"Muslims discuss Christianity amongst other Muslims?"

[believer]

Asalaamu aliakum Brother...

I appreciate your honest opinion and feelings about Christianity... in fact I share the same view. But I agree with the sister.

Allah SWT gave us clear instruction in the Noble Qur'an thru his slave and servant Rasullullah (pbuh) to exercise religious tolerance with the Non-Muslims... particularly - and specifically describing and giving more emphasis with the People of the Book (i.e. the Christians)...

Most of the so called self-proclaimed Christians who hate anything Islam are really not the real Christians... Real Christians pocess religious tolerance.

The Qur'an describes these Christians as - humble people... they are not proud. You will know them once they hear the Qur'an recited to them... they react like they know - that this is a genuine, authentic words of Allah SWT.

Most of them are only biased due to the fact that they were bombarded by the Media which is not really controlled by real Christians... the Media programs them through Documentary Reporting and sensationalized journalism that portrays the terror and horror an Islamic Terrorrist can do. And they have come to brand us Muslims through association as potential suicide bombers.

How are they deluded by Satan. At any rate... they should not be treated as enemies... on the contrary, the Prophet Rasullullah (SAW) was instructed by Allah SWT to leave them alone specially when they are praying. They are our brothers according to Allah (SWT).

They are the nearest to our religion. If we show them due respect... they will respond. Remember, it is the duty of each and every Muslim to relay the Message and Warning of Allah about Paradise and Hell and we have his Ayats to back up our convictions. These Christians being the dominant Non-Muslims are our main target market (sorry for using corporate lingo.).

We are like salesmen... we are selling a product that we are ourselves using. If our clients or target customers don't see that we are benefiting from our products... they won't buy it.

Win win situation is our objective. We have to win them using Allahs' divine guidance, wisdom, charity and love and respect. Remember - if we save one Human life (it could also mean human soul or spirit) - it's as if we have saved the entire Humanity.

Satan is our enemy - not the Christians...

Take it from a former Catholic Seminarian and Born Again Christian.

May Allah increase our deen, iman and wisdom in our efforts in the cause of Allah SWT and our dawa.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

Salaam/peace;

For instance, I am a United Methodist pastor. .

Who is qualified to be a Sunday school teacher ?

In other forum , a Christian claimed that he is ….he always bashed Prophet Muhammed (p) & wrote the name as Moo-ham-head.

Once he wrote such a nasty post regarding marriage of Mother Aisha (ra ) with the Prophet . I asked him ,what ur Sunday school kids will think about u if they find out what kind of dirty language u use ?


What Churches tell their Pastors / Sunday school teachers about dealing with non-Christians ?


Verses all need ..specially for the life hereafter :sunny:


Now if God were to take men [immediately] to task for all the evil that they do [on earth],



He would not leave a single living creature upon its face.





However, He grants them respite until a term set:


but when the end of their term approaches, they can neither delay it by a single moment,



nor can they hasten it.

-Quran (16:61)

 

[Muslim Woman]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

But - Once a priest - always a priest... this is the slogan of all priests

:giggling:

in rare occassions perform exorcism.

---how they do it ? Have u ever watched this ? Sounds interesting ...also scary if really Satan comes



I read in a novel that when Satan kills anyone , he breaks his neck….one priest was killed while doing excorcism in that story. Do they still believe that Satan can kill someone ?

key was given to Peter

--also rock ? Not sure ..may be , Sis Jayda told me something like that Catholic church established on rock of Jesus (p) …that is God’s Church etc.

 

[believer]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

Salaam/peace;




Who is qualified to be a Sunday school teacher ?

Seminarians who have underwent their first years in the Major or even Minor Seminary are sent to teach Cathecism... this is the equivalent of a Sunday School Service... Normally - only seminarians do this job.


In other forum , a Christian claimed that he is ….he always bashed Prophet Muhammed (p) & wrote the name as Moo-ham-head.

How deluded he is... if he only know the grave sin he is committing... Allah guides whom He wills

Once he wrote such a nasty post regarding marriage of Mother Aisha (ra ) with the Prophet . I asked him ,what ur Sunday school kids will think about u if they find out what kind of dirty language u use ?

Definitely - the kids will be scandalized... moreover - this is not a Christian Moral conduct or behaviour... in Philosophy 1 - we are taught about the Natural MOral Law as well as the Christian MOral Law... both these laws adhere to maintaining the common good. NOthing good about his behaviour.

What Churches tell their Pastors / Sunday school teachers about dealing with non-Christians ?

In the seminary I came from... we excercise religious tolerance... arguing or debating about religion is not really the cup of tea in my seminary... besides - it is not prescribed in Catholic Seminaries... they would argue and debate only with themselves about anything scholastic or academic....


Verses all need ..specially for the life hereafter :sunny:

Now if God were to take men [immediately] to task for all the evil that they do [on earth],

He would not leave a single living creature upon its face.

However, He grants them respite until a term set:

but when the end of their term approaches, they can neither delay it by a single moment,

nor can they hasten it.

-Quran (16:61)

Salaamu alaikum sister... the Blue fonts are my answers...

 

[Woodrow]

Very strong words.

We are like salesmen... we are selling a product that we are ourselves using. If our clients or target customers don't see that we are benefiting from our products... they won't buy it.

Win win situation is our objective. We have to win them using Allahs' divine guidance, wisdom, charity and love and respect. Remember - if we save one Human life (it could also mean human soul or spirit) - it's as if we have saved the entire Humanity.

Plus they are very true.

Those of us who are reverts did not become so because we were told we were evil, misguided, or anti-Muslim. we reverted simply because we saw the truth.

To be honest for over 50 years people that tried to tell me of the "evils" of Christianity only made me want to defend Christianity and put blinders on me that made it difficult to see the truth.

A strong verbal argument as to why a person should accept Islam, is more often counter productive. Islam is a message of love, understanding and acceptance. When we try to defend Islam with human strength, we can only fail. We need to defend and promote it through the truth and understanding Allah(swt) has revealed.

 

[Muslim Woman]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

...Definitely - the kids will be scandalized... moreover - this is not a Christian Moral conduct or behaviour...

i suspect that he was not a Sunday school teacher , not even a Christian. He always provoked Muslim by using offensive words against the Prophet (p).

It was very unusual .....even if he really hates Islam so much , he could have hidden his identity--- so that we don't get a bad impression about Christians .

U may say that because of him & another Christian---sadly he also claimed that he is missionary who served Muslim AIDS patience in Africa , used to write nasty posts.

I almost started hating all Christians because of these 2 so called followers of Jesus (p).

I guess , may be some people are active online ...trying to create misunderstanding among Muslims & Christians. Could it be possible ?

 

[believer]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

:giggling:

---how they do it ? Have u ever watched this ? Sounds interesting ...also scary if really Satan comes

The reason we do Wudu is the same reason why Priests use "holy" water to drive away unseen spirits or demonic entities... As a believer - we have nothing to fear... Not even Satan - only Allah. It is only Allah who has the power to give life and take life and ressurect one to life again... only the Creator can destroy his creation... not another creation.


I read in a novel that when Satan kills anyone , he breaks his neck….one priest was killed while doing excorcism in that story. Do they still believe that Satan can kill someone ?

This is only probably a Hollywood Story... and if ever it was true... The said priest wasn't killed by Satan... he only have killed himself. For a person who is possesed by a demon... normally, the place or the area of that afflicted person is unclean... many harram materials around or harraam people. the fact that the person is overpowered by the demon is an indication that that place where that person is a demon infested area... meaning - angels have no presence there. If a priests would do battle with the jinns... he need to equip himself with his angels... but if He has no clear idea about the concept and reality of Guardian Angels... then he is coming into the Lions Den. ... Remember, Allah purifies and cleans this earth and his people with Rain... also representing a sprinkling water... water connotates cleansing... Ever wonder why a drunk or sleepy person when ever poured witha pail of water retains his normalcy back again? - the same law applies.

The answer is... Satan has no power over us unless we allow...




--also rock ? Not sure ..may be , Sis Jayda told me something like that Catholic church established on rock of Jesus (p) …that is God’s Church etc.

"Upon this rock I shall build my Church" - this is what Jesus (AS) said to Peter in front of the other disciples... it wasn't clear though is he was refering to the Boulder or the Hill where he is standing that time... But the Catholic utilized this statement and twisted it to their Advantage... they claimed that it was Rome that Jesus (As) that he was referring to... and Peter being the first Pope - according to them technically... I really find this hard to believe since they also crufcified Peter upside down... just outside Rome... The Key is just a symbol that the Romans invented to make a simple story look so glorious... this is actually done to make the Roman Pagan Religion integrated to the clandestine Christian Church built underground in Rome... this way - constantine will be able to conquer the world using Religion.... long story - some people might think I am theorizing a conspiracy again. Anyway, there is more proofs in the Quran that can back up what I percieve. Jesus actually meant... I believe - Upon this rock...(rock means planet Earth - not Rome).

 

[believer]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

i suspect that he was not a Sunday school teacher , not even a Christian. He always provoked Muslim by using offensive words against the Prophet (p).

You're maybe right!

It was very unusual .....even if he really hates Islam so much , he could have hidden his identity--- so that we don't get a bad impression about Christians .

Or maybe it's not his real identity?

U may say that because of him & another Christian---sadly he also claimed that he is missionary who served Muslim AIDS patience in Africa , used to write nasty posts.

well... one's true color starts to surface sooner or later...

I almost started hating all Christians because of these 2 so called followers of Jesus (p).

Bear in mind... Hate is what satan want us Muslims to have in our hearts... don't go down to their level... moreover... No matter what religion a man or a woman belongs to - he or she will either be the good or the bad apple in the basket. A good one will never plant Bad seeds (confussion, restlessness, fear, hate, terror, argument, and the like)

A Bad One will always leave its' distinct mark...(hatred, fear, confussion, animosity, and the like.)

Good Ones also leave their distinct mark... (INSPIRATION)

I guess , may be some people are active online ...trying to create misunderstanding among Muslims & Christians. Could it be possible ?

Satan and his cohorts are never sleeping... Satan is like a mad dog... wanting to get everyone and many as much as possible... wether Muslim or Christian or Jew or HIndu or Atheists - he doesn't care... It's like a closing out sale... he needs to get as many customers to buy in. If there are people who are aimed in destroying the good relations betwen Muslims and Christians... which is not really a remote possibility... then it is each and every Muslims responsibility to counter it by using Allahs' prescribed guidance. These lost souls can still be saved... if they only know the truth.

 

[believer]

To be honest for over 50 years people that tried to tell me of the "evils" of Christianity only made me want to defend Christianity and put blinders on me that made it difficult to see the truth.

A strong verbal argument as to why a person should accept Islam, is more often counter productive. Islam is a message of love, understanding and acceptance. When we try to defend Islam with human strength, we can only fail. We need to defend and promote it through the truth and understanding Allah(swt) has revealed.

To add... "jihad" means to strive... striving in the old days connotes... exerting ones physical strength... but as warfare has evolved into higher form... our very sense of judgement has been clouded by prejudice... As Lao Tzu in his Art of War book would say... If you know yourself but don't know the enemy.. you won half the battle... but if your know the enemy and you know yourself... then you already won the war. Present day Jihad could mean... winning souls by showing our life as examples. to imitate Christ is actually to embrace and live a life of Islam.

I don't know if this is appropriate right now but I feel like qouting the Holy Qur'an... this is a chapter which after I have read it - made me decide to do my Shahada.

Surah' al' Ma'idah 5: 82

"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers to be the Jews and those who associate others with Allah; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "WE ARE CHRISTIANS," That is because among them are PRIESTS and MONKS and Because THEY ARE NOT ARROGANT."

83: "And when they hear what has been revealed to the Messenger, you see their eyes overflowing with TEARS because of what they have recognized of the TRUTH. They say, "OUR LORD, WE HAVE BELIEVE, SO REGISTER US AMONG THE WITNESSES."


Oh what a beautiful revelation... and it felt like it was only yesterday that I have first encountered this verses.... and it is God himself saying it.

Woodrow... the call for prophethood is becoming stronger.

 

[Ebtisweetsam]

Those of us who are reverts did not become so because we were told we were evil, misguided, or anti-Muslim. we reverted simply because we saw the truth.

To be honest for over 50 years people that tried to tell me of the "evils" of Christianity only made me want to defend Christianity and put blinders on me that made it difficult to see the truth.

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Im at a loss for words......... dumbfounded....... i really didnt know that.

I mean it soooo makes logical sense, but in my case, the penny dropped (now im sure youve heard that one, being from texas and all....)

 

[Muslim Woman]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.




bro believer , thank u so much for all answers but i guess it was wrong of me to ask u in this thread --

Sorry about that

Here current Christians are supposed to give ans --not the formers. Sorry if our Christian participants think we have hijacked their thread :hiding:

 

[Grace Seeker]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

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[Ebtisweetsam]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

You two have been having an interesting conversation. I don't begruge anyone that. Maybe you would find it just as convenient to have the conversation here: Muslims Discuss Christiantiy Amongst Other Muslims.

I totally agree with you, however sometimes you lose urself in the coversation........ havent you ever 'lost track of time', as they say........

 

[believer]

Re: Questions about Christians. Requesting answers from Christians.

bro believer , thank u so much for all answers but i guess it was wrong of me to ask u in this thread --

Sorry about that

Here current Christians are supposed to give ans --not the formers. Sorry if our Christian participants think we have hijacked their thread :hiding:

Salaamualaikum sis;

no need to apologize... sometimes we get carried away due to our passion to our religion. Everything happens for a reason... there are no accidents... but only Allah knows best.

Sorry guys for going off topic.
May Allah be pleased with us and bless us all here.... Ameen.

 

[Grace Seeker]

But now, you've been reposted in this thread for Muslims to talk about Christianity. So, see how appropriate you conversation was after all. :thumbs_up

(But mine aren't, so I had better quickly bow out. eace: )

 

[believer]

I havent read any material or literature about verses in the Bible that indicated the coming of Prophet Muhammad (RAW)...

But when I was reading the Bible... comprehending its entire context - it was actually suggesting that I look into Islam.

I have encountered some verses which gives me the impression that Jesus Christ (pbuh) was living a life of a Muslim... the way he prayed... and especially about his answer when he was asked why his apostles didn't wash their hands when they ate.

Is there any written compilation of verses which talked about the coming of Islam and the way of Islam.

I haven't tried Google yet... and please don't tell me to Google it.

 

[Woodrow]

I havent read any material or literature about verses in the Bible that indicated the coming of Prophet Muhammad (RAW)...

But when I was reading the Bible... comprehending its entire context - it was actually suggesting that I look into Islam.

I have encountered some verses which gives me the impression that Jesus Christ (pbuh) was living a life of a Muslim... the way he prayed... and especially about his answer when he was asked why his apostles didn't wash their hands when they ate.

Is there any written compilation of verses which talked about the coming of Islam and the way of Islam.

I haven't tried Google yet... and please don't tell me to Google it.

Just my own opinion and from personal impressions. I find the comment:

Is there any written compilation of verses which talked about the coming of Islam and the way of Islam.

To be an erroneous view. Islam always was. Adam was Muslim. Therefore there is no foretelling of the advent of Islam, simply because it has always been from the first man onward. You can not foretell an existing event, you can only explain the event. I find that to some degree all prior scriptures have told us to submit to Allah(swt) and to worship Him alone. Some of the methodology as to how we should may have been altered or lost in older scriptures, but the message can still be seen, especially after you have seen the verification as to what the message is, in the Noble Qur'an.

I also feel the same as you do in this regard:

But when I was reading the Bible... comprehending its entire context - it was actually suggesting that I look into Islam.

 

[believer]

Thanks Woodrow - it's always an enlightening experience crossing paths with you...

Just for the sake of discussion:

At what point in time was the word ISLAM used?... any idea?

 

[Woodrow]

Thanks Woodrow - it's always an enlightening experience crossing paths with you...

Just for the sake of discussion:

At what point in time was the word ISLAM used?... any idea?

It is also a pleasure to share views with you. I find it very enlightening to see where we have shared expeiences that led to the same conclusion.

Now to find the first usage of the word Islam. I doubt very much a verifiable source can be found as it probably predates written history.

Now to attempt to find the first verifiable writing of the word in Arabic, that can be done with a reasonable degree of accuracy.

We do know that the modern written Arabic of today had it's origins in about 300 CE

It is generally accepted that the Arabic alphabet developed from the script used for Nabataean, a dialect of Aramaic used in northern Arabia and what is now Jordan during roughly the thousand years before the start of the Islamic era. It seems apparent that Syriac also had some influence on its development. The earliest inscription that has been found that is identifiably Arabic is one in Sinai that dates from about A.D. 300. Another Semitic script which was in use at about the same time and which is found on inscriptions in southern Arabia is the origin of the alphabet now used for Amharic, the official language of Ethiopia.

Source: http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/ihame/Ref3.htm

With that said I believe that the first formal writing of the word Islam would have been at the time of Muhammad(PBUH). I do not see where there would have been any prior need for the word as worship was basicaly understood by both the Jews and Early Christians who did worship the one true God(swt). It was only after the time that what was given, had ceased to exist that there was a need for a specific word to designate Islam. The people earlier lived a life of Islam and it did not have to be designated as it was self explanatory. Just my humble view.

I really do not find the word Islam being written until the Hadiths

Tribute, Spoils, and Rulership (Kitab Al-Kharaj, Wal-Fai' Wal-Imarah)
Dawud :: Book 19 : Hadith 2928
Narrated Ghalib al-Qattan:

Ghalib quoted a man who stated on the authority of his father that his grandfather reported: They lived at one of the springs. When Islam reached them, the master of the spring offered his people one hundred camels if they embraced Islam. So they embraced Islam, and he distributed the camels among them. But it occurred to him that he should take the camels back from them.

I doubt if there was any need for a specific word until we began to be seen as different from others who claimed to be believers. Sort of like the Early Christians still called themselves Jews.

The meaning of the word Islam predates history. I am certain an equivalent word meaning: "Submission to God(swt)" exists in many ancient languages either as a single word or as a phrase.

 

[Muslim Woman]

I havent read any material or literature about verses in the Bible that indicated the coming of Prophet Muhammad (RAW)...

did not see the video ....looks interesting

Muhammed (pbuh) in Various Scriptures



By Zakir Naik Islamic Research Center -


muhammed (p) , islam, bible, tao, bouddha, quran, scripture, scriptures, prophecies, prophet, christianity, judaism, ...


http://www.gofish.com/player.gfp?gfid=30-1130150



WHAT THE BIBLE
SAYS ABOUT
MUHAMMED
(Peace be Upon Him)


--late Ahmed Deedat

http://www.jamaat.net/muhinbible/muhinbible.html