Muslims dying daily

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[Akil]

Zman “your facts” are questionable and smack of propaganda and baseless conspiracy theories. Any sources for these wild claims?

 

[Sami Zaatari]

errr..

Narrated by Anas:
Allah’s Apostle said: “Help your brother whether he is an oppressor or an oppressed,” A man said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I will help him if he is oppressed, but if he is an oppressor, how should I help him?” The Prophet said, “By preventing him from oppressing (others), for that is how to help him.”
[Al-Bukhari: 85, 84]

Also, I'm sure I've read a hadith where it was stated that solving a problem between brothers was more worthy of reward than itikaf.

correct me if I'm wrong, just wondering.

making peace is different than getting involved in the fight.

 

[Zman]

I dare say there was a problem before the invasion of Kuwait. The real problem was the debts accumulated from the disastrous war with Iran which had been partially funded with loans from other Arab states. Clearly, the measures taken were insufficient.

Firstly, our ambassador to Kuwait gave Saddam the green light to handle the Kuwaiti issue, directly.

Secondly, the U.S. government provided Saddam with sattelite imagery of Iranian troop deployments, during that war.

Do you not remember the image of Rumsfeld in Baghdad shaking Saddams hand (I believe 2 weeks after the massacre of the Kurds of Halabjah).

Thirdly, the U.S. government supplied Saddam with the chemical weapons that were used against the Iranians and the Iraqi Kurds.

And some Arab states actively supported Iraq through financial aid and military hardware. They made it appear as an "Arab vs. Persian" War. So, he was in some way representing them in this war.

Lastly, Saddam was wrong, but by no means is he solely responsible for what happened.

BTW..the Lebanese Civil War was arguably an international problem, given the involvement of the Syrians.

Wrong again. It was a regional crisis.

The Syrians were invited in by the Lebanese government (after the civil war started, and it was obvious that the Lebanese government couldn't contain it), with the approval of the Arab League and it's member states. They were there in an attempt to separate the warring factions.

The civil war lasted 15 years due to the involvement of many foreign governments, who used Lebanese soil & people as pawns (a proxy nation) in their Cold War battles.

Some of those nations were: the Israeli's, the U.S. the Soviet Union, the French, the Libyans, the saudis, then the Syrians got involved by supporting some factions, etc.

Technically that's when it became secondarily an international issue, due to the foreign actors that were involved (But, primarily, it was still a regional issue).

But, it was resolved by the Arab nations on a regional level. The U.N. nor the West had a hand in its resolution...

 

[Zman]

Zman “your facts” are questionable and smack of propaganda and baseless conspiracy theories.

Of course they are. That's your convenient excuse for shooting-down an issue that doesn't conform to your own views.

Any sources for these wild claims?

Yes there are. But, I gave you the info, it's your obligation to disprove what I said.

I'm not going to do your work for you...

So, either prove me wrong, or hold your peace..

 

[Akil]

Yes there are. But, I gave you the info, it's your obligation to disprove what I said.

I'm not going to do your work for you...

So, either prove me wrong, or hold your peace..

That’s not the way it works homie. I’m guessing you were never on a debate team >.<

What you have confirmed for me is either you have made this up and have no sources other than your own imagination and perhaps things you have been told OR your smart enough to realize the sources you do have are totally un-credible and would destroy your own argument.

 

[Zman]

That’s not the way it works homie. I’m guessing you were never on a debate team >.<

What you have confirmed for me is either you have made this up and have no sources other than your own imagination and perhaps things you have been told OR your smart enough to realize the sources you do have are totally un-credible and would destroy your own argument.

Another unsuccessful evasion. So be it...