Muslims Discover America~The Piri Reis Map~

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Salam Alaikum,
Yes that is true Minaz, History is indeed written by victors!
A perfect example is "General Custers Last Stand"
Archeologists uncovered remnants of that 'great' battle and discovered shells of bullets used by general Custer and his army scattered in a long trail running away from the battle feild.
Thus they conclusively proved (now widely accepted) that in fact it was no courageous last stand but rather a cowardly running away..to the extent that skeletons uncovered in the archeological digs also revealed a horrible fact:
General Custer and his men were evidently so scared that they were shooting even at each other...the bullets from their guns (ammo used by the yanks back in those days) was found in skeletons still adorned with parts of the yanks uniform back then.

But alas people are tought otherwise and it gets worse. The American govt was presented these facts, and they flatly refused to change history saying that "every nation needs its heroes" - Well so much for heroes! Tsk Tsk

As for the Peri Reis map, its greatest significance is not that it reveals the fact that The Americas were discovered long before Colombus, but the significance actually lies in the fact that this map was highly detailed to the extent that it is comparable to sattelite imagery taken today!! This has even led to some crazy theories that "aliens" actually made that map - believe it or not lol!
 
akulion said:
This has even led to some crazy theories that "aliens" actually made that map - believe it or not lol!
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Heh, and if you think that's stretching, wait until you hear the conspiracy theories about who or what really built the Pyramids. :p
 
Salam Alaikum
Well no offence to anyone who may actually believe in what I am about to state.

"Talking about 'stretching it' wait till you read this, I heard people saying that it was reported that when Neil Armstrong landed on the moon he saw a mosque there"
;D
 
akulion said:
"Talking about 'stretching it' wait till you read this, I heard people saying that it was reported that when Neil Armstrong landed on the moon he saw a mosque there"
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I heard some story that he heard the athaan, but he refuted that claim, saying he heard nothing of the sort.

Anyway, I think I've derailed this thread long enough. Let's get back on topic. :)
 
1421: The Year a Chinese Muslim Discovered America

1421: The Year a Chinese Muslim Discovered America


The British submarine engineer and historian Gavin Menzies gave an astounding seminar on March 15, 2002 to the Royal Geographical Society in London, with evidence to support his theory that Zheng He, a Chinese Muslim navigator in the Ming dynasty, beat Columbus by more than 70 years in discovering America.

Using evidence from maps drawn dated before Columbus' trip that clearly showed America, and astronomical maps traced back to Zheng He's time, Menzies is confident that the Zheng He should be honored as the first discoverer of America.

Menzies's conclusion is based on 14 years of research that includes secret maps, evidence of artifacts, and apparent proof of the voyage provided by the modern astronomy software program Starry Night.

As key evidence for a voyage that will remake history, Menzies says he obtained ancient Chinese navigation charts associated with the travels of Zheng He. The journey ran from 1421 to 1423. Menzies maintains that the ships sailed around the Southern tips of both Africa and South America.

"I set Starry Night up for dates in 1421 for parts of the world where I thought the Chinese had sailed," explained Menzies, a navigation expert and former Royal Navy submarine commander. He found that in two separate locations of the voyage, easily recognizable stars were directly above Zheng He's fleet.

Those stars have since moved, due to changes in Earth's orientation in space. Earth's spin is slightly imperfect, and its axis carves a circle on the sky every 26,000 years. The phenomenon, called precession, means that each pole points to different stars as time progresses. Menzies used the software program to recreate the sky as it would have looked in 1421.

"I had Chinese star charts, and I needed to date the charts," he said. "By an incredible bit of luck, one of the courses they steered, between Sumatra and Dondra Head, Ceylon, was due west."

This part of the journey was very near the equator in the Indian Ocean. Both Polaris, the North Star, and the bright southern star Canopus, which was very nearly above the celestial south pole, were on the charts. "From that I was able to determine the apparent shift of Polaris (due to precession). I could therefore date the chart to 1421, plus or minus 30 years."

Phillip Sadler, a celestial navigation expert at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, says the estimation of a map's age based on star positions is possible. He said an estimate within 30 years, as Menzies claims, is possible.


References:

1. http://www.1421.tv/

2. http://www.space.com/

3. http://www.chinapage.com/

Source: (read the next 2 exciting parts) http://www.islamicity.com/articles/articles.asp?ref=IC0301-1843&p=1
 
Muslims Discovered America

:sl:

Interesting read:

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1421: The Year a Chinese Muslim Discovered America

The British submarine engineer and historian Gavin Menzies gave an astounding seminar on March 15, 2002 to the Royal Geographical Society in London, with evidence to support his theory that Zheng He, a Chinese Muslim navigator in the Ming dynasty, beat Columbus by more than 70 years in discovering America.

Using evidence from maps drawn dated before Columbus' trip that clearly showed America, and astronomical maps traced back to Zheng He's time, Menzies is confident that the Zheng He should be honored as the first discoverer of America.

Menzies's conclusion is based on 14 years of research that includes secret maps, evidence of artifacts, and apparent proof of the voyage provided by the modern astronomy software program Starry Night.

As key evidence for a voyage that will remake history, Menzies says he obtained ancient Chinese navigation charts associated with the travels of Zheng He. The journey ran from 1421 to 1423. Menzies maintains that the ships sailed around the Southern tips of both Africa and South America.

"I set Starry Night up for dates in 1421 for parts of the world where I thought the Chinese had sailed," explained Menzies, a navigation expert and former Royal Navy submarine commander. He found that in two separate locations of the voyage, easily recognizable stars were directly above Zheng He's fleet.

Those stars have since moved, due to changes in Earth's orientation in space. Earth's spin is slightly imperfect, and its axis carves a circle on the sky every 26,000 years. The phenomenon, called precession, means that each pole points to different stars as time progresses. Menzies used the software program to recreate the sky as it would have looked in 1421.

"I had Chinese star charts, and I needed to date the charts," he said. "By an incredible bit of luck, one of the courses they steered, between Sumatra and Dondra Head, Ceylon, was due west."

This part of the journey was very near the equator in the Indian Ocean. Both Polaris, the North Star, and the bright southern star Canopus, which was very nearly above the celestial south pole, were on the charts. "From that I was able to determine the apparent shift of Polaris (due to precession). I could therefore date the chart to 1421, plus or minus 30 years."

Phillip Sadler, a celestial navigation expert at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, says the estimation of a map's age based on star positions is possible. He said an estimate within 30 years, as Menzies claims, is possible.


Rest of the article:

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC0301-1843

:w:
 
Re: Muslims Discoered America

lol...we Native Americans always find the phrase "Discovered America" fairly amusing.
 
Re: Muslims Discovered America

`Abd al-Azeez said:
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Interesting read:

______________________________________________________________

1421: The Year a Chinese Muslim Discovered America

The British submarine engineer and historian Gavin Menzies gave an astounding seminar on March 15, 2002 to the Royal Geographical Society in London, with evidence to support his theory that Zheng He, a Chinese Muslim navigator in the Ming dynasty, beat Columbus by more than 70 years in discovering America.

Using evidence from maps drawn dated before Columbus' trip that clearly showed America, and astronomical maps traced back to Zheng He's time, Menzies is confident that the Zheng He should be honored as the first discoverer of America.

Menzies's conclusion is based on 14 years of research that includes secret maps, evidence of artifacts, and apparent proof of the voyage provided by the modern astronomy software program Starry Night.

As key evidence for a voyage that will remake history, Menzies says he obtained ancient Chinese navigation charts associated with the travels of Zheng He. The journey ran from 1421 to 1423. Menzies maintains that the ships sailed around the Southern tips of both Africa and South America.

"I set Starry Night up for dates in 1421 for parts of the world where I thought the Chinese had sailed," explained Menzies, a navigation expert and former Royal Navy submarine commander. He found that in two separate locations of the voyage, easily recognizable stars were directly above Zheng He's fleet.

Those stars have since moved, due to changes in Earth's orientation in space. Earth's spin is slightly imperfect, and its axis carves a circle on the sky every 26,000 years. The phenomenon, called precession, means that each pole points to different stars as time progresses. Menzies used the software program to recreate the sky as it would have looked in 1421.

"I had Chinese star charts, and I needed to date the charts," he said. "By an incredible bit of luck, one of the courses they steered, between Sumatra and Dondra Head, Ceylon, was due west."

This part of the journey was very near the equator in the Indian Ocean. Both Polaris, the North Star, and the bright southern star Canopus, which was very nearly above the celestial south pole, were on the charts. "From that I was able to determine the apparent shift of Polaris (due to precession). I could therefore date the chart to 1421, plus or minus 30 years."

Phillip Sadler, a celestial navigation expert at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, says the estimation of a map's age based on star positions is possible. He said an estimate within 30 years, as Menzies claims, is possible.


Rest of the article:

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=IC0301-1843

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You should watch the documentary on it... interesting!!!

There are mosques named after him in Indonesia and Malaysia.
 
Re: Muslims Discoered America

Keltoi said:
lol...we Native Americans always find the phrase "Discovered America" fairly amusing.
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Heh. It's kind of like the phrase 'Discovered gravity' - as if it didn't exist before :p

Also, this has been discussed before so I merged the threads. Please run a quick search before posting a new topic, ta.
 
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