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MinAhlilHadeeth
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Well then ignore them. I get called worse things than that by westeners.
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ditto :rollseyes
"skippy" is in reference to my being Australian, they dont seem to think they belong here.
As to ignoring them, yeah, we tried that, till my boyfriend friend got stabbed by one of them because he told them to have some respect. There was about 8 of them and just him, me and my girlfriend, real heroes. This is what noone told you about why the Cronulla riots started.
As to ignoring them, yeah, we tried that, till my boyfriend friend got stabbed by one of them because he told them to have some respect. There was about 8 of them and just him, me and my girlfriend, real heroes. This is what noone told you about why the Cronulla riots started.
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you know the people who started the cronulla riots werent even muslim.. they were lebanese christians.. but a lot of people in australia seem to think all muslims are lebanese...
and im sorry to hear about your boyfriend..
and im sorry to hear about your boyfriend..
Really? I am appalled. What on Earth do you get called?
And tell them if they do it again we'll form a LI Posse and beat them up.
Lebanese Christians? Oh come on now, pull the other one. They were Muslims. They gathered at Lakemba Mosque to go out and beat people up. The Lebanese Christians are too busy getting on with their education and holding down jobs. The Governor-General of NSW isn't a Lebanese Muslim is he? He wasn't down the beach harrassing women. The Governor-General and Premier of Victoria are not Lebanese Muslims either? They haven't spent all week down the beach calling women sluts. Do you think there is a link there?
Lebanese Muslims join jobless queues
Dennis Shanahan, Political editor
April 03, 2006
AUSTRALIAN-BORN Lebanese Muslims experience higher unemployment and lower educational achievements than second-generation Lebanese Christians or Muslims from other countries.
A Monash University study carried out in the wake of Sydney's Cronulla beach riots considered whether there was a difference in disadvantage between Christian and Muslim Lebanese.
"Lebanese Muslims are disadvantaged compared to Lebanese Christians (and compared to all Australians, both migrant and native-born)," the report says.
"Thirty-nine per cent of first-generation Lebanese Muslim men aged 25 to 44 in Sydney are unemployed or not in the labour force, as are 26per cent of the second generation of the same age (compared with 16 per cent of all Australian men in this age group)."
Social alienation and unemployment among Muslim youths has been blamed for rioting in Paris and contributing to terrorist sympathies and actions in London.
The same factors were cited as the underlying reasons behind the tensions between beachside Sydney's youths with an Anglo-Celtic background and southwestern Sydney's young people of Lebanese heritage. Most of Australia's Muslims live in Sydney and are concentrated in the Bankstown and Rockdale areas, in Sydney's southwest and on Botany Bay, in the city's south.
Melbourne academics Katherine Betts and Ernest Healy, in the paper to be published in the Monash population study, People and Place, used the 2001 census and Centrelink reports to detect levels of disadvantage among Lebanese Muslims and Christians. The study found that the highest levels of disadvantage, measured by unemployment, reliance on welfare payments and education qualifications, were among older Lebanese Muslim men concentrated in Bankstown.
The study also found that while other migrant groups, such as Vietnamese Buddhists or Bosnian Muslims, had high unemployment and poor education qualifications, Lebanese Muslims were worse off and second-generation Lebanese Muslims were not improving at the rates of other migrant groups.
The study suggests the Rockdale concentration of Muslims tend to have higher employment and educational levels and that the Muslims with the highest incomes and qualifications tend to live outside the heaviest concentrations of Muslims.
"Lebanese Muslim households are large and much more likely to be poor than all households, or than Lebanese Christian households," it concludes.
"Lebanese Muslim men have low levels of education, relatively high levels of unemployment, and a very high tendency not to be in paid work."
People born in Lebanon or who identify themselves as Lebanese account for a third of all Muslims in Australia and also account for most of the increase between 1971, when 22,000 Muslims were in Australia, and 2001, when there were 282,000, an annual growth rate of 8.8per cent.
Dennis Shanahan, Political editor
April 03, 2006
AUSTRALIAN-BORN Lebanese Muslims experience higher unemployment and lower educational achievements than second-generation Lebanese Christians or Muslims from other countries.
A Monash University study carried out in the wake of Sydney's Cronulla beach riots considered whether there was a difference in disadvantage between Christian and Muslim Lebanese.
"Lebanese Muslims are disadvantaged compared to Lebanese Christians (and compared to all Australians, both migrant and native-born)," the report says.
"Thirty-nine per cent of first-generation Lebanese Muslim men aged 25 to 44 in Sydney are unemployed or not in the labour force, as are 26per cent of the second generation of the same age (compared with 16 per cent of all Australian men in this age group)."
Social alienation and unemployment among Muslim youths has been blamed for rioting in Paris and contributing to terrorist sympathies and actions in London.
The same factors were cited as the underlying reasons behind the tensions between beachside Sydney's youths with an Anglo-Celtic background and southwestern Sydney's young people of Lebanese heritage. Most of Australia's Muslims live in Sydney and are concentrated in the Bankstown and Rockdale areas, in Sydney's southwest and on Botany Bay, in the city's south.
Melbourne academics Katherine Betts and Ernest Healy, in the paper to be published in the Monash population study, People and Place, used the 2001 census and Centrelink reports to detect levels of disadvantage among Lebanese Muslims and Christians. The study found that the highest levels of disadvantage, measured by unemployment, reliance on welfare payments and education qualifications, were among older Lebanese Muslim men concentrated in Bankstown.
The study also found that while other migrant groups, such as Vietnamese Buddhists or Bosnian Muslims, had high unemployment and poor education qualifications, Lebanese Muslims were worse off and second-generation Lebanese Muslims were not improving at the rates of other migrant groups.
The study suggests the Rockdale concentration of Muslims tend to have higher employment and educational levels and that the Muslims with the highest incomes and qualifications tend to live outside the heaviest concentrations of Muslims.
"Lebanese Muslim households are large and much more likely to be poor than all households, or than Lebanese Christian households," it concludes.
"Lebanese Muslim men have low levels of education, relatively high levels of unemployment, and a very high tendency not to be in paid work."
People born in Lebanon or who identify themselves as Lebanese account for a third of all Muslims in Australia and also account for most of the increase between 1971, when 22,000 Muslims were in Australia, and 2001, when there were 282,000, an annual growth rate of 8.8per cent.
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no the people that beat the lifeguards up were christians.. and then the aussies got mad and started saying, "Get the lebs out" or something along those lines. And then the lebanese muslims, christians started going around beating the aussies up and vice versa.
whats education got to do with the riots?
whats education got to do with the riots?
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HEIGOU may i ask are you from australia?
lebanese christians here are just as bad as the lebanese muslims. They hang around in gangs calling aussies names. But it is not all of them. It seems to be the men that do it andd from around 15yrs - 25yrs..
lebanese christians here are just as bad as the lebanese muslims. They hang around in gangs calling aussies names. But it is not all of them. It seems to be the men that do it andd from around 15yrs - 25yrs..
Ok. Combining two posts into one. What is the evidence that the men, who were universally described as Lebanese Muslims, were in fact Lebanese Christians? What is the evidence that a single Lebanese Christians was involved in the rioting or the reprisals that followed?
Education clearly has something to do with the sort of dysfunctional, lazy, apathetic, mildly sociopathic behaviour displayed by a great many young boys of Muslim origin in the West. They are not busy keeping out of trouble and studying, they are unemployed, hanging around and harrassing women. There is a clear difference between low-crime low-unemployment high-education communities, like the Chinese, and high-crime, high-unemployment, very low-education communities like the Lebanese Muslims, indeed Arab Muslims.
I have been to Australia. I have friends there. I have Australian friends of part-Lebanese descent there. I assure you Christian Lebanese are not as bad as the Muslim Lebanese - they are out there getting jobs, working hard and passing their exams. But it does seem to be a problem of young men in that age group who hang around and harrass women. This has been a long running phenomenon in Muslim societies. The ayyarun have always done so in the Arab speaking world.
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well i can't find any articles now. They have all been deleted because it was about 5 months ago. Anyway heres a thread on it (it was merged with others, so just scroll down abit)
When it first happened it was on the news that the 2 guys were christian not muslim. I agree, a lot of lebanese here dont get an education. A lot of them drop out of school. And a lot of them take up labouring jobs and a lot of them are on benefits! Unfortunately they give in to peer pressure. But im telling you there are a few groups of lebanese christians who do the same... its not only lebanese either, ive noticed a lot are turkish and afghan.. they all hang around each other. Unfortunately majority of muslims in australia are NOT practising. I read on statistics some where that around 5% pray. And they do pick up like crazy, n cause trouble and they give muslims a bad name! its heart breaking..
When it first happened it was on the news that the 2 guys were christian not muslim. I agree, a lot of lebanese here dont get an education. A lot of them drop out of school. And a lot of them take up labouring jobs and a lot of them are on benefits! Unfortunately they give in to peer pressure. But im telling you there are a few groups of lebanese christians who do the same... its not only lebanese either, ive noticed a lot are turkish and afghan.. they all hang around each other. Unfortunately majority of muslims in australia are NOT practising. I read on statistics some where that around 5% pray. And they do pick up like crazy, n cause trouble and they give muslims a bad name! its heart breaking..
Well I searched that and all I found was a lot of rather unfair denounciations of Australia, but not evidence of Maronite involvement at all.
I have done a quick search of the Sydney Morning Herald (there's still a League team called Cronulla? Wow) and got nothing. What news?
I agree with that. They come from a rather disfunctional cultural background.
Small groups obviously. Where are the Muslim Governors? The Muslim Premiers? Why is it that someone like Steve Bracks can be Premier or someone of Lebanese descent can be elected by the Nationals, but not someone of Lebanese Muslim descent?
And Lebanese Muslims, Turks and Afghans have what in common apart from high crime rates, low literacy skills and high unemployment?
Absolutely. Do you think that if they practice the problem will go away? After all, their parents probably practiced.
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... if i typed it out it would come out like this ***** ***** ******* ****.. etc.... gutter lanaguge if you get what I mean. Sometimes tehy're clever enough to make up a rhyme though. You don't know how many teenage yobs i've had to fight in my high school years in order to get home safe (and they WEREN'T girls!). Throwing rocks is the least of it. But hey, it makes me stronger each time it happens. I think they think they can intimidate me because I look all sweet like sugar and spice, but the force of my fist told them otherwise
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I think this pretty much says that violence is directly related to unemployment and a lack of education. As is the problem all around the word. Religion pretty much has nothing to do with it unless it is used with ignorance, it can be used as an excuse.
I mean look at African Americans in the US in the past (Getting better now). Look at pretty much all of Africa, look at the poorer countries in the Middle East and Asia. We should start working on educating our selves if we are to get out of this hole.
(Sorry for the off-topic comment)
I mean look at African Americans in the US in the past (Getting better now). Look at pretty much all of Africa, look at the poorer countries in the Middle East and Asia. We should start working on educating our selves if we are to get out of this hole.
(Sorry for the off-topic comment)
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Or better yet, send a picture of their likenesses to the police.
It'll be like the Usual Suspects, but better.
I don't know. Kevin Spacey is pretty good and I think you'd have a hard time finding a better actor for that role. I mean, think what Joe Pesci would have done with it! Al Pacino perhaps.
As long as Johnny Depp plays me.
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I'd probably get Keanu Reeves. Not because he's stunningly handsome and the ladies choice. No, he'd play me because he's commonly perceived as an idiot. In my case, perception is truth. It'll be his most perfect role, up there with Ted and Neo!
And if not him, Hugh Laurie, because House rocks.
Never mind the fact that I'm not white. I'd want Mr T to play me in a movie, but knowing my luck I'd end up with Gary Coleman.
I'm not black either. But then, most of the Bollywood actors look too stupid to play even me.
...and we've probably added as much levity to the topic as we can before a mod/member gets riled up.
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Do you wear eye-liner?
I assume that is forbidden in Islam so I'll decline to answer. But I think I'd look gorgeous. Maybe even fabulous. Which raises an interesting question - it must be banned for women too, isn't it?, except in the privacy of their own home?