Muslims converting to Christianity

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And what about those motivated by personal choice and after long studying of both religions? You think that those ind of people dont exist?
I have not met any except 3 (rich) men in UK.

one is faithless, works as a TV commentator self styled scholar, 2nd one cant make up his mind, when married to a white girl he was christian after divorce he was Muslim, and finally took up with a hindu girl and is hindu 3rd one is now a bishop. they all are alive so cant comment much on them due to libel laws
 
I don't think it is not well-balanced at all. If they wanted well balanced they would have highlighted the suffering of people from many different faiths who convert to many other religions. Not only from the religion that gets the most negative publicity (Islam) to the religion of most of the countries citizens (Christianity).
Well, you have to bear in mind that the aim of the programme was to investigate the situation of Islamic apostates in the UK ...

I felt it was balanced in the sense that the programme also looked critically at how the behaviour of certain Christian groups may add to the already existing tensions.

Peace
 
What struck me is how many ex-Muslims in the programme would not appear publically on TV, apparently for fear of potential consequences and repercussions.

Recently the 'Council of ex-Muslims in Britain' was formed, and apparently only very few of the members were willing to have their faces and names made public - again for fear of repercussions.

I leaves me to wonder, if so many ex-Muslims are fearful to declare their change in faith/beliefs/lifestyle ... are there many others out there, who just daren't to say???

Should people not be free to leave their religion, if in their heart of hearts they do not believe it?
Is there any point to being affiliated to Islam (or any other religion for that matter), when you actually don't believe???
Does God not know best?

Salaam
 
I don't think it is not well-balanced at all. If they wanted well balanced they would have highlighted the suffering of people from many different faiths who convert to many other religions. Not only from the religion that gets the most negative publicity (Islam) to the religion of most of the countries citizens (Christianity).

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that's a good point, the prog didn't sound at all well-balanced to me. 'despatches' keeps making these programmes criticising Muslims and they were recently rapped on the knuckles for their biased editing, in that documentary about the preaching in masjids. not much balance from them at all.

peace
 
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Sometimes dispatches makes a decent show, sometimes it don't. I did not see the dispatches show in question, but I have seen several before, which is what I base my judgement on.

As for the topic; Muslims who convert to other religions do so because they do not fully understand Islam and/or Islamic teachings. Reasons are numerous: noone told them; they themesleves did not seek out the truth; they themselves are just ignorant/stupid; they themselves had no one to turn to.

2 of those cases are their faults and 2 of them are not their fault. Solution? More muslims practicing their religion properly and people in general should seek out answers from the right people i.e if I want to learn something about Christianity, I'll ask a Christian - not an anti-christian or a Jew.

That pretty much covers everything I have to say on this matter. For those of you who think I may be a rebel for having an opinion, since I am a mod, I have two words and a smiley for you: Up yours. :sunny:
 
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Sometimes dispatches makes a decent show, sometimes it don't.

As for the topic; Muslims who convert to other religions do so because they do not fully understand Islam and/or Islamic teachings. Reasons are numerous: noone told them; they themesleves did not seek out the truth; they themselves are just ignorant/stupid; they themselves had no one to turn to.

2 of those cases are their faults and 2 of them are not their fault. Solution? More muslims practicing their religion properly and people in general should seek out answers from the right people i.e if I want to learn something about Christianity, I'll ask a Christian - not an anti-christian or a Jew.

That pretty much covers everything I have to say on this matter. For those of you who think I may be a rebel for having an opinion, since I am a mod, I have two words and a smiley for you: Up yours. :sunny:
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I liked the unedited version better. ah well! (but I still like it!)

anyways I wish these anti-Islam B.S posters were stopped but maybe that won't happen as it could be injurious to some one's wallet?
 
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I have only known in my life one such person to convert from Islam to Christianity and that person did not know anything about Islam. Infact she loved to Drink, club, get high...etc etc sex, drugs and rock&roll basically even before she became a christian. I didn't know much about Islam during that time to advice her so :/
It wasn't about truth but more about enjoying life and fitting in with the majority.

I mean when you get Non-muslims reverting to Islam you can be sure 99.9% of them revert after researching Islam and try their best to be Muslims (and the 0.1% are undercover dodgey dudes in Mosques trying to earn a quick buck making documentaries :x ) but you have those that leave Islam, IMHO, without fully researching Islam to begin with. (Stats TO BE CONFIRMED!)

If we think about it how the present political climate is bashing Muslims and trying to devour it it makes sense to say only those who are absoloutely convinced of Islam's truth, regardless of what the world around them says, convert to Islam which stands as a testimony to its truth. And those that are having a difficult time being Muslims will convert/apostate to ease the burden which comes with Truth IMHO.

I have also seen the lengths to which some people go to convince people to follow Christianity. After the Tsunami incident there was a Mosque which remained intact whilst the Tsunami wrought with destruction everything else within miles of that Mosque. There is a documentary? which says that the Christians went inside that Mosque and asked Jesus(AS) to save them hence the Mosque remained standing :hmm:
Why would SOME Chrisitians need to go to such an extent to convince others of Christianity? :hmm:
 
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In your opening sentence you state:

I have only known in my life one such person to convert from Islam to Christianity...

Yet, in the very next paragraph you are willing to make a claim like:
when you get Non-muslims reverting to Islam you can be sure 99.9% of them revert after researching Islam and try their best to be Muslims

How many persons do you know who have reverted to Islam from something else? To make the claim you have, you would have to be able to account for more than 1000, of which 999 you also knew well enough to say that they became good practicing Muslims.
 
In your opening sentence you state:



Yet, in the very next paragraph you are willing to make a claim like:

How many persons do you know who have reverted to Islam from something else? To make the claim you have, you would have to be able to account for more than 1000, of which 999 you also knew well enough to say that they became good practicing Muslims.

Greetings,

It's not about the quantity and everything about why they choose to convert.

peace.
 
The Evangelists are active around the world, and even in Islamic lands like in Algeria, Morocco, Nigeria..., some stupid boyish Algerians turn to this fake religion "Evangelism" just because they were Muslim by inheritance and they ignore a lot of things in Islam, they were disorientated and consequently easy prey to hunt by the evangelists. And as it was said in a previous post here, they are manipulated by "charity acts" : money, medicine, ...

But one day, the earth quaked in Algeria and those 'converts' hurry out of their home (turned in a church) saying loudly : THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMAD IS HIS MESSENGER !

Subahana Allah, No Religion can stand over ISLAM.

I think that those who leave Islam are not good
 
The Evangelists are active around the world, and even in Islamic lands like in Algeria, Morocco, Nigeria..., some stupid boyish Algerians turn to this fake religion "Evangelism" just because they were Muslim by inheritance and they ignore a lot of things in Islam, they were disorientated and consequently easy prey to hunt by the evangelists. And as it was said in a previous post here, they are manipulated by "charity acts" : money, medicine, ...

But one day, the earth quaked in Algeria and those 'converts' hurry out of their home (turned in a church) saying loudly : THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMAD IS HIS MESSENGER !

Subahana Allah, No Religion can stand over ISLAM.

I think that those who leave Islam are not good

So, do you begrudge acts of charity by Christians?

I am sorry to hear that some Christians appear to be misguided and use these things as tools of evangelism. That is not what Christ taught. Rather, he taught us to go out and do them simply because they needed being done. Of course we have a greater responsibilty to be sure that we do not neglect those who belong to the church, but in trying to do things for others it should be done only out of compassion for the needs we see, not to win them for Christ. Though of course, that doesn't mean that we will turn away those who come seeking us out, wanting to know why we perform such acts or seeking to know more about the God we worship. I would think that Muslims would tell anyone who asked them about Allah. Likewise I will not apologize for Christians telling people about Jesus, even if it be in the city of Mecca.
 
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Then I suggest you make those points rather than giving numbers and percentages in your next post.

SIR YES SIR! I have modified the post :hiding:

Main point is, what incentive do people have from coming to Islam, something which is unfavaroble to them considering the Political Climate and how those that follow it are portrayed by the media around the world? something to think about.

peace :D
 
It's not acceptable to manipulate people by charity aids, at least, it's not honest.. and I guess you won't approve it either...

But, If you were really convinced about your religion, you won't make use of these indirect tools to turn people from their true religion.

Be honest and answer this question by yourself. You won't find any Muslim believing really in other religion than Islam, the example of those 'converts' in Algeria is expressive...
 
I have seen real life unholy war where these nuevo Christians make persecution claims

I know of one woman whose husband was sickly looking man always at work (12 hrs x 7 days), she had 4 kids who were constantly abused by neighbouring white kids, there was daily ritual of posting crap thru the letter box stoning egg throwing car damage + cars stolen every time they replaced it (over 11 years).

police put it all down to (unknown) kids with high spirit just having fun and joy riding, instead of theft, burglary, racial harassment, robbery etc.

so the woman hatched a plot against the husband, and started to tell her doctor about how she was thinking of becoming a Christian and was being prevented and abused by her fundamentalist Muslim husband.

In December 2000, an army of police and social workers came to the house, while the husband was away, took the family to a "safe house" security cameras were installed around the house, permanent social worker (a Muslim hating Sikh girl) was assigned, as well as home helpers and school escorts for the children.

The husband is now a tramp who sleeps rough in Leeds and can be seen foraging for food in bins and trying to get himself arrested on winter nights for vagrancy. when seen by police they pick him up drop him off about 3/4 miles away from Leeds City.

If you are being harassed for any reason and are not getting any help from authorities, just claim to be a new Christian/potential christian and see what a difference that makes (I only know of cases in Leeds)

After I had read a few lines of this story, I though it happened in dumb america, but then I saw it happened in dumber england, no comment :heated:
 
It's not acceptable to manipulate people by charity aids, at least, it's not honest.. and I guess you won't approve it either...
You are corrrect. I don't believe in manipulation or bribery as a tool to convert people. Nor do I believe in threats as a tool to keep people from converting.

But, If you were really convinced about your religion, you won't make use of these indirect tools to turn people from their true religion.
The use of indirect tools is harder to both control and measure. Christians should not, as I said above, be trying to manipulate people. On the other hand, in my own church, we throw parties and have celebrations for the children who attend here. We don't tell them that they cannot bring their friends. We support the needs of members who may be haivng a hard time financially or dealing with other personal crisis. Doing these things might make us seem more attractive to people, but we don't do them to make ourselves attractive, we do them to meet the real needs of our members. Beyond that, we also respond to emergency situations around the world. We are presently responding to wildfires in our own country that burned thousands of people out of their homes. We responded when Katrina devestated a different large portion of our country. We are responding to needs in other countries for things like mosquito nets to help combat malaria. And we have responded to famines, floods, and earthquakes in many places around the globe. These things are not sent with strings attached. I know this because, through a curious bit of irony, my own daughter was a recipient of such aid when her hometown was struck by a terrible earthquake.

My daughter is a Muslim, living in a Muslim country. The supplies that helped her get through the winter came in crates with the initials UMCOR stamped on them. Those who delivered them did nothing more than deliver the aid and assist them in distributing it. My daughter and her whole family continued to practice their faith undisturbed. She didn't know anything about who or what UMCOR was, only that they were somehow connected with churches back in the USA, and she knew that because her father is mayor of the town and things were coordinated through him to make sure the aid got where it was most needed. (I probably need to explain, that I am not referring to my biological daughter, but an exchange student who has become my daughter. She is native Turkish girl who came to live with me later as an international exchange student for a short time about a year after these earthquakes. Because of the closeness of our continued relationship, though back with her own family now, she still calls us Mom and Dad, and we still consider her to be our daughter -- as we do with all of the students who have lived with us over the years.) It was only after she came to live with us that in conversation about those quakes she showed me some pictures and I noticed the UMCOR logo that was stamped on a few crates. I asked about it and that's when she told me about them. She said that she wished she could express her gratitude to those who had given them, and I was able to inform her that it was in fact our church and hundreds others that had joined together to make them available. But not once at the time that she received the aid, or later when living with me did anyone suggest to her that we sent it for any other purpose than simply to meet human need. She was a Muslim before she came to live with me; I did nothing to try to convert her while she lived with me (a promise I made to both myself and her, for while I believe in sharing the gospel, I do not believe that anyone should feel compelled against their will and living with me, a pastor, for a full year might be difficult enough for her, so I did not want that to be hanging over her head as well), and she remains a practicing Muslim today.

Be honest and answer this question by yourself. You won't find any Muslim believing really in other religion than Islam, the example of those 'converts' in Algeria is expressive...
I'm afraid I don't see a question, just a statement. So, I really can't answer any question to myself or anyone else. But of course no Muslim believes in anything other than Islam. Someone who believed in something different would not be a Muslim, they would be an ex-Muslim.
 
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Peace

In my opinion, I think it's terrible that Muslims convert to Christianity or any other religion.

Do they not know that this life is a test? And that everything we do we will have to face it on the Last Day?

Only Allaah Ta'ala can help them and make them better and see their sins and wrong actions.

Everyone, just pray to Allaah Ta'ala for the better, Insha'Allaah Ta'ala.

Peace to all
 
which says that the Christians went inside that Mosque and asked Jesus(AS) to save them hence the Mosque remained standing :hmm:
Why would SOME Chrisitians need to go to such an extent to convince others of Christianity? :hmm:


From my angle of view, I would say, that Christians are more openminded, say, we worship the same God, and a house of worship is a house of worship, no matter if bells and whistles in a tower or minarets.
It's not like muslims, they come to a chruch and say: 'eeeewwwwwww, here I will not enter !!'

my 2 cents only
 
In my opinion, I think it's terrible that Muslims convert to Christianity or any other religion.
In my opinion, It is as "terrible" as it is when sick/weak/elderly wildebeest are picked off by lions hyenas and alligators/crocs etc.

oh wait a a minute does that not make the remainder healthy and strong by removing the danger of mass infection?
 
In my opinion, It is as "terrible" as it is when sick/weak/elderly
wildebeest


are picked off by lions hyenas and alligators/
crocs

etc.

oh wait a a minute does that not make the remainder healthy and strong by removing the danger of mass infection?

Peace

Brother what are you on about?

It is my opinion. Are you trying to be sarcastic?

Obviously I can't express my disgust and anger and sadness by writing it, it'll be too much.

Peace to all

P.S. Forgive me, if I have said anything to offend you. Please forgive me.
 

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