Muslims in Non-Muslim societies and Non-Muslims in Muslim societies

[LearnIslam]

Hi,

I am not a Muslim, and I feel that it is completely wrong to criticize something without attempting to at least understand it. What I want to ask is pretty much the topic here.

What does Islam say about expression with regard to Non-Muslims expressing, preaching their faiths (which they know to be true) to Muslims?

What does Islam say about expression with regard to Muslims in non-Muslim majority countries? (1 and 2)

If I can hold anything against Muslims (just in disagreement) over this, it would be that their point of view seems to be different when the situations are reversed. In this regard.

Is it Islamic to allow Christian, Hindu, Buddhist freely practicing their faith or allow them to propagate it (like Muslims are permitted to do so in Britain or the many other countries)? (3)

In terms of Islamic morality, was it right for the Muslims to have invaded Persia and prosecuted the Zoroastrians? (4)

 

[naba]

Assalamalecum,your answer is given by Allah already in the form of commandments 1400 yrs ago in Quran to whole mankind-Allah forbids compulsion in religion in ch 2 v 256 of Quran, Allah in ch 6 v 108 of Quran forbids abusing other religions because in ignorance their followers will curse Allah, Allah in ch 88 v 21-22 says our job is to convey the message, guidance is given only by Allah.Allah in ch 109 v 1-6 of Quran says-"Say,"O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship, Nor are you worshippers of what I worship, Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship, Nor will you be a worshipper ofwwhat I worship, For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

 

[LearnIslam]

"O disbelievers, I do not worship what you worship, Nor are you worshippers of what I worship, Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship, Nor will you be a worshipper ofwwhat I worship, For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."

Can you then tell this to all the Muslim leaders around the world who are intolerant towards other religions and say things like "Embrace Islam or die"? Zoroastrianism didn't go from Persia because they evaporated into thin air.

 

[naba]

Well Alhamdulillah I am doing this on fb, google+, twitter in a hope to send these msg to them.but ugly truth is almost every muslim has Quran kept at top of shelf in his home, problem is they themselves don't want to read Quran.because clearly Allah mentions in ch 29 v 45 says recite the revealation given by Allah so that we can be refrained from shameful acts.

 

[Futuwwa]

Most Muslims don't support the forced conversion of infidels. That goes for lay Muslims as well as for clerics, religious scholars and state leaders.

As for (4), if you want people to answer your questions, it helps if you don't load them.

 

[MuslimInshallah]

Greetings LearnIslam,

(smile) Thank you for taking the time to find out.

First, I would like to just point something out: Islam is a state of being in relationship to God. Islam does not, therefore "say" anything. But God does. And His Prophets have (Blessings on them all).

What does Islam say about expression with regard to Non-Muslims expressing, preaching their faiths (which they know to be true) to Muslims?

Mmm (smile), if you accept God's Words as Guidance in this, then you would be Muslim. If you want to know how Muslims should speak:

Qur'an 16:125:

Sahih International
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.

What does Islam say about expression with regard to Muslims in non-Muslim majority countries? (1 and 2)

Mmm, sorry, I'm not completely clear on your question here, but I think I may have answered this after your first question. In a nutshell, Muslims should preach politely, wisely and with knowledge.

If I can hold anything against Muslims (just in disagreement) over this, it would be that their point of view seems to be different when the situations are reversed. In this regard.

Mmm, you'll have to clarify this…it seems to me that you have an unspoken understanding. If you could explain it, it would be easier to discuss whatever it is.

Is it Islamic to allow Christian, Hindu, Buddhist freely practicing their faith or allow them to propagate it (like Muslims are permitted to do so in Britain or the many other countries)? (3)

(smile) Mmm, there are many different sources on this. Certainly the Prophet (Peace be upon him) and at least some (that I have read of) of his companions (may God be Pleased with them) were open to discussions with peoples of other faiths. And there have been Muslim leaders in many places (but not all places, in all times) who have ruled over multicultural communities in a peaceful and respectful way. As for propagation, I suppose this would depend on what you mean. Talking about your faith is not a problem. Coercing people into following your faith would be. In Britain, Muslims (to the best of my knowledge, but I am in Canada) talk about their faith, but do not coerce people into it (though there are probably individual exceptions to this- there are unpleasant people of all stripes).

In terms of Islamic morality, was it right for the Muslims to have invaded Persia and prosecuted the Zoroastrians? (4)

This is two questions, actually. From what I recall, Muslims fought against an aggressive Empire, and won. Self-defence is permissible for Muslims. As for the Zoroastrians in particular, could you give me some sources for your statement that Muslims persecuted the Zoroastrians (smile. To save me from having to research this. I have not heard of this previously)?

May God, the Gentle and Kind, Bless you for your efforts and good intentions.

 

[LearnIslam]

Most Muslims don't support the forced conversion of infidels. That goes for lay Muslims as well as for clerics, religious scholars and state leaders.

As for (4), if you want people to answer your questions, it helps if you don't load them.

Do they support people in Muslim world considering other faiths? Everything you say is nice, but the history and present isn't. Non-Muslim populations have been displaced by Muslims in early times as well as now.

 

[LearnIslam]

Hello. Thank you. I say the Zoroastrians were persecuted because their history says so. How did the Arabs fight in self-defense inside another country?

The faith of the Creator is indeed one. One truth was revealed. But every one says what they have is the truth. By what means do you judge.

Islam (not God, who is not know) does have rules. These are mentioned in the Quran. Isa (Jesus) came and taught about kindness but it is only the hoary things, which can even be detrimental that take the spot light. They cause means of separation. Even if you hold Islam is the Creator's word, who then are Shia, Sunni etc who are killing each other.

The Creator's faith has nothing to do with one language or a particular people's (say Jew, Arab, Persian etc) culture. But it has been hijacked this way.

 

[LearnIslam]

Greetings LearnIslam,

(smile) Thank you for taking the time to find out.

First, I would like to just point something out: Islam is a state of being in relationship to God. Islam does not, therefore "say" anything. But God does. And His Prophets have (Blessings on them all).



Mmm (smile), if you accept God's Words as Guidance in this, then you would be Muslim. If you want to know how Muslims should speak:

Qur'an 16:125:

Sahih International
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided.



Mmm, sorry, I'm not completely clear on your question here, but I think I may have answered this after your first question. In a nutshell, Muslims should preach politely, wisely and with knowledge.



Mmm, you'll have to clarify this…it seems to me that you have an unspoken understanding. If you could explain it, it would be easier to discuss whatever it is.



(smile) Mmm, there are many different sources on this. Certainly the Prophet (Peace be upon him) and at least some (that I have read of) of his companions (may God be Pleased with them) were open to discussions with peoples of other faiths. And there have been Muslim leaders in many places (but not all places, in all times) who have ruled over multicultural communities in a peaceful and respectful way. As for propagation, I suppose this would depend on what you mean. Talking about your faith is not a problem. Coercing people into following your faith would be. In Britain, Muslims (to the best of my knowledge, but I am in Canada) talk about their faith, but do not coerce people into it (though there are probably individual exceptions to this- there are unpleasant people of all stripes).



This is two questions, actually. From what I recall, Muslims fought against an aggressive Empire, and won. Self-defence is permissible for Muslims. As for the Zoroastrians in particular, could you give me some sources for your statement that Muslims persecuted the Zoroastrians (smile. To save me from having to research this. I have not heard of this previously)?

May God, the Gentle and Kind, Bless you for your efforts and good intentions.

Every one today thinks they have the truth. But none do, I assure you. The truth was given though. I don't know online sources to point but there is a small community in India who trace their history to this past.

We should be in search of the Creator's faith. I have no objection. But we see that those who don't have Imaan or goodness in themselves are preaching.

You say Muslims should preach preach politely and nicely. But is it wrong to assume that many people in say UK are uncomfortable with this talk happening?

Where a person comes and speaks about Islam and patronizes the other person about their faith or way of life. Think of it really - if others came to you with this conviction that their faith is right, what facts do you have to actually know which is the Creator's faith?

These are just number games. Who amongst those who take this effort to convert are themselves perfectly established in their path?

 

[LearnIslam]

Wikipedia is not the best source. But if you haven't heard this, see the sources in the article "Persecution_of_Zoroastrians". I can't post a link yet.

 

[naba]

Well to know islam don't look at people read the book, you are right that it is very easy to preach to others irrespective of whether you are on straight path or not.well I explain to you when muslims like me who were way away from Quran till age 21 (in my case), and when Allah showed us guidance we opened Quran Allah says in ch 88 v 21-22 convey the msg giving guidance is in hands of Allah.this is known as Dawah, but the beauty of this deed is the one who spreads this msg is benefitting like if I say don't smoke to somebody then automatically I m saving myself from this act like nowadays I say to others not to skip salaah so automatically I m reminding myself first and then others because Allah hates those who preach but not practice as mentioned in ch 2 v 44 of Quran.regarding proving whether Quran is word of Allah or not, there are several examples like this Allah in ch 75 v 3-4 of Quran says do they think that Allah can't assemble them by their bones.Allah can aassemble by their fingertips.this was mentioned 1400 yrs ago,but in 1880 sir francis gallot invented fingerprinting technique which was based on fact that no two individuals can have same fingerprints.this was thefact Allah said this long time aago.prophet Muhammad S.A.W ( pbuh ) could not have said this because he was illiterate.

 

[LearnIslam]

naba

I don't doubt that the truth was given by the Creator. I do say however that it is being hijacked. This is why all the wars in the region. You think about this - if the Jews are warring against those in Gaza, the Shias and Sunnis are fighting against each other. Who is following the word of the Creator? If it is one, why all this trouble? Certainly everyone is sure they were given the word!

The Creator's glory can dim the radiance of a thousand suns. He created the gentle fluttering of the butterfly, and also the power of lightening and the hurricanes. It is not stated as a joke that He sees everything.

In this light, reflect what is indeed the right path and His will, and if the leaders in the Middle East are acting in accordance to the Creator. If they are hurt they show how evil the others are, while they scheme to do evil things in the side.

 

[umairlooms]

i don't doubt Muslims have committed atrocities, as have almost any other religious group ever to roam the earth.
However, it is best to distinguish religion as a motivation, or at least the primary motivation.
even so, if religion was the motivation for them, it doesn't say much about the religion and only about the perpetrators.
Its imperative to distinguish the objective of the ones that committed those crimes and what it says about religion, nationality etc

An analogical comparison can also help distinguish the inherent bias when discussing Muslim atrocities eg the atrocities committed by Hindus on sikhs, the European on red Indians, the Chinese on Tibetans etc, were NOT religiously or ideologically motivated. Semantics can make it confusing to really see the underlying motivation and i am very sure in each case the motivation can/might have been either various, or something other than religion (although that might have been a motivation, which then again says nothing about the religion)

 

[LearnIslam]

umairlooms

The Islamic world is at a point of self-conflict. I have to remind you I am an ally of Islam. We are facing a bitter reality that wherever Muslims go in this world (non-Muslim countries), there is some level of fear and suspicion. Its a result of the leadership in the Muslim world - there is low development in science and technology, no vision of the future, religious control, constant conflict between Muslim factions.

The Creator sent messengers to help us, but only the most oppressive thoughts are spread. Muslims feel fear in turn because they are viewed with suspicion, you see? It is not necessary to prove you have the truth, it is not necessary to prove you have the Creator's word. The Islamic world should get in order.