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Asalamu Alaikum.

Alhamdulillah I follow the Quran and Hadith. Does it say in the Quran that we must follow the Hadith?? I know someone who followed Hadith, wore abaya and was considering wearing niqab..now that she has started attending islamic school she's been told hadiths are "fake" anyone can change them where as the Quran hasn't and will not be changed..she said "I hate Hadith" Astagferullah.

She says women should wear loose clothes so body shape is not visible but wearing head scarf and covering the head is not fardh. She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith? How do we know if the hadiths are real? Allah said follow Quran so following Hadith is shirk. She does understand that the Prophet pbuh did what Allah swt told him to.."nor does he speak his own desire"..she says the prophet pbuh did not write the hadiths so how do we know people haven't made things up??Please provide answers with reference from Quran. JazakAllah.
 
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I just, JUST woke up and am not thinking clearly enough to organize my thoughts yet, but here is a link to my notes so far on Hadith and how they were collected from my IOU course. It includes Qur'anic verses and is basically an outline of everything (from the first three parts of the class) on how Hadith are organized, authenticated, should be adhered to, etc. Insha'Allah I'll put this into something more condense for general reading later today but you're welcome to pick through it in the meantime.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1L8A-OGAJukeU_9adv4vfIolttFRBLxkBpXgB0IIuWGk/edit?usp=sharing
 
:bism: (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

:sl: (Peace be upon you)

Sister, either your friend has misunderstood what the teachers are teaching or some really bad teachers are giving lectures in this so-called "islamic school."

There is zero way a person can understand the Qur'an without the aegis of ahadith (prophetic traditions); if a person rejects ahadith (prophetic traditions) altogether, that person essentially becomes a non-Muslim and would be characterized that way under shariah (Islamic law).

Frankly, what's more likely to have happened is that your friend has learned some ahadith that she didn't really like due to finding them facially harsh (without learning as yet context) and in the process of learning that there is a possibility that some ahadith can possibly be characterized as weak, she thinks she's found a loophole to reject them altogether. However, even some of the weak ahadith are characterized as such due to the chain of transmission and not because they're not true. I fear for your friend's iman (faith) and I ask that you pray for her and do not let her influence you in this matter because she's not even 1% correct.

Regrets1 said:
Asalamu Alaikum.

Alhamdulillah I follow the Quran and Hadith. Does it say in the Quran that we must follow the Hadith?? I know someone who followed Hadith, wore abaya and was considering wearing niqab..now that she has started attending islamic school she's been told hadiths are "fake" anyone can change them where as the Quran hasn't and will not be changed..she said "I hate Hadith" Astagferullah.

She says women should wear loose clothes so body shape is not visible but wearing head scarf and covering the head is not fardh. She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith? How do we know if the hadiths are real? Allah said follow Quran so following Hadith is shirk. She does understand that the Prophet pbuh did what Allah swt told him to.."nor does he speak his own desire"..she says the prophet pbuh did not write the hadiths so how do we know people haven't made things up??Please provide answers with reference from Quran. JazakAllah.
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:wa: (And peace be upon you)
 
Wa alaykum assalaam,

Regrets1 said:
She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith?
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If everything is in the Qur'an, where does it state how many rakat for each prayer etc?

Regrets1 said:
Allah said follow Quran so following Hadith is shirk.
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I wonder what kind of an "Islamic" school this is.

This is a gross misunderstanding. The authentic hadeeth is essential for a proper understanding of Islam.

The Qur'an, in fact, contrary to what she's said, mandates that we follow the sunnah of the prophet :saws: , and the records of the sunnah are preserved in the authentic hadeeth.

Please read this thread from the linked post onwards. It may be a bit long (eight posts), but perhaps read a post a day, or send her the link so she can read them.

http://www.islamicboard.com/hadith/134325546-follow-hadeeths.html#post2845588

Rejecting the sunnah of the Prophet :saws: has grave implications for our imaan, and is a very serious matter.
 
There is a new group who call themselves "Quran alone" Muslims. They reject all hadithes.
 
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There is zero way a person can understand the Qur'an without the aegis of ahadith (prophetic traditions); if a person rejects ahadith (prophetic traditions) altogether, that person essentially becomes a non-Muslim and would be characterized that way under shariah (Islamic law).
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I am not a Quran alone Muslim but this is something I completely oppose..If one cannot understand Quran witout the aegis of Hadith why Quran identifies itself "a clear Book"?
 
Insaanah said:
Wa alaykum assalaam,



If everything is in the Qur'an, where does it state how many rakat for each prayer etc?



I wonder what kind of an "Islamic" school this is.

This is a gross misunderstanding. The authentic hadeeth is essential for a proper understanding of Islam.

The Qur'an, in fact, contrary to what she's said, mandates that we follow the sunnah of the prophet :saws: , and the records of the sunnah are preserved in the authentic hadeeth.

Please read this thread from the linked post onwards. It may be a bit long (eight posts), but perhaps read a post a day, or send her the link so she can read them.

http://www.islamicboard.com/hadith/134325546-follow-hadeeths.html#post2845588

Rejecting the sunnah of the Prophet :saws: has grave implications for our imaan, and is a very serious matter.
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That's exactly what I asked her..her reply was "how do we know if the Hadith is authentic? Including sahih Bukhari"
 
Regrets1 said:
That's exactly what I asked her..her reply was "how do we know if the Hadith is authentic? Including sahih Bukhari"
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This is a book called Usool al-hadeeth by Dr Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips.

It has chapters on hadeeth compilation, ie what was the position during the Prophets :saws: lifetime, then afterwards during the era of the sahaabah (may Allah be pleased with them) and their followers, how the hadeeth were transmitted, the isnaad system, the conditions for a hadeeth to be saheeh, which things cause a hadeeth to be rejected, how to reconcile between outwardly contradictory texts, the science of validation of hadeeth, etc:

https://islamfuture.files.wordpress...eeth-the-methodology-of-hadith-evaluation.pdf

No short answer will do justice to this.

Please take the time to even read a few pages a day, and maybe a post a day of the other thread that I linked to.
 
Regrets1 said:
Asalamu Alaikum.

Alhamdulillah I follow the Quran and Hadith. Does it say in the Quran that we must follow the Hadith?? I know someone who followed Hadith, wore abaya and was considering wearing niqab..now that she has started attending islamic school she's been told hadiths are "fake" anyone can change them where as the Quran hasn't and will not be changed..she said "I hate Hadith" Astagferullah.

She says women should wear loose clothes so body shape is not visible but wearing head scarf and covering the head is not fardh. She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith? How do we know if the hadiths are real? Allah said follow Quran so following Hadith is shirk. She does understand that the Prophet pbuh did what Allah swt told him to.."nor does he speak his own desire"..she says the prophet pbuh did not write the hadiths so how do we know people haven't made things up??Please provide answers with reference from Quran. JazakAllah.
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Hahaha sorry cant stop laughing... is this real????
 
anatolian said:
I am not a Quran alone Muslim but this is something I completely oppose..If one cannot understand Quran witout the aegis of Hadith why Quran identifies itself "a clear Book"?
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Because the Qur'an does contain the Straight Path which is, worship none but Allah. It gives clear instruction how to do that and one of its instructions on how to do that is to follow the Messenger of Allah. And the Prophet (pbuh) said, “Indeed, I was given the Qur’an and something similar to it along with it.” referring to the hadith.

I originally studied under a teacher who wasn't "Qur'an only" but was definitely "Qur'an mostly"; convincing him a hadith was sahih was very difficult and he is a VERY learned man. Even then he was prone to reinterpret things to the current way of life and *laughs* switching over to a Salafi teacher has been an eye-opening experience. :)
 
Little_Lion said:
Because the Qur'an does contain the Straight Path which is, worship none but Allah. It gives clear instruction how to do that and one of its instructions on how to do that is to follow the Messenger of Allah. And the Prophet (pbuh) said, “Indeed, I was given the Qur’an and something similar to it along with it.” referring to the hadith.

I originally studied under a teacher who wasn't "Qur'an only" but was definitely "Qur'an mostly"; convincing him a hadith was sahih was very difficult and he is a VERY learned man. Even then he was prone to reinterpret things to the current way of life and *laughs* switching over to a Salafi teacher has been an eye-opening experience. :)
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Yes ofcourse Quran itself says to follow the Prophet a.s. but the Prophet a.s. himself said that do not write down his words. People didnt write any hadith until 2 centuries after Him. Buhari first thought to collect a hadith book. And many hadithes had been fabricated until his period.

What was the eye-opening point? I am relly intersted..Salam
 
Regrets1 said:
Asalamu Alaikum.

Alhamdulillah I follow the Quran and Hadith. Does it say in the Quran that we must follow the Hadith?? I know someone who followed Hadith, wore abaya and was considering wearing niqab..now that she has started attending islamic school she's been told hadiths are "fake" anyone can change them where as the Quran hasn't and will not be changed..she said "I hate Hadith" Astagferullah.

She says women should wear loose clothes so body shape is not visible but wearing head scarf and covering the head is not fardh. She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith? How do we know if the hadiths are real? Allah said follow Quran so following Hadith is shirk. She does understand that the Prophet pbuh did what Allah swt told him to.."nor does he speak his own desire"..she says the prophet pbuh did not write the hadiths so how do we know people haven't made things up??Please provide answers with reference from Quran. JazakAllah.
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Quran says..

Follow Prophet...

If you want to follow Prophet, you need Hadiths.

HAadiths are useful to understand how Quran had been understood and practiced by Our leader Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
 
i am not a quran only muslim.

although i am extremely cautious when it comes to hadith.

i think that the dangers of only referring to the quran are far superceded by those people that quote hadiths they have heard..

for the layman.

and since none of us are liers the situation is extremely dangerous.

if the quran can be a source of guidance and misguidance then there is no doubt that the same applies to hadith.

the truth IS subjective it would seem.

allah swt raises and lowers as he wills.. maybe i expect too much from him.

yay for double posts.. so many gremlins on the android version.

using chrome btw.
 
Regrets1 said:
It sure is real..I was so happy when she told me she's attending islamic school, Iv read many comments and stories of people who reject Hadith..never thought someone I know would go that path.
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My advice for u to be far away frm her cause she might corrupt as well.. she lost her eman by saying all of these.. i mean rejection of all hadith.. even quran is also hadith e mutawatir al matlu.... may allah protect muslims all over the world.. in europe muslims are really at hard state staying these stuff either make some one corrupt in eman or hurt his heart for sure....
 
anatolian said:
Yes ofcourse Quran itself says to follow the Prophet a.s. but the Prophet a.s. himself said that do not write down his words. People didnt write any hadith until 2 centuries after Him. Buhari first thought to collect a hadith book.
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:salam:

During the life of the Prophet :saws: there was no pressing need to write down all of his various statements or record his actions because he was present and could be consulted at any time. As a matter of fact, the prophet :saws: himself made a general prohibition against writing down his statements which were other than the Qur’aan itself. This was to prevent the possibility of mixing up the Qur’aan with his own words during the era of revelation. Consequently, the greatest stress regarding writing was placed on recording the Qur’aanic verses. However, there are many authentic narrations collected by the Scholars of Hadeeth that prove that Hadeeth were recorded in writing even during the lifetime of the Prophet :saws: For example, Abdullaah ibn ‘Amr said: “I used to write everything which I heard from the Messenger of Allaah :saws: with the intention of memorizing it. However, some Qurayshites forbade me from doing so saying, ‘Do you write everything that you hear from him, while the Messenger of Allaah :saws: is a human being who speaks in anger and pleasure?’ So I stopped writing, and mentioned it to the Messenger of Allah :saws:. He pointed with his finger to his mouth and said: Write! By Him in whose hand is my soul, only truth comes out from it.’ Aboo hurayrah :ra: said: When Makkah was conquered, the Prophet :saws: stood up and gave a sermon [Aboo Hurayrah then mentioned the sermon]. A man from Yemen, called Aboo Shaah got up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah! Write it down for me.” The Messenger of Allaah :saws: replied, “Write it for Aboo Shaah.”Al-Waleed asked Aboo ‘Amr, “What are they writing?” He replied, “The sermon which he heard that day."

Aboo Qaabeel said: We were with Abdullaah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas and he was asked which city will be conquered first Constantinople or Rome? So ‘Abdullaah called for a sealed trunk and he said, “Take out the book from it.”Then ‘Abdullaah said, “While we were with the Messenger of Allaah :saws: writing, The Messenger of Allaah :saws: was asked, Which city will be conquered first, Constantinople or Rome? ” So Allaah ’s messenger :saws: said: “The city of Heracilius will be conquered first ,” meaning Constantinople.

The above is from the book I mentioned above and can be read in the PDF linked to above.

Please also scroll to pdf page 171, which is page 177 of the following important source, which also shows that the "fact" that hadeeth weren't written til two hundred years after the prophet :saws: is a myth spread by non Muslim orientalists, and that the recording of the hadeeth actually began during the prophets :saws: lifetime and he explicitly allowed it, one sentence of which is "There is no question, therefore, that the recording of hadeeth began during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah :saws: himself. This practice of writing hadeeth continued after the death of the Messenger of Allah :saws:."

https://futureislam.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/the-authority-and-importance-of-the-sunnah.pdf

The book is called the authority and importance of the sunnah, by Jamal al Din Zarabozo. This is another useful source in addition to the one I mentioned above.

I hope this helps to clarify.
 
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Assalamualaikum,
ive just registered to reply to this :D

Regrets1 said:
She says women should wear loose clothes so body shape is not visible but wearing head scarf and covering the head is not fardh. She says everything is in Quran so why follow Hadith?
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Surah An-nur 31 it says: [h=2]And tell the believing women to reduce [some] of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which [necessarily] appears thereof and to wrap [a portion of] their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons... [/h]

She reject Hadith? She even reject Quran. That I wanted say.

Salam
 

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