good. The commentary of Yusuf Ali says, those people are muslims at heart, meaning they have muslim characteristics.
With this people we should be nice, toward this non-muslims we should be nice.
Let me ask you something, if your father is Satanist and in satanic rituals he has funeral, will you in act of respect attend that funeral? If someone swear your mother and if he dies, will you in act of respect attend his funeral? will you show respect for those kind of people?

I hope i answered your question and cleared your miss-understanding about Islam!

 

[wilberhum]

Let me try to say something here.
Quran should be read and understood as a whole. You can not jump and make conclusions quoting 1 verse from the Quran and acting like you found America! Could you do that wilberhum?

I made no conclusion. I quoted a source that a Abu Musab respected.
The conclusion was that of Shaykh Sulaymaan ib nNaasir al-‘Alwaan, not mine.

I think you try to do that, as Ali Sina and his friends are trying to do with the misquote from the Quran the verse where it says: "wherever you find kaafir, kill him". Every learned man will continue reading because the next verse has the answer. Anyway, some people are trying to act like stupid ... but they are learned.

So I guess that you don’t consider Shaykh Sulaymaan ib nNaasir al-‘Alwaan a “learned man”.
So who do you consider a “learned man” and what source do you use to determine who is learned and who is not?

Now, for this kind of people we should not be friends with, this kaafir is not a friend of mine and i think is not a friend of any good Muslim. Kaafir who misquote the Quran, attack Islam, attack prophet Muhammad, and attack the glory of Allah.

So not only do you consider Shaykh Sulaymaan ib nNaasir al-‘Alwaan unlearned, you also consider him a Kaafir.
I thought calling a Muslim a non-Muslim was as low as you can get and it is considered back bighting at its worst.

But, also Allah in the Quran is talking about different non-muslims, people that are good ... because among them it says .. you will find people that forbid what is bad and do what is good. The commentary of Yusuf Ali says, those people are muslims at heart, meaning they have muslim characteristics.
With this people we should be nice, toward this non-muslims we should be nice.

Let me ask you something, if your father is Satanist and in satanic rituals he has funeral, will you in act of respect attend that funeral?

First of all, my father was a Catholic and the finest man I have ever known. :grumbling
Secondly, I don’t play stupid, “What If” games that have nothing to do with reality.

If someone swear your mother and if he dies, will you in act of respect attend his funeral?

No, I wouldn’t go to the funeral.

will you show respect for those kind of people?

We are not talking about showing respect for those that we disrespect. We are talking about showing respect for those we respect.
This is getting as stupid as talking about “women raped by someone in the street” when the topic is “Attending Places of Worship of Other Faiths”.

I hope i answered your question and cleared your miss-understanding about Islam!

Again, my miss-understanding?
You need to clear up Shaykh Sulaymaan ib nNaasir al-‘Alwaan understanding.

I just find it really bazaar being chastised for pointing out what a Muslim posted. :?

As for myself, when I read it, my first thought, was that I was on an anti-Islamic hate sight, which used miss-quotations to create Islamophobia.
I had to check twice before I was convinced I was truly on an Islamic sight.

Well now that I have that off my chest, I hope to respond to the other posts.
But I must say that I was pleased with most all the posts from the Muslims here.

Thank you.
Wilber

 

[جوري]

I am not a scholar.. but look to prophet Mohammed's own behavior for leadership

Once the Prophet was seated at some place in Madinah, along with his Companions. During this time a funeral procession passed by. On seeing this, the Prophet stood up. One of his companions remarked that the funeral was that of a Jew. The Prophet replied, “Was he not a human being?” (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim, Sunan An-Nasâ'î)

 

[islamic]

Shaykh Sulaymaan ib nNaasir al-‘Alwaan from where you got the source I'm sure he was talking about that kind of non-muslims, like you and Ali Sina, meaning .. those who want to attack Islam and everything related to Islam. So, he is considering you kaafir, he is talking for someone like you, so I agree with him about people like you. I agree with him.
So, no friendship with them, no respect for them, no attending their funeral, and I will go advanced and say: "for sure I will make him shorter for one head" (this is my opinion).
Now, Allah we love most, more from anything .. and we can not tolerate and show respect for someone who says the most monstrous thing about him, like you will not respect the one who will swear your mother.
Read you tomorrow, don't hurry with the answer

 

[islamic]

I am not a scholar.. but look to prophet Mohammed's own behavior for leadership

Once the Prophet was seated at some place in Madinah, along with his Companions. During this time a funeral procession passed by. On seeing this, the Prophet stood up. One of his companions remarked that the funeral was that of a Jew. The Prophet replied, “Was he not a human being?” (Sahîh Bukhârî, Sahîh Muslim, Sunan An-Nasâ'î)

sister, he didn't attend the funeral, he didn't went to synagogue, he didn't went to jewish cemetery, did he?
he STOOD up, just that. !

 

[islamic]

This is getting as stupid as talking about “women raped by someone in the street” when the topic is “Attending Places of Worship of Other Faiths”.

you are right, the topic is Muslims’ attitude towards non-Muslims and you are talking about Shaykh Sulaymaan ib nNaasir al-‘Alwaan.
You are right , that is really stupid!

 

[جوري]

sister, he didn't attend the funeral, he didn't went to synagogue, he didn't went to jewish cemetery, did he?
he STOOD up, just that. !

Thought the Question was in regard to respect not participating in their religious rituals? Either way it is human to grief for loved ones no matter who they are and what they did or didn't do.. Did prophet Mohammed P attend the funeral of his uncle?
The one whom he loved very much, the one who died a kaffir?

 

[islamic]

Did prophet Mohammed P attend the funeral of his uncle?

he is condemned in the Quran, that is a sure about him. This is another miracle of the Quran, Allah says HE WILL NEVER BECAME MUSLIM and he never did. Abu Lehab could just go and tell to the others, here .. i became muslim and disprove the Quran and say that the Quran is lie .. but he didn't. WHY? because whatever ALlah had said, that is true.
Did the prophet attended his funeral, I DON'T KNOW but according to my opinion and my logic, he didn't! He loved Allah more from his uncle.

 

[جوري]

I wasn't talking about abu lahab!

 

[islamic]

I wasn't talking about abu lahab!

wasn't he the uncle of the prophet who was kafir? I don't know for other uncles!

 

[جوري]

wasn't he the uncle of the prophet who was kafir? I don't know for other uncles!

[...] Narrated Al-Musaiyab:
When Abu Talib was in his death bed, the Prophet went to him while Abu Jahl was sitting beside him. The Prophet said, "O my uncle! Say: None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, an expression I will defend your case with, before Allah." Abu Jahl and 'Abdullah bin Umaya said, "O Abu Talib! Will you leave the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib?" So they kept on saying this to him so that the last statement he said to them (before he died) was: "I am on the religion of 'Abdul Muttalib." Then the Prophet said, " I will keep on asking for Allah's Forgiveness for you unless I am forbidden to do so." Then the following Verse was revealed:--

"It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire." (9.113)

The other Verse was also revealed:-- "(O Prophet!) Verily, you guide not whom you like, but Allah guides whom He will ......." (28.56) Sahih Al Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 223

 

[islamic]

"It is not fitting for the Prophet and the believers to ask Allah's Forgiveness for the pagans, even if they were their near relatives, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire." (9.113)

sister, from this EVERYTHING IS CLEAR.

 

[جوري]

what does forgivness have to do with paying respect?

 

[islamic]

Read the ayah good, and pay attention to the context of the situation and ayah revealing.

 

[جوري]

what will reading it good reveal in your book?

 

[Woodrow]

respect and dignity do not equate to forgiveness nor to practice of another's beliefs. there are just simple and ample statements throughout the Qur'an and hadith that we are to treat all people fairly and part of fairness requires fair respect. Attending a funeral does not entail participating in the worship. My second wife was Native American. Many people attended her funeral, most did not even understand it was a funeral. None would have agreed with her religious belief, but they paid respect to her, not worship nor prayed for her. So it with us as Muslims we can pay respect as long as it does not include prayer or worship.