Muslims request praying in Cordoba’s Cathedral

[England]

This maybe the same thing I'm talking about or something similar but they asked for something like this once before in Spain and Spanish gave them a no. It might have been to do with building a mosque where one once stood.

Spain is a very religious catholic country, they're not like the UK or the US where they will do everything to please muslims.

 

[Bittersteel]

idol worshipping mosques is bad.real bad.that's weakness.

 

[M for Maliki]

i am looking forward to one day going here and just gonna start praying. this is a house of Allah and if the security guards want to stop me they will have to bodily carry me away because that is the only way i am stopping my salaah.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

Don't do that. We have been specifically commanded not to "rock the boat" as it where, especially in a country where we are an extreme minority.

 

[M for Maliki]

on the plus side...

there are quite a huge number of the young people in spain coming to islam,

I've heard this quite frequently and hope it is true, in sha Allah. You wouldn't happen to have statistics, would you?

it was after all the religion of many of their ancestors and a deen (way of life) that makes sense unlike many aspects of christian worship and faith.

No offense to the christians on board having been a roman catholic and studied christian dogma with canon doctors, I can honestly say christian theology holds about as much water as a sieve. What irks me even more is when Pope Benedict starts talking about christianity as a "faith of reason and logic" when at its heart it is a mystery religion (try explaining the trinity completely, for example)

there are also 800,000 muslims out of 45 million in spain, we breed faster and more people are reverting so it is only a matter of time. do the maths yourself and soon corduba and all of al-andalus will be ours again soon.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

The breeding faster statistic usually doesn't apply to Muslims in western countries, or if it does, it stops after the second generation. Large families are a general byproduct of lowered educational opportunities and generally shorter lifespans in the "old countries". When immigrants arrive the standard of living for them increases dramatically, as well as opportunities for higher education and the jobs that follow, and everyone knows nothing kills the desire to breed like work.

 

[glo]

I just found a link with many pictures. Quite interesting. I was surprised to see it has very few statues.


http://www.infocordoba.com/spain/andalusia/cordoba/photos/mosque_2/index.htm

Greetings, Woodrow

I was just thinking about finding some picture of Cordoba's Cathdral, when I came upon your post and the link. Thank you for posting it.

Such a beautiful place!

Peace

 

[glo]

there are also 800,000 muslims out of 45 million in spain, we breed faster and more people are reverting so it is only a matter of time. do the maths yourself and soon corduba and all of al-andalus will be ours again soon.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

Now I have to ask if Christians can progress from killing each other to praying together; why can’t Muslims and Christians pray together. There is one God the creator of all that is seen and unseen; we are all created by the same God regardless of what we choose to believe.

Are the barriers in our own heart? Or does God want us to be segregated?

In the spirit of seeking a greater interfaith tolerance and friendship

Eric

Greetings, Eric and Abu Abdullah

I started a thread here, which you might like to read and contribute your views in ... everybody else is invited too, of course!
http://www.islamicboard.com/comparative-religion/34516-worshipping-together.html

peace

 

[Dawud_uk]

I've heard this quite frequently and hope it is true, in sha Allah. You wouldn't happen to have statistics, would you?



No offense to the christians on board having been a roman catholic and studied christian dogma with canon doctors, I can honestly say christian theology holds about as much water as a sieve. What irks me even more is when Pope Benedict starts talking about christianity as a "faith of reason and logic" when at its heart it is a mystery religion (try explaining the trinity completely, for example)





The breeding faster statistic usually doesn't apply to Muslims in western countries, or if it does, it stops after the second generation. Large families are a general byproduct of lowered educational opportunities and generally shorter lifespans in the "old countries". When immigrants arrive the standard of living for them increases dramatically, as well as opportunities for higher education and the jobs that follow, and everyone knows nothing kills the desire to breed like work.

i would disagree,

most of my friends are 2nd or 3rd generation muslim and still breeding like rabbits lol.

the thing is having lots of kids is encouraged in our religion so if people keep their deen they will be likely to keep having the huge numbers of kids as it was encouraged by rasoolullah saws.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[Dawud_uk]

Don't do that. We have been specifically commanded not to "rock the boat" as it where, especially in a country where we are an extreme minority.

commanded by who?

i have never heard such a command from any islamic figure not to pray here and my lord tells me to pray so if go to visit this place i will pray there and **** their ideas on not praying here.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

 

[ManchesterFolk]

There is a place I would love to pray but since it is under full Muslim control courtesy of the Israeli goverment, I was unable to when I tried to visit.

Actually, a non-Muslim who visits there can be kicked out if they utter a word of prayer by the Muslim authorities in charge of the site. So I think we can all relate to one another after all.

It is sad that no one here understands how relevant this post is.

 

[- Qatada -]

It is sad that no one here understands how relevant this post is.

The world belongs to God, therefore i should be able to pray in the white house right? How come i'm not allowed there?

Similarly, Allaah has made some places for believers as a sanctuary so they aren't under a threat by any disbelievers [of some who may even have a bad intention to harm the believers] so the believers can worship God without being under the threat of being harmed. And Allaah Almighty knows best.



Peace.

 

[Fishman]

There is a place I would love to pray but since it is under full Muslim control courtesy of the Israeli goverment, I was unable to when I tried to visit.

Actually, a non-Muslim who visits there can be kicked out if they utter a word of prayer by the Muslim authorities in charge of the site. So I think we can all relate to one another after all.

Last time I heard, the Wailing Wall is under Jewish control. As for al-Aqsa, it is a Masjid, and has always been a Masjid, so it belongs to Muslims. Couldn't you just pray on part of the temple mount that does not have a Masjid on it?

No matter what happens, al-Aqsa will probably never be given to Jews by the Muslims, because in holiness it's only two places down from Makkah. Muslims Also believe in Solomon (pbuh), so the Temple is also a very important place for us too, kind of like an 'old Makkah', if I wanted to explain it in simple terms. So the Temple Mount cannot be some sort of 'Jews only' holy place. It wasn't 'stolen' like the Corboda Mosque, it has been a holy place to Muslims since it was founded.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Last time I heard, the Wailing Wall is under Jewish control. As for al-Aqsa, it is a Masjid, and has always been a Masjid, so it belongs to Muslims.

Oh really? There was never a Temple that was devoted to a different type of riualistic worship that had nothing to do with Islam before the two Mosques on the Temple Mount were built? Are these just Zionist lies to?

So the Temple Mount cannot be some sort of 'Jews only' holy place.

Then why can it be a "muslim only" holy place?

It wasn't 'stolen' like the Corboda Mosque, it has been a holy place to Muslims since it was founded.

Jews believe and I believe have a lot of historical proof that the Temple and sacrifices that occured on the Temple mount longe before the Quran were according to the Jewish tradition, since there was no Islamic one.

An Islamic presence in the Holy Land is relativly new compared to others. And please don't get started on "early jews were muslims" because that is as useless of an argument as quoting the Quran to prove a point to a Christian is.

 

[- Qatada -]

Manchesterfolk, first of all - the Qur'an actually refutes the christians so it isn't useless.


Regarding the early jews being muslims, yeh they were because muslim linguistically comes from the root word islaam which actually means submission. Therefore a muslim is someone who submits, which means that the early jews were actually muslims because they submitted to God.



Peace.

 

[ManchesterFolk]

Manchesterfolk, first of all - the Qur'an actually refutes the christians so it isn't useless.

How? Christians do not believe it to be the truth, so in a debate it is useless to quote the Quran.

Regarding the early jews being muslims, yeh they were because muslim linguistically comes from the root word islaam which actually means submission. Therefore a muslim is someone who submits, which means that the early jews were actually muslims because they submitted to God.

Well that is just one opinion, that you may accept but many don't.

 

[- Qatada -]

How? Christians do not believe it to be the truth, so in a debate it is useless to quote the Quran.

They might not, but at the same time it refutes their points. So unlike the bible, where 'you have to read it with the spirit' - one can read the Qur'an and realise its logic and truth. The only reason someone will reject it is due to their own arrogance, not because of the Qur'an itself.

Well that is just one opinion, that you may accept but many don't.

Even if you don't accept it, linguistically its correct. Judaism just comes from the word Juda anyway, so its not really anything to do with their faith. Even jews nowadays are muslims if they've submitted themselves.



Peace.

 

[sudais1]

i know this was built by muslims, but would it be permissable under islam to prostate in prayer in a cathedral full of statues, etc.?

The prophet Prayed and salah in a church i think in abisynya

 

[ManchesterFolk]

'have to read it with the spirit'

What?

Even if you don't accept it, linguistically its correct. Judaism just comes from the word Juda anyway, so its not really anything to do with their faith

That is the English word, the word for Jew in Hebrew is "Yehudi". But why explain this, I can point to where I learned it from instead.

http://www.islamicboard.com/471156-post420.html

The word "Jew" comes from the word "Yehudi" in Hebrew.

The Talmud (Megillah 13a) says that the name Yehudi applies to anyone who rejects idolatry and follows/recongnizes that there is one true G-d and the laws he has given us are in the Torah (uncorrupted ).

The word "Hodaah," which is the root of the word Yehudi (and Yehudah), means to acknowledge.

So Judaism in Hebrew means to acknowledge one true G-d.

The name "Yehudi" or Jew was also used to describe a descendant from the Ancient Hebrews who became the Jews when the Torah was recieved at Mt. Sinai.

 

[- Qatada -]

What?

Yeah, thats what i mean. I'll quote you something which glo's posted regarding this.

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

[...]

We preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. (1Corinthians 18-19 and 23-25)

http://www.islamicboard.com/611271-post10.html


She posted that just today when AvarAllahNoor asked her regarding the trinity which you can refer to here:

http://www.islamicboard.com/611264-post9.html


God doesn't send down a faith which can't be comprehended by the human mind. Because God knows that we are His creation, so He sends messengers to make the message clear, that God doesn't want us to worship and obey the creation if these people are contradicting the law of God. The only reason someone would reject islaam is because they either don't understand its truth, or if they just too arrogant to learn more about it/accept it.
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That is the English word, the word for Jew in Hebrew is "Yehudi". But why explain this, I can point to where I learned it from instead.

http://www.islamicboard.com/471156-post420.html

Why the Jews were called `Yahud

The Jews are the followers of Prophet Musa [Moses], who used to refer to the Tawrah for judgment. Yahud is a word that means, `repenting', just as Musa said,


[إِنَّا هُدْنَـآ إِلَيْكَ]


http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=2&tid=2196




Peace.

 

[Fishman]

Even jews nowadays are muslims if they've submitted themselves.

I disagree here, since Jews don't follow the teachings of Muhammad (pbuh), which is now one of the prerequisites of being Muslim. And despite being monotheists, modern Jews do have a number of beliefs which would not be acceptable within Islam, such as their beliefs about the Messiah.

 

[- Qatada -]

I disagree here, since Jews don't follow the teachings of Muhammad (pbuh), which is now one of the prerequisites of being Muslim. And despite being monotheists, modern Jews do have a number of beliefs which would not be acceptable within Islam, such as their beliefs about the Messiah.

I meant linguistically only bro



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