~ Muslims Denied Mosques By French Islamophobes ~

[Woodrow]

Original Author is Carole Landry (AFP)

Thank you Doorster, that is what I was looking for

 

[doorster]

Thank you Doorster, that is what I was looking for

you are most welcome, My brother!

The link to the source was already provided, and verification could have been easily performed by him.

The article has been on their front page, all day.

Edit: please refrain from personal attacks, it is not constructive.

 

[Woodrow]

Edit: Removed quote from deleted post

That is of little importance, we need to keep in mind that many of our non-Muslim members do not view Islamonline as a valid news source. If it all possible it is best we find sources that can be accepted by all members.

Here is link to the original story as written br Carole Landry and published by AFP



http://www.france24.com/france24Public/en/administration/afp-news.html?id=070709063003.ya5zkthc&cat=culture


This should verify that the story was not a fabrication by Islamonline.

 

[Woodrow]

Let us now return to the topic and set aside our personal disagreements.

I will restate that the story does show that France is suffering from Islamphobia and it is straining relations.

The Mosques are not being built, because some people in France fear Muslims.

 

[wilberhum]

Let us now return to the topic and set aside our personal disagreements.

I will restate that the story does show that France is suffering from Islamphobia and it is straining relations.

The Mosques are not being built, because some people in France fear Muslims.

The question still remains, Why? Until we here what the judges say, we can only guess. Of course there is a level, a serious level of Islamaphobia and I think it is growing.
But that does not mean Islamaphobia is the cause. I want to know the reasons the judges made the ruling, not some news source implications.

 

[wilberhum]

Since this is all speculative, this is a form of slander towards Islamonline. Either look up something to back your claims, or remain silent please.

I hate to be off topic, but when I'm accurse, only based on someone's personal bias, of slander, I feel a strong need to respond.

For a long time I visited Islamonline. I am always interested in different views. I had seen several occasions where the “Head Lines” did not match the story. When I started checking them out, I found that the title they used was different than the source.
The last time they did that, I quit using them as a news source.

I read on CNN about an outburst on Sydney beaches where there were troubles between some Lebanese men and other locals.
I read on Al Jazerra that there were some cases of men of Lebanese decent has raped a local girl an there were hostilities building up.
I read on BBC that there were gangs build up in Sydney and they were attacking anyone that appeared to be Lebanese.
I read the same story on Islamonline. They cited BBC as there source. But they changed the Head Line to some thing like
“Hatred of Muslims on rise in Australia”.
No place in any report, from any source, including Islamonline was the word Muslim ever used.
The story did not support the Head Line Islamonline used. It seams to be a trick they frequent.

 

[Amadeus85]

Let us now return to the topic and set aside our personal disagreements.

I will restate that the story does show that France is suffering from Islamphobia and it is straining relations.

The Mosques are not being built, because some people in France fear Muslims.

Well, some time ago, i heard from one of moderators here ( we were talking about attacking church in Indonesia), that for him the western countries have right to stop the process of islamization and to bann islamic proselytism.
I think that people who you call islamophobes are not against islam but against islamization of Europe. It is a big difference. I am also against islamization, but still i have respect for islam and i would give muslims full rights to practice their religion in Europe, including wearing hijabs wherever they want and building mosques where muslims need. But what i mean is that muslims in Europe must follow european laws , not islamic laws. I think that this is what is all about. Only under this condition Europe can remain Europe, not change into Eurabia, Londonistan or whatever.

 

[Zman]

The link to the source was already provided, and verification could have been easily performed by him.

The article has been on their front page, all day.

Edit: please refrain from personal attacks, it is not constructive.

Masha Allah, a "Talib Ilm," with a filthy mouth.

This isn't the first time you attacked me or other members, who don't share your view. But this is my first response to you.

This won't be my last response to you or those Islamophobes who constantly attack me. Since, the only deterrence here is to delete a post, which only encourgaes your attacks on me and others.

I am forced to defend myself, since the forum doesn't provide substantial defense to those who are constantly abused by you and the small quantity of Islamophobes.

No disrespect to the mods or the new managers, but if all you have to offer is a "slap on the wrist" to Talib Ilm and the Islamophobes, then members will take matters into their own hands.

This isn't a mutiny, but enough-is-enough!

Constantly hiding behind Islamic manners and "political correctness," Just to accomodate the meaningless feelings of a few Islamophobes at the expense of most Muslim members who are interested in gaining vital information, is unjust, and illogical.

This is not a mutiny nor a challenge to your authority, but if the few Islamophobes and Talib Ilm don't give a **** about political correctness and our sensitivities, then there will only be resiprocity.

You can ban me if you wish for stating the truth and the obvious. If you choose that just to save a few bad apples in our midst, then that's fine and won't reflect positively with the other members.

That's your call, and if you want me to leave, Just say so and I'm gone.

But I won't stay and keep taking abuse, and I won't allow some deletions to tie my hands and deny me the right to defend myself.

Either enforce stronger rules against all, or let the members defend themselves.

 

[thirdwatch512]

Ok last time I checked, in a shariah country, a Church can't even be repaired, nor built, once a shariah gets started.

In saudi arabia Christians can not even worship there.

And I have yet to see anyone condemn that. Yet you guys condemn this? What a double standard.

I am from France, and we have our reasons for what we do. If someone expects to be a citizen of France, then they need to act like a French citizen. I'm not saying that being French you have to be Christian or atheist. Certainly not. But, if you are a muslim, you need to accept a liberal form of islam. One that does not promote hate for homosexuals, one that does not want people dead for drinking wine, and one that doesn't blow up 300 cars a day in our suburbs.

If you are not willing to compromise your religious values(which quite frankly i'm not saying it's a bad thing.) But do NOT expect us to compromise our values to fit your needs either.

 

[doorster]

bloody hell! if its not the loony terror lovers its the lying kafars

and I am trapped right smack in middle of both.

edit:
Saudi Arabia has been a satellite of UK ever since the times of British Empire. Take it up with London!

 

[wilberhum]

Ok last time I checked, in a shariah country, a Church can't even be repaired, nor built, once a shariah gets started.

In saudi arabia Christians can not even worship there.

And I have yet to see anyone condemn that. Yet you guys condemn this? What a double standard.

I am from France, and we have our reasons for what we do. If someone expects to be a citizen of France, then they need to act like a French citizen. I'm not saying that being French you have to be Christian or atheist. Certainly not. But, if you are a muslim, you need to accept a liberal form of islam. One that does not promote hate for homosexuals, one that does not want people dead for drinking wine, and one that doesn't blow up 300 cars a day in our suburbs.

If you are not willing to compromise your religious values(which quite frankly i'm not saying it's a bad thing.) But do NOT expect us to compromise our values to fit your needs either.

Wow, and in steps Wilber the Muslim Hater, well some say that. :skeleton:
What happens in Saudi Arabia should have no bearing on what happens in France. In France and the West in general are Democracies. In a Democracy there should be freedom of religion.
How Muslims feel about homosexuality and drinking is none of your or my business, that is as long as no harm is done to either.
There is absolute no reason that any one should have to “compromise” religious values.
If anyone needs to look inward it is someone who is so bigoted that they would say, “Blow up 300 cars a day”. No matter how much sugar you put on that BS it won’t be candy.:rollseyes
The fact that I question that the decision was based on Islamaphobia does not mean I condone Islamaphobia in any shape of form.

 

[thirdwatch512]

Wow, and in steps Wilber the Muslim Hater, well some say that. :skeleton:

They say that about anyone who comes with an objective view of islam.

What happens in Saudi Arabia should have no bearing on what happens in France. In France and the West in general are Democracies. In a Democracy there should be freedom of religion.

I agree. And I am not saying that I support these people who are blocking a mosque from being built. I was making a statement however, condeming some members on here who have justified not allowing Churches in muslim countries, yet come on here and say it's "islamaphobic" that a mosque can't be built. You can't have it both ways.

How Muslims feel about homosexuality and drinking is none of your or my business, that is as long as no harm is done to either.

The rights of a person is my buisiness.

There is absolute no reason that any one should have to “compromise” religious values.

Which is EXACTLY why i added the parenthesis when I made my post.. If you are not willing to compromise your religious values(which quite frankly i'm not saying it's a bad thing.)

If anyone needs to look inward it is someone who is so bigoted that they would say, “Blow up 300 cars a day”. No matter how much sugar you put on that BS it won’t be candy.:rollseyes
The fact that I question that the decision was based on Islamaphobia does not mean I condone Islamaphobia in any shape of form.

Here, allow me to post some snips from articles..
[PIE]Almost every night, cars are set alight in the streets between the crumbling apartment blocks in which most people live.

Radical Muslims in France's housing estates are waging an undeclared "intifada" against the police, with violent clashes injuring an average of 14 officers each day.

As the interior ministry said that nearly 2,500 officers had been wounded this year, a police union declared that its members were "in a state of civil war" with Muslims in the most depressed "banlieue" estates which are heavily populated by unemployed youths of north African origin.

“He said yesterday: ‘We are in a state of war, orchestrated by radical Islamists. This is not a question of urban violence any more, it is an intifada, with stones and Molotov cocktails. You no longer see two or three youths confronting police, you see whole tower blocks emptying into the streets to set their “comrades” free when they are arrested.’”

The figures are stark. An average of 112 cars a day have been torched across France so far this year and there have been 15 attacks a day on police and emergency services. Nearly 3,000 police officers have been injured in clashes this year. Officers have been badly injured in four ambushes in the Paris outskirts since September. Some police talk of open war with youths who are bent on more than vandalism.

[/PIE]

 

[wilberhum]

They say that about anyone who comes with an objective view of islam.

I have noticed that too, in fact many times.

The rights of a person is my buisiness.

We are not talking about rights, we are talking about attitudes. I have every right to Hate a group, I don't, but I have the right. I do not have the right to harm anyone it that group. There is a difference.

Almost every night, cars are set alight in the streets between the crumbling apartment blocks in which most people live.

But to be honest, it wasn't "Radical Muslims". It was youths with little future. I think it is a fact that they were mostly Muslims, but Radical is painting them with the wrong "Brush".

 

[Keltoi]

I don't think anything can sugar coat the level of distrust that has grown between non-Muslims and Muslims in Europe and to a lesser degree the United States. We have a serious problem on our hands, and it unfair to both parties. I don't know what the thinking behind this decision was, but as long as there is this ideological and military struggle taking place, it will only get worse before it gets better.