Muslims Serving the US Armed Forces
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MinAhlilHadeeth
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DISGUSTING!
They can be with their beloved kuffar on the Day of Judgement!
If they think carpet bombing civillians is protecting innocents, I beg to differ!
MAY ALLAH GUIDE THEM!
They can be with their beloved kuffar on the Day of Judgement!
If they think carpet bombing civillians is protecting innocents, I beg to differ!
MAY ALLAH GUIDE THEM!
Would you have the same opinion if we look at this way:
A General tells to kill 1 innocent person
should the unit follow commands
or
should the unit deny his orders
or
should the unit turn against the general
A soldier must obey all Rules of Engagement laid out by his superiors unless said orders conflict with US law.
Personally, and call me foolish and old fashioned, I think if you are going to call for a boycott of Armies just because they kill Muslims and Muslimas, you could start a lot closer to the Middle East than Britain and America. How about Iran or Algeria? Jordan or Syria?
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If the soldier felt that it was in his best interest to follow the order, then I feel that he should follow the order. If asked to do something inhumane, I think that it would be admirable to deny his order. However, if the soldier felt that his life was at stake if he did not follow the order, then I feel that it is acceptable to perform the order. The realities of war are disturbing, to say the least. Nonetheless, I feel that soldiers need to do whatever they must do in order to leave the war zone alive.
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In Iraq Muslim brothers were killing their own Muslim brothers and sisters prior to US occupation. Is it more acceptable for a Muslim to be killed by other Muslims, opposed to being killed by Non-Muslims?
MinAhlilHadeeth
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Yes! BOYCOTT THEM ALL!!!!!
How about all the members of LI start their own renegade army opposing opppresive regimes... are ya with me? *silence*....:X
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No it isn't. It isn't acceptable to kill any innocent person. I think this 'oh but it's war' attitude is alot of hooey. Carpet bombing civillains is NOT acceptable!:grumbling
Has the whole world gone mad?:'(
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NOT EVERYTHING IS FAIR IN THE ARMY, ITS NOT ALLL FOR JUSTICE AND GOODNESS[PIE] According to the Time U.S. magazine, eyewitnesses, doctors and local officials said that the civilians who died that day weren’t killed by a roadside bomb, but by the marines themselves, who went on a rampage in the village after the attack, indiscriminately killing 15 unarmed civilians in their homes, including seven women and three children.
All the witnesses agreed that a U.S. humvee was struck by an IED at around 7:15 a.m. on Nov. 19. "We heard a big noise that woke us all up," said nine-year-old Eman Waleed, who lived in a house 150 yards from the site of the blast. “Then we did what we always do when there's an explosion: My father goes into his room with the Koran and prays that the family will be spared any harm." Eman says the rest of the family, her mother, grandfather, grandmother, two brothers, two aunts and two uncles, gathered in the living room.
The marines claimed that they came under fire from the direction of the Waleed house immediately after the roadside bombing. A group of marines then headed toward the house. When they entered Eman’s home, they “first went into my father's room, where he was reading the Qur’an … and we heard shots." They then entered the living room. "I couldn't see their faces very well—only their guns sticking into the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny."
Eman says the marines then started firing toward the corner of the room where she and her eight-year-old brother were hiding. The others died while shielding the children from the Americans’ bullets. "We were lying there, bleeding, and it hurt so much. Afterward, some Iraqi soldiers came. They carried us in their arms. I was crying, shouting 'Why did you do this to our family?' And one Iraqi soldier tells me, 'We didn't do it. The Americans did.'"[/PIE]
All the witnesses agreed that a U.S. humvee was struck by an IED at around 7:15 a.m. on Nov. 19. "We heard a big noise that woke us all up," said nine-year-old Eman Waleed, who lived in a house 150 yards from the site of the blast. “Then we did what we always do when there's an explosion: My father goes into his room with the Koran and prays that the family will be spared any harm." Eman says the rest of the family, her mother, grandfather, grandmother, two brothers, two aunts and two uncles, gathered in the living room.
The marines claimed that they came under fire from the direction of the Waleed house immediately after the roadside bombing. A group of marines then headed toward the house. When they entered Eman’s home, they “first went into my father's room, where he was reading the Qur’an … and we heard shots." They then entered the living room. "I couldn't see their faces very well—only their guns sticking into the doorway. I watched them shoot my grandfather, first in the chest and then in the head. Then they killed my granny."
Eman says the marines then started firing toward the corner of the room where she and her eight-year-old brother were hiding. The others died while shielding the children from the Americans’ bullets. "We were lying there, bleeding, and it hurt so much. Afterward, some Iraqi soldiers came. They carried us in their arms. I was crying, shouting 'Why did you do this to our family?' And one Iraqi soldier tells me, 'We didn't do it. The Americans did.'"[/PIE]
MinAhlilHadeeth
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^^^a Fine Example Of America's Fine Justice Is Fallujah + Abu Ghraib (twice!)
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Not to their country. The nation state has been the primary binder of peoples now for hundreds of years. A universal, trans-national adherence to the ummah is not as existent as you think (How about the Iran V. Iraq war?). It is mainly muslims in the west who espouse such rhetoric, not peoples in traditionally muslim countries.
Yes, may allah guide them... I think they feel that allah has guided them to do this. The "beloved kuffar" who gave them freedom to adopt a religion hostile to the "kuffar" government? You may only be 16, mu'minah, but I think you are smarter than that. "Carpet bombing civilians" is a lazy accusation, my friend.
It is called, in F Scott Fitzgerald's lexicon, the definition of "intelligence"... That is, "the ability to hold two contradictory priciples in one's mind at the same time..." But there is conflict in everything in life; no ideal is left unbloodied by an unfortunate counter-example. These folks might have felt that by going to war as a muslim, it kept one less non-believer from engaging in a conflict that needs understanding minds (and boots) on the ground. I'm sure they are not thrilled with having to do so, but with responsibility come some unpleasant tasks. (and only a small fraction of any modern military engages in actual combat, mind you)
No, they may not do anything of the sort! Again, they might feel an impulse to serve the country that has given them wealth, freedom and opportunity, rather than sit on their couch and complain about how victimised muslims are. It takes a stronger spirit to do the former than the latter, imo.
And who said anyone killed anyone? And it is an all volunteer army, man.
no, heigou, I won't! And you can't make me! (my immitation of an adolescent tantrum).
And the Sudan. And Pakistan. And Somalia. And Lebanon.... Probably easier to overthrow one of these regimes than a western democracy, anyway!
Yup! Most of the filthy, barbaric a$%holes who did participate in Abu Gharib have been charged, tried, found guilty, and sentenced to rot in federal prison for some years to come. And a vast majority of Americans were disgusted and horrified at what happened to those detainees (very much unlike an almost silent muslim response to major muslim-initiated terror attacks). That is a lot more justice than I have EVER found a muslim country to administer.
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Not to their country. The nation state has been the primary binder of peoples now for hundreds of years. A universal, trans-national adherence to the ummah is not as existent as you think (How about the Iran V. Iraq war?). It is mainly muslims in the west who espouse such rhetoric, not peoples in traditionally muslim countries.
Yes, may allah guide them... I think they feel that allah has guided them to do this. The "beloved kuffar" who gave them freedom to adopt a religion hostile to the "kuffar" government? You may only be 16, mu'minah, but I think you are smarter than that. "Carpet bombing civilians" is a lazy accusation, my friend.
It is called, in F Scott Fitzgerald's lexicon, the definition of "intelligence"... That is, "the ability to hold two contradictory priciples in one's mind at the same time..." But there is conflict in everything in life; no ideal is left unbloodied by an unfortunate counter-example. These folks might have felt that by going to war as a muslim, it kept one less non-believer from engaging in a conflict that needs understanding minds (and boots) on the ground. I'm sure they are not thrilled with having to do so, but with responsibility come some unpleasant tasks. (and only a small fraction of any modern military engages in actual combat, mind you)
No, they may not do anything of the sort! Again, they might feel an impulse to serve the country that has given them wealth, freedom and opportunity, rather than sit on their couch and complain about how victimised muslims are. It takes a stronger spirit to do the former than the latter, imo.
And who said anyone killed anyone? And it is an all volunteer army, man.
no, heigou, I won't! And you can't make me! (my immitation of an adolescent tantrum).
And the Sudan. And Pakistan. And Somalia. And Lebanon.... Probably easier to overthrow one of these regimes than a western democracy, anyway!
Yup! Most of the filthy, barbaric a$%holes who did participate in Abu Gharib have been charged, tried, found guilty, and sentenced to rot in federal prison for some years to come. And a vast majority of Americans were disgusted and horrified at what happened to those detainees (very much unlike an almost silent muslim response to major muslim-initiated terror attacks). That is a lot more justice than I have EVER found a muslim country to administer.
How sad... you bothered to find out how old i am:giggling:
And the truth is not a lazy accusation!
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You published it yourself, little one. I would have cared not to know, actually.
Truth? From you? Where?
MinAhlilHadeeth
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Well then why mention it?:sister:
And stop being sarcastic, and just reply like a normal human being - i.e by actually answering me!
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Plus Sudan, is it Islamic to join Sudanese army and kill the Darfuri Muslims?
In the Military... if you get a tattoo, they can reprimand you. "Destroying Government Property". Not that I condone tattoos or anything.. but this is just an example why I can't agree with a muslim joining the US Armed Forces. The fact of the matter is, the US Military does not conduct war by shariah. There's no WAY that you can be in the US Military and not be going against Islam in some way, shape, or form. For the sake of deen, a Muslim shouldn't even go near it. Now I'm not going to go and say the word "traitor", or "kuffur" (which is a word that should not be used lightly). The dude's in the military. He's trained for battle. Now being that we have US Soldiers dying by the hundreds every day, there is a slight chance that he's going to be called for actual battle. He's going to fight that battle the way the army taught him, not by the Quran. The moment he takes that first shot at someone, and kills them... he's committed a major sin. In Islam you fight for very specific reasons. You do it for Allah, not for Bush. You do it if you're oppressed, not for oil. And do you think the ol' colonel is going to actually let him take a 5 minute break to go make his salat? This is why it's not possible in Islam. That's like a Christian dancing at a gay bar, or a Jehova's Witness at a Christmas party
What does the US Army do that is not Sharia?
Would you mind documenting that? I mean the bedouin were the raw material for the Early Muslim state and they often did not fight for Islam but for booty. They said so too. Was it wrong for a Hypocrit to join the Muslim Army and fight if he really did it for money? Or more specifically, did Muhammed ever turn anyone away from the Army just because he fought for money and not for God?
Actually yes I do. Muslims have Constitutional rights including the right to pray five times a day. A colonel is required to let any soldier break for however long he needs to pray.