Muslims welcome police scarf move

[Amadeus85]

If a police officer enters your house, not in the pursuit of a criminal or for the investigation of a crime, would it not be appropriate for him/her to follow the rules of your house?

We are not speaking of the officer entering in the role of conducting a police matter, we are speaking of them entering to meet the community and listening to the people of the neighborhood.

Simple matter: it is forbidden for a woman to enter a Mosque without wearing a Hijab. Is there any logical reason a police officer should be exempted from doing so? It is forbidden for a person to smoke in many public places. Should a police officer who smokes be permitted to enter those places ? Is there any reason a police officer should be exempted from respecting another's rights? Notice those officers are not being required to wear a hijab all of the time. ONLY, when entering a Mosque in non-Criminal and non-emergency matters.

Or to sum it up in a simple method.


1. A Mosque has the right to exclude anyone from entering the Mosque if they are not showing respect. The exception being emergency personnel in the performance of emergency duties.

2. If a Police woman desires to enter a Mosque for non-Emergency reasons, she is no different from any other woman and must wear a Hijab.

3. The Police departments are issuing the women hijabs so they can enter the Mosque, for non-emergencies if they desire to do so.

Mmm so do muslims see some parts of Birmingham, London, or Leeds as muslims' places?
If yes, I want to say how big suckers the Englanders are.

 

[GuestFellow]

Mmm so do muslims see some parts of Birmingham, London, or Leeds as muslims' places?
If yes, I want to say how big suckers the Englanders are.

Depends. What do you mean muslims' places?

BTW why is this topic getting blown out of proportion? It just seems to boil down to West vs Islam. If you are devastated by this, complain to the police force. They are the one who had introduced this.

 

[Woodrow]

Mmm so do muslims see some parts of Birmingham, London, or Leeds as muslims' places?
If yes, I want to say how big suckers the Englanders are.

Does that mean you believe a Mosque is not a Muslim place?

We are talking about entering a Mosque, not about going into a predominately Muslim neighborhood.

Do you think a Muslim police officer should be permitted to wear a Hijab into a Christian Cathedral, if the Cathedral forbid the wearing of a Hijab?

The simple fact is a woman is not permitted to into a Mosque without a hijab, unless she is entering because of an emergency. Why should it make any difference what the woman's job is, unless she is entering because of an emergency? Even the queen of England would not be allowed without a Hijab, unless she was entering because of an emergency.

 

[Clover]

Now you're sounding childish, who's forcing it exactly? You see over here people are sensitive of different minorities beliefs, they themselves are considerate of others so no-one has to force anything. The police have a choice if they're not getting as good results from the community because they can't follow a simple dress adjustment then its up to them to do something about it, its not like you can force the police to do anything anyway?

Thanks, love being called a child, really .

Same could be said to Muslims. I am not saying its wrong for them to abide to the rules, I am saying it's wrong for them to do this, cause then what if every religious group wants that? Every neighborhood have specific dress codes for police, who are supposed to not only be under the local community, but the state.

A police officer is a public servent. A police officer is hired by and works for the local community. The local community dictates what it's workers should or should not wear.

If you work for McDonalds you wear a McDonald's uniform when you are behind the counter. If you are a police officer you in a Catholic Neighborhood you remove your firearm and hat before entering a church. If you are in a Jewish neighborhood you wear a yamulk when entering a synagogue.

The above conditions apply nearly world wide. The exceptions when you do not follow the appropriate dress code is in the event of an emergency.

Islamic neighborhoods should have the same respect. It is not asking for anything that would hinder the police officer's performance, it would only serve to gain mutual respect an understanding. If a police officer has any problem with earning community respect and cooperation they need to find another line of work.

I would wear a McDonald's uniform so I can be recognized, if someone needs assistant, not so I don't offend McDonald's Owners.

It isn't the same thing. McDonald's is a organization, where people are employed by a private corporation, Police are ran by the community, yes, but if a Islamic Neighborhood makes rules, what if every religion has specific rules for their neighborhoods? That is a lot of trouble to go through, to appease people.

 

[GuestFellow]

Thanks, love being called a child, really .

Same could be said to Muslims. I am not saying its wrong for them to abide to the rules, I am saying it's wrong for them to do this, cause then what if every religious group wants that? Every neighborhood have specific dress codes for police, who are supposed to not only be under the local community, but the state.

Actually the Muslims never even suggested this. It was the police force themselves who proposed this idea. o.o The police would never suggest this unless they would benefit from it.

 

[Clover]

Actually the Muslims never even suggested this. It was the police force themselves who proposed this idea. o.o The police would never suggest this unless they would benefit from it.

Ok, Point proven. I accept it.

Question though, are the women required to wear it outside of mosques in the neighborhood?

Question Again lol, why do religious sects (especially Jews, Muslims, Amish/others) stay so close together? I mean, I wouldn't mind having a Jewish neighbor, or a Muslim neighbor, but would they mind having me?

 

[GuestFellow]

Ok, Point proven. I accept it.

Question though, are the women required to wear it outside of mosques in the neighborhood?

Well it doesn't say anything in the article to suggest that. So I don't think police women will be required to wear the scarf outisde.

Question Again lol, why do religious sects (especially Jews, Muslims, Amish/others) stay so close together? I mean, I wouldn't mind having a Jewish neighbor, or a Muslim neighbor, but would they mind having me?

I have an Irish neighbour and he drinks alcohol and I'm friends with him lol. I have a lot of friends that are non-Muslims. There are Muslims I know that are friends with non-Muslims at college.

I can't speak for all Muslims, but the Muslims in my area are friendly towards non-Muslims. Not many Muslims stay so close together. At school I know Muslims who hate other Muslims. So that is not always the case.

So no I wouldn't mind having you as my neighbour.

 

[Clover]

I would. I don't have neighbors, where I live, a neighbor lives around 5 miles down the road, and either owns a farm, works on a farm, or lives on a hobby farm lol. I love that, but it kinda stinks when all your friends live in the city.

 

[Woodrow]

Ok, Point proven. I accept it.

Question though, are the women required to wear it outside of mosques in the neighborhood?

If you are speaking about the non-Muslim Police women, the answer is no. That never was the issue, the issue was the Police women entering the Mosque in non-Emergency situations.

Question Again lol, why do religious sects (especially Jews, Muslims, Amish/others) stay so close together? I mean, I wouldn't mind having a Jewish neighbor, or a Muslim neighbor, but would they mind having me?

The reason quite often is because they are not accepted in other areas. I noticed in Austin when I was living there, when a few Muslims moved into an area, often the surrounding people moved out. In time those vacant homes became occupied by Muslims, so you ended up in all Muslim neighbor hoods. Traditionally in the USA Old white neighborhoods become Jewish enclaves and then progress to being essentially Black Neighborhoods and then Hispanic. It is not so much a desire to isolate from the mainstream populations but rather an unwritten code of segregation based upon housing availability. Although Austin also has many neighborhoods that are multi-cultural. The Amish generally become clanish because they tend to shun all modern conveniences and seek undeveloped land to self build their houses. Quite often you find several families buying a piece of property and sharing it for homesites and farming. Here in Minnesota the Amish tend to cooperate and jointly buy gigantic pieces of land usually in the thousands of acres.

For the second part of you question I do not know any Muslims who would object to having a non-Muslim neighbor as long as the neighbor was peaceful and non-aggressive towards them.

 

[Ummu Sufyaan]

Question Again lol, why do religious sects (especially Jews, Muslims, Amish/others) stay so close together? I mean, I wouldn't mind having a Jewish neighbor, or a Muslim neighbor, but would they mind having me?

i doubt it. should we mind having you though?

 

[Clover]

i doubt it. should we mind having you though?

No, unless you can afford the fields to buy to live near me, which are very expensive.