Muslims pay tribute to UK's armed forces.

[Jedi]

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Muslims pay tribute to UK's armed forces.

Page last updated at 16:44 GMT, Saturday, 3 July 2010 17:44 UK

Muslim women lay wreaths at the National Memorial Arboretum

A group of Muslim women have laid a wreath at the National Memorial Arboretum in honour of those who died fighting for the UK.
L/Cpl Jabron Hashmi, 24, from Birmingham, was the first British Muslim soldier to die in a Taliban attack in Afghanistan, in July 2006.
On the anniversary weekend of his death the women paid their respects at the Staffordshire centre.
The ceremony was organised by the Muslim Armed Forces Association.
L/Cpl Hashmi died in a Taliban attack on his base in Helmand It said 500 Muslims were currently serving in the British armed forces.
Kalsoom Bashir, who attended the ceremony said: "We are here for two reasons, to say that as mothers we share the grief of those that have lost their loved ones and we salute the loyalty of those men and women that have laid down their lives for our country.
"Secondly we are here to say loud and clear to those extremists that would exploit that grief, you're not one of us, you don't represent us."
A group of Muslims protested against the presence of British troops in Afghanistan when the Second Battalion Royal Anglian Regiment took part in a homecoming parade through Luton in March 2009.
Mrs Bashir said the behaviour of that sector of the Muslim community had "shocked" and "outraged" her.
I do not want wider society to be afraid of me as a Muslim woman.
Wreath layer Kalsoom Bashir
She said: "They were exploiting a very sensitive time. It was a time to show compassion. They were in contradiction of the principles of the faith that they claim to represent, it is not the religion I know and recognise."
Mr Hashmi's brother Zeehan, 31, said his mother had also joined the memorial ceremony.
Zeehan said he thought it was positive for Muslims to show their support for the British armed forces.

 

[Jedi]

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[aadil77]

I think its disgusting, they might as well go and spit on the graves of the many dead muslims in afghanistan killed for absolutely no reason. They're all sellouts and bootlickers (including the imam), they're a disgrace to the majority of muslims who know where the loyalties belong. They've sold their faith just to get some approval from non-muslims.

 

[S<Chowdhury]

I think its disgusting, they might as well go and spit on the graves of the many dead muslims in afghanistan killed for absolutely no reason. They're all sellouts and bootlickers (including the imam), they're a disgrace to the majority of muslims who know where the loyalties belong. They've sold their faith just to get some approval from non-muslims.

^^ Surprise Surprise haha Bro i didnt expect anything less

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

I think they are just as disgraceful as those muslims that were at homecoming parade. No differences, in my opinion.

What about those non Muslims that also disagree with the phony wars? They are too extremists?

You only have to be a Muslim and disagree with the wars to become extremists. I don’t see why Muslims have to stoop that low to “prove” that they are not extremists.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

But wait I just read it probably, these are not just any odd Muslims; they are mothers or female relatives of Muslim solider that died in the war. Of course that doesn’t excuse the fact the wars has killed innocent Muslims and serve no purpose. They shouldn’t be kissing the armed forces backside even if they were grieving for their sons.


Also we just feed a troll. No more replies from me.

 

[Trumble]

What about those non Muslims that also disagree with the phony wars? They are too extremists?

There is a distinction between 'supporting' a war, and supporting and acknowledging the courage and sacrifice of the troops who are sent to fight it. All wars result in the innocent being killed, it makes no difference whether they are 'justified' or not. Nor does their religion - nor that of the killers - make any difference either. In Afghanistan far more muslims have been killed BY muslims than by anybody else.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

There is a distinction between 'supporting' a war, and supporting and acknowledging the courage and sacrifice of the troops who are sent to fight it. All wars result in the innocent being killed, it makes no difference whether they are 'justified' or not. Nor does their religion - nor that of the killers - make any difference either. In Afghanistan far more muslims have been killed BY muslims than by anybody else.

Actually it does matter if the war was justified. You don’t see the Germans supporting those who sacrificed in Neo Nazi war, do you? I mean they sacrifice their lives to fight against "outsiders". And they (soldiers) were supporting Hitler, killing of women, children, black, polish, Jews etc.


If you are against the war, I don’t see why anyone should support soldiers. They are merely doing what they have been paid to do.


Your last sentence, have you got proof for this or you just going by what the baised media says?
I do acknowledge there are Muslims that killed Muslims in the war. And I do no way support the Taliban. But do you honestly think the media would ever report innocent people being killed by British Armed forces unless they forced to? I don’t think so...

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

What do you think about this?

i don't know. what do you think of your own family member who backstabs your family?

 

[marwen]

There is a distinction between 'supporting' a war, and supporting and acknowledging the courage and sacrifice of the troops who are sent to fight it. All wars result in the innocent being killed, it makes no difference whether they are 'justified' or not. Nor does their religion - nor that of the killers - make any difference either.

That makes no sense !

Here is an example : If you see a killer in the street who is murdering an old innocent lady. But because the lady was defending herself, it took him 2 hours to finish her. Would you say : "oh, that man was very brave and courageous, It took him tow exhausting hours to finish his job". Yes you're not supporting his act but you support his courage ?! how ridiculous is that !

In Afghanistan far more muslims have been killed BY muslims than by anybody else.

I'm not sure if that is true. But what's the point here ? Do you want to say : if muslims are killed by muslims, so why not non-muslim troops kill some of them too ! ?

 

[Snowflake]

Talk about being gorafied! May Allah guide them.

 

[The_Prince]

There is a distinction between 'supporting' a war, and supporting and acknowledging the courage and sacrifice of the troops who are sent to fight it. All wars result in the innocent being killed, it makes no difference whether they are 'justified' or not. Nor does their religion - nor that of the killers - make any difference either. In Afghanistan far more muslims have been killed BY muslims than by anybody else.

There is no 'courage' in fighting an illegal war against a people who have done nothing against you, and against a country who is much weaker than you. so please tell me, what courage? the soldiers go in with the best equipment, technology, and back up, and they face a bunch of guys with small arms fire, ak's, rocket launchers, and men fighting around in sandals! so please give us a break with this 'courage' nonsense, if anything, the ones with courage are the ones who stand up against a vastly superior army as in this case.

furthermore they didn't commit any sacrifice, they died for nothing, and for something illegal. tell me, what sacrifice are you making when you are fighting for an illegal cause?

so give us a break, these soldiers are not heroes, nor shall they ever be, and you and your media can keep repeating this rubbish that you just said, but all the facts say otherwise.

again, let's compare, the most sophisticated armies on earth vs local villagers with small arms fire, who really are the brave ones making sacrifices?????

 

[Woodrow]

Perhaps we all would be better off not passing judgment, unless we truly know what is in the other person's heart. Do we really know anything except the dead soldiers called themselves Muslim? Do we have any understanding why they felt being in the UK army was justified or as to how any why they may have thought they were serving Allaah(swt). We may be appalled at the act, but do any of us actually understand why they felt they were doing the right thing?

It may be many generations in the future before there is any understanding of what has and is happening in today's world.

 

[aadil77]

In Afghanistan far more muslims have been killed BY muslims than by anybody else.

Is that another pathetic excuse to justify a war, like the one about women not being able to go to school? Although I don't believe that statement in the slightest (unless you're including ANA and NA deaths), even if it were true it - it would be as a result of the foreign illegal invasion, wouldn't have happened if people had minded their own business

There is a distinction between 'supporting' a war, and supporting and acknowledging the courage and sacrifice of the troops who are sent to fight it.

Theres no courage in terrorism and fighting illegal wars - its no sacrifice - just a waste

All wars result in the innocent being killed, it makes no difference whether they are 'justified' or not. Nor does their religion - nor that of the killers - make any difference either.

If innocents die for an unjustified illegal war, then it does make a difference cause they died for absolutely nothing, if they die in the process of justified war then atleast their sacrifice meant something and was for something positive in the end. Religion does make a difference to us, especially if its non-muslims that invade our countries, thats when jihad in self defence becomes obligatory.

 

[aadil77]

Perhaps we all would be better off not passing judgment, unless we truly know what is in the other person's heart. Do we really know anything except the dead soldiers called themselves Muslim? Do we have any understanding why they felt being in the UK army was justified or as to how any why they may have thought they were serving Allaah(swt). We may be appalled at the act, but do any of us actually understand why they felt they were doing the right thing?

It may be many generations in the future before there is any understanding of what has and is happening in today's world.

We're not just talking about the dead 'muslim' soldiers, how about the imams and muslim groups that can come on tv infront of the whole world and give 'tribute' to soldiers waging wars against muslims. When muslims can do that, I don't think it longer matters whats in their 'hearts' as their actions have spoken loud enough, they're sinning openly so they are faasiqs.

 

[Rhubarb Tart]

I did not judge the dead Muslim solider or even their relatives or the funeral whatever they were attending! I am opposing to the fact that they feel and expressed the war was justified. Iraq is never ending mess since the war, how do they feel satisfied or even proud about that? I am not a fan of Hussein or Taliban either.

 

[Trumble]

That makes no sense !

Here is an example : If you see a killer in the street who is murdering an old innocent lady. But because the lady was defending herself, it took him 2 hours to finish her. Would you say : "oh, that man was very brave and courageous, It took him tow exhausting hours to finish his job". Yes you're not supporting his act but you support his courage ?! how ridiculous is that !

Totally ridiculous, but you are the one not making sense. It takes no courage to murder an innocent old lady; but regardless of the ignorant and puerile nonsense from the Talifans it takes considerable courage to fight a well organised and motivated guerilla force, be that in Afghanistan, Vietnam, WW2 Greece, Napoleonic Spain or wherever. None of those wars was justifiable, at least from the perspective of the best equipped force.

I'm not sure if that is true. But what's the point here ? Do you want to say : if muslims are killed by muslims, so why not non-muslim troops kill some of them too ! ?

Of course it's true, it's just not convenient for the Talifans and their little fantasy world. And no, I do not want to say that. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy in suggesting troops should not be supported when they are killing muslims (presumably killing anybody else is just peachy?) both when other muslims are killing the same muslims, and when they are allied - in both cases we are discussing - with other muslims. As I said, that is totally different from supporting the war, or demanding that it be ended and the troops brought home.

 

[Scorpian]

What do you think about this?

Muslims pay tribute to UK's armed forces.

Page last updated at 16:44 GMT, Saturday, 3 July 2010 17:44 UK

Muslim women lay wreaths at the National Memorial Arboretum

A group of Muslim women have laid a wreath at the National Memorial Arboretum in honour of those who died fighting for the UK.
L/Cpl Jabron Hashmi, 24, from Birmingham, was the first British Muslim soldier to die in a Taliban attack in Afghanistan, in July 2006.
On the anniversary weekend of his death the women paid their respects at the Staffordshire centre.
The ceremony was organised by the Muslim Armed Forces Association.
L/Cpl Hashmi died in a Taliban attack on his base in Helmand It said 500 Muslims were currently serving in the British armed forces.
Kalsoom Bashir, who attended the ceremony said: "We are here for two reasons, to say that as mothers we share the grief of those that have lost their loved ones and we salute the loyalty of those men and women that have laid down their lives for our country.
"Secondly we are here to say loud and clear to those extremists that would exploit that grief, you're not one of us, you don't represent us."
A group of Muslims protested against the presence of British troops in Afghanistan when the Second Battalion Royal Anglian Regiment took part in a homecoming parade through Luton in March 2009.
Mrs Bashir said the behaviour of that sector of the Muslim community had "shocked" and "outraged" her.
I do not want wider society to be afraid of me as a Muslim woman.
Wreath layer Kalsoom Bashir
She said: "They were exploiting a very sensitive time. It was a time to show compassion. They were in contradiction of the principles of the faith that they claim to represent, it is not the religion I know and recognise."
Mr Hashmi's brother Zeehan, 31, said his mother had also joined the memorial ceremony.
Zeehan said he thought it was positive for Muslims to show their support for the British armed forces.

I say:
U go sisters hehe.I didn`t even know any muslims where serving in the army.Bet that shut them nationalist scum bags up, i can now use that in my next youtube argument hehe.

 

[marwen]

That makes no sense !
Here is an example : If you see a killer in the street who is murdering an old innocent lady. But because the lady was defending herself, it took him 2 hours to finish her. Would you say : "oh, that man was very brave and courageous, It took him tow exhausting hours to finish his job". Yes you're not supporting his act but you support his courage ?! how ridiculous is that !

Totally ridiculous, but you are the one not making sense. It takes no courage to murder an innocent old lady; but regardless of the ignorant and puerile nonsense from the Talifans it takes considerable courage to fight a well organised and motivated guerilla force, be that in Afghanistan, Vietnam, WW2 Greece, Napoleonic Spain or wherever. None of those wars was justifiable, at least from the perspective of the best equipped force.

What is the difference between killing an innocent lady in the street, and murdering innocent people in Vietnam or Afghanistan. Is it about the courage of going to war ? is that gonna justify the crimes they're doing ? and what courage is that when they are using advanced weapons to kill innocent people in their homes, or at least to fight a bunch of guys who defend their selves with knifes and old guns ? (it's not my problem if this bunch of guys kicked their a*s)
How can you support a war that is not justified. There is no honor, no courage and no sacrifice if you are fighting for despicable purposes.

Of course it's true, it's just not convenient for the Talifans and their little fantasy world. And no, I do not want to say that. I am merely pointing out the hypocrisy in suggesting troops should not be supported when they are killing muslims (presumably killing anybody else is just peachy?) both when other muslims are killing the same muslims, and when they are allied - in both cases we are discussing - with other muslims. As I said, that is totally different from supporting the war, or demanding that it be ended and the troops brought home.

Now that you insist on the fact that more muslims are killed by muslims, you're gonna have to show us your sources, unless you made the statistics by yourself.

 

[Trumble]

What is the difference between killing an innocent lady in the street, and murdering innocent people in Vietnam or Afghanistan. Is it about the courage of going to war ? is that gonna justify the crimes they're doing ? and what courage is that when they are using advanced weapons to kill innocent people in their homes, or at least to fight a bunch of guys who defend their selves with knifes and old guns ? (it's not my problem if this bunch of guys kicked their a*s)

I'm afraid I can't do anything about your ignorance. Innocents were murdered in cold blood in Vietnam and no doubt in Afghanistan as well (by all sides - check the source below), but the vast majority of operations by both sides are combat related. Civilians die, usually by mistake, however sophisticated your weapons and intelligence - that's an inevitability of war. The 'knives and old guns' stuff is BS in the context of this sort of war, just as it would have been talking about the Vietcong or any similar guerilla or partisan group.

How can you support a war that is not justified. There is no honor, no courage and no sacrifice if you are fighting for despicable purposes.

If we are talking about Afghanistan I don't support it. Your second sentence is abject nonsense, as obviously whether a purpose is 'despicable' or not is purely subjective. For example (and there are many, many more) both German and Japanese troops fought WW2 for 'despicable' purposes but nobody would seriously claim their troops were devoid of courage, honour, and made no sacrifices. Go read up on Stalingrad or Okinawa.

Now that you insist on the fact that more muslims are killed by muslims, you're gonna have to show us your sources, unless you made the statistics by yourself.

Sorry, no fairy stories HERE. While you are there you might want to read up on who exactly all those Taliban IEDs are killing and maiming, as well.