Muslims upset at in-your-face lesson in Dutchness

fair enough, so I did read the post, but its still just justification on religious grounds that were made by men, I still say a loving God would NEVER call for cruel and unusual punishments, thats why the rest of the civilised world outlaws them. I am sorry, but if you believe that so cruelly killing someone for doing something with another consenting adult, then I pity you and the lack of love in your religion.
 
irsha said:
fair enough, so I did read the post,
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Excellent :)

but its still just justification on religious grounds that were made by men, I still say a loving God would NEVER call for cruel and unusual punishments, thats why the rest of the civilised world outlaws them.
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I see.

I am sorry, but if you believe that so cruelly killing someone for doing something with another consenting adult, then I pity you and the lack of love in your religion.
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Well, you're entitled to your opinion, as is everyone else. All I ask is that people consider all the facts before reaching a conclusion, which you have done.
 
irsha said:
fair enough, so I did read the post, but its still just justification on religious grounds that were made by men, I still say a loving God would NEVER call for cruel and unusual punishments, thats why the rest of the civilised world outlaws them. I am sorry, but if you believe that so cruelly killing someone for doing something with another consenting adult, then I pity you and the lack of love in your religion.
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All religions have such punishments. In reality, it is EXTREMELY hard to actually sentense someone to stoning. The fact is that if someone does get stoned, there is a big chance that they wanted it that way.
 
irsha said:
I suppose that poor 17 ear old girl deserves to get stoned to death if she dares to make love to another person, she knows for a fact the man will kill her if he found her, and she must be find-able to get a divorce! How can you excuse such barbarism, there are plenty of people waiting to adopt, they can also get pensions for single mums.
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First of all, islamically - she can go to court and ask for a divorce, especially if she knows the husband will react violently. She should seek refuge somewhere else, and stay away from her husband.


Your point: "there are plenty of people waiting to adopt" - do you really think that people respected orphaned children 1400yrs ago? Once they adopted them - do you really think that all people treat their adopted children with care, or did they treat them as slaves? There may be people who may want to adopt now, but the child still is in danger of being abused, used etc.

Do you think that the mother feels happy living on pensions, just because her 'lover' ran away with another woman? Is that really true love?


I'm not trying to offend you, but you have to realise that all these laws are there for a reason. And you're trying to belittle the longterm effects which are the most important of all.

Not every child can have a parent once their orphaned, and pyschological studies have shown that the child is different if they don't have a father, or a mother to lookafter them.


People won't go near adultery/fornication this way, because they know the punishment and the bad effects it has, especially for the woman. The lover she once had, isn't there no more and that has much worse emotional scars than having sexual enjoyment for some moments within your lifetime. And the child through that sexual relationship doesn't have a father/mother, their whole life is a mystery and they always wonder 'who was my real father or mother?'
 
it seems muslims will excuse anything, even this horrible hateful thing, as long as someone can find a verse to back them up. You mentioned 1400 years ago? That is my point, those laws are not valid today, any more than its ok to marry someone young as 6 or take slaves today.
I gotta go to bed, I have had enough for today, you guys are convinced that this abhorent practice is ok, and I am sickened by it,
cya
 
irsha said:
it seems muslims will excuse anything, even this horrible hateful thing, as long as someone can find a verse to back them up. You mentioned 1400 years ago? That is my point, those laws are not valid today, any more than its ok to marry someone young as 6 or take slaves today.
I gotta go to bed, I have had enough for today, you guys are convinced that this abhorent practice is ok, and I am sickened by it,
cya
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If you are an athiest, then I may understand your reaction. If you follow any of the three books, then you are simply being a hypocrite.
Peace.
 
irsha said:
it seems muslims will excuse anything, even this horrible hateful thing, as long as someone can find a verse to back them up. You mentioned 1400 years ago? That is my point, those laws are not valid today, any more than its ok to marry someone young as 6 or take slaves today.
I gotta go to bed, I have had enough for today, you guys are convinced that this abhorent practice is ok, and I am sickened by it,
cya
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Where people allowed to marry children as young as six back then :grumbling ! SICK!!!
 
Cheb said:
All religions have such punishments. In reality, it is EXTREMELY hard to actually sentense someone to stoning. The fact is that if someone does get stoned, there is a big chance that they wanted it that way.
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Someone just quoted a document that said many scholars thought that a pregnancy in an unmarried woman was proof enough. How hard is that to achieve?

And actually very few religions have such punishments. Essentially only Judaism and Islam.
 
j4763 said:
Here it is :rollseyes

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Ok. I honestly couldn't see it before - the computer I was using wasn't displaying the signature.

As to the message itself, either:

a) It's photoshopped.

or

b) It's 'freedom of expression':rollseyes :p

Hei-Gou said:
Someone just quoted a document that said many scholars thought that a pregnancy in an unmarried woman was proof enough. How hard is that to achieve?
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Even if the woman was a victim of rape and hadn't said anything about it since she feels (unecessarily in my opinion) ashamed?
 
No I dont believe they do. That part I was referring to them sentencing people to death for converting.
 
Christians certainly do not sentence people to death for converting to other religions, I don't know if Jews do. As to the pictures, why do muslims always come up with excuses like that? A muslim has it on her avatar, I didn't put it there! I just pointed it out. I have also seen the thousands of muslims chanting and yelling those same hate messages, especially when they were stirred up about some cartoons, so why do they need to have been photoshopped?
 
irsha said:
Christians certainly do not sentence people to death for converting to other religions, I don't know if Jews do. As to the pictures, why do muslims always come up with excuses like that? A muslim has it on her avatar, I didn't put it there! I just pointed it out.
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Okay. I'm not accusing you of anything.

I have also seen the thousands of muslims chanting and yelling those same hate messages, especially when they were stirred up about some cartoons, so why do they need to have been photoshopped?
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Fair enough. Even if it's not photoshopped, it's protected under freedom of expression. And even though I don't agree with messages of hatred, people are free to make them unfortunately.
 
Muezzin said:
Even if the woman was a victim of rape and hadn't said anything about it since she feels (unecessarily in my opinion) ashamed?
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Allegedly this is what happened to the woman in Nigeria they were going to stone. Except I think she did mention it. It was just that she could not find four adult male witnesses and unfortunately the judges did not seem to share the same view of the Law that Ansar al-Adl does.
 
HeiGou said:
I don't think she said you lied, did she? It was another woman.

Myself, I do not see a lot of hate in that signature although it is very dark and frankly depressing. It is an improvement over the SAM-totting jihadis she has used in the past. Still I expect to see Darth Vader walk into that sig at any moment with the full Imperial March sound effects. The Emperor inspecting his Imperial Storm Sisters perhaps.
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LOOOOOOOOOOLLLLL!!!!!!!!!
Hey... black is not depressing!


Well everyone can calm down, I have changed my signature. Man, you'd think I had actually hurt someone by the way people were going on about it. But don't get too happy, I frequently change my signatures and avatars... I didn't do it to please any one. If I changed it for anyone, it would be renak. She's a really nice gal, and I would never want to offend her. Anyway, this thread has been completely derailed. BACK ON TOPIC!
 

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