(MUST SEE VIDEO) Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

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Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

I don't think Dahir or anyone is denying the checkpoints, curfews, and such. I don't recall anyone supporting such actions.

I think the focus needs to be shifted from the daily activities to the overall history and possible long-term effects.


he did ask ''what are the palestinians complaining about?''

Activities?? or Humanrights abuses?

*Checkpoints

*Curfews

*Roadblocks

*Collective punishment ie House Demolisions, cutting of the electricity and water supply.

* Uprooting of olive trees( reason given: Militants use it as cover) this is a crime against the farmers and the palestinian people and its also a crime against nature.

the focus should be on the PRESENT and FUTURE..not HISTORY as you suggested.
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

I hope you find this reply on point.

“There will be no peace among the nations without peace among the religions. There will be no peace among the religions without dialogue among the religions, and there will be no serious dialogue among the religions without common ethical standards"..... Hans Kung, Theologian

Somewhere along the path we independently came to the same conclusion as Hans Kung and formed a website, now in a pre-beta phase to promote and sustain an end to armed conflict by enabling willing religious people to encourage the leaders of their faiths to organize and engage in high profile global meetings to outline a set of jointly held beliefs common to all.

We call this new site Peace and Conflict Resolution.Org.


Many of us feel that that common Muslim, Jew, and Christian get along just fine in much of the world and its the religious leaders that lead their people wrong. We would like to see the religious leaders in high profile symbolic discussion searching for common ethical values. We don't want to change religious beliefs we want to change practices of our religious leaders.

What if 500-million Catholics, 400-million Protestants, 300-million Muslims, 100-million Hindu's and 500-million others from traditional religions around the globe called upon their religious leaders to commence symbolic, high level East-West dialogue to find shared global ethics? At some point in this process would not such a grand Tally (The Tally) become overwhelming and enlightening?

Eventually such a record could not be denied. You can help construct that record with a few clicks of your mouse and send your religious leaders a Note of Encouragement which offers the following:

My voice joins with hundreds of millions of voices to enable serious East-West dialog among religions.

We ask that you use your religious office to commence and sustain symbolic, high level dialogue among willing religions to find shared global ethics common to all faiths.

This note was commissioned by me to be sent to you by Peace and Conflict Resolution.org


Most of us have come to find good people of all faiths in our everyday life who are kind, good, and peaceful. They are people just like you. We are the peacemakers. We much help guide our religious leaders. We are responsible for the religious leadership over the long run.

While the people see the good in their fellow man and wonder why their own church can not, our religious leaders for any number of reasons often seem focused more on setting impossible, ancient preconditions to East-West dialog.

We are in a new era. The power of the internet enables you to enlighten religious leaders through your own inspired resolve. Your resolve is an act of love which can not be denied. Your "Note of Encouragement" politely guides religious leaders to do what must be done and undertake East-West dialog. Eventually "The Tally" will overcome those seemingly impossible ancient preconditions to East-West dialog.

P&CR

:thumbs_up God Bless you.
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

he did ask ''what are the palestinians complaining about?''

Activities?? or Humanrights abuses?

*Checkpoints

*Curfews

*Roadblocks

*Collective punishment ie House Demolisions, cutting of the electricity and water supply.

* Uprooting of olive trees( reason given: Militants use it as cover) this is a crime against the farmers and the palestinian people and its also a crime against nature.

the focus should be on the PRESENT and FUTURE..not HISTORY as you suggested.
I think if they focus on the present they will just keep feeling sorry for themselves and never advance. That's why I suggest them taking a detailed look at their history, and applying it to their future.
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

he did ask ''what are the palestinians complaining about?''

Activities?? or Humanrights abuses?

*Checkpoints

*Curfews

*Roadblocks

*Collective punishment ie House Demolisions, cutting of the electricity and water supply.

* Uprooting of olive trees( reason given: Militants use it as cover) this is a crime against the farmers and the palestinian people and its also a crime against nature.

the focus should be on the PRESENT and FUTURE..not HISTORY as you suggested.

All of those are a response to one specific problem - suicide bombing and terrorism. In 1969 there was none of that. It may be naive of me but I think that the sensible way to get rid of all of those is to stop the terrorism. No doubt you do not agree. So my question would be - if you do not like the way that the Israelis defend themselves, could you please point out a viable alternative?
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

All of those are a response to one specific problem - suicide bombing and terrorism. In 1969 there was none of that. It may be naive of me but I think that the sensible way to get rid of all of those is to stop the terrorism. No doubt you do not agree. So my question would be - if you do not like the way that the Israelis defend themselves, could you please point out a viable alternative?
it's funny how some ignorant turn every thing around against Palestinian...
i think some of you forgot that israel is the one who came to Palestine by violence and racist beliefs..!? israel came in 1947 by violence and powerful army..

  • if their was no occupation, their would be no resistance from the Palestinian people
  • if there was equal rights without separation and an adjust peace.. their would be no rejection for their false existence...
  • if their was no abuses against Palestinian, their would be no resistance movements calling them self Hamas.
  • if their would be no abuse against women and children whom are raped in their jails and killed in cold blood, there would be no martyrs bombers.
  • if their would be no demolishing hundreds of houses every month for the sake of wiping the Arab backgrounds to replace it with zionists, their would be no more martyr bombers...
  • if thier would be no Palestinian massacres, their would be no more more martyr bombers...
  • if all that didn't stop, Palestinians wouldn't have voted for Hamas program...
  • if all that crap didn't stop, people wouldn't STILL support Hamas who is DEFENDING THE PALESTINIANS RIGHTS.
  • if all that crap didn't stop and if thier was no Arab prisoners (women, children and men) in the zionists jails, no body would come out to have an israeli prisoners whome is a soldier not civilian.
  • if the same crap didn't happened in Lebanon, Hezb Allah wouldn't come out to have two israeli prisoners whome are soldiers not civilians.

curse on those criminals... there's no place for them in Palestine any more...
Palestinians will keep defending them selves FOREVER ... till the last Palestinian breath that is left in Palestine.
 
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Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

curse on those criminals... there's no place for them in Palestine any more...

Statements like these sound hopeless.

I did watch your video and found it well done and informative. They discuss joint efforts between israeli's and palestinians. This is always refreshing. I'm thinking that these people, who want peace and co-existence, are in the minority. I'm unsure. Would you happen to know?
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

If one side brought the True Teachings of ISLAM into their hearts, and the other side brought the true teachings of the Torah into their hearts, none of this would be happening.

It is the lack of Religon in 'religous' people that brings about such STUPIDITY.
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

All of those are a response to one specific problem - suicide bombing and terrorism. In 1969 there was none of that. It may be naive of me but I think that the sensible way to get rid of all of those is to stop the terrorism. No doubt you do not agree. So my question would be - if you do not like the way that the Israelis defend themselves, could you please point out a viable alternative?

Bravo! Keltoi!

They just don't get it. Its like a deep hatred for Jews or Israelis, which I don't understand. Everyone poster who is a "Free Palestine" type is what we call a Chicken Hawk, and its not an insult. They are hawks who a thirsty for war and terrorism, but they chicken out and don't do any of the fighting...they watch it on CNN in their cozy Canadian homes.

Don't advocate war or terror if you won't fund it or participate.

Every time you ask for the destruction of Israel, a couple of Israeli youth die, I guess it doesn't matter - even that warmonger Nasrallah killed two Arab-Israeli boys doing what you guys advocated! Sick!!! +o( :offended:

WHY MUST I SAY THIS AGAIN:

Talk to bro. Abdmez!! He's a REAL Palestinian in the "thick of it." He's happy, has two smart, Israeli-educated kids whose college education will be funded by Israel! He is a gem in an area of confusion!
 
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If one side brought the True Teachings of ISLAM into their hearts, and the other side brought the true teachings of the Torah into their hearts, none of this would be happening.

It is the lack of Religon in 'religous' people that brings about such STUPIDITY.
I agree. I think one of the reasons peace is like a bad word these days is because people forget the major values of their religions and focus on the very minute ones.
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

If one side brought the True Teachings of ISLAM into their hearts, and the other side brought the true teachings of the Torah into their hearts, none of this would be happening.

It is the lack of Religon in 'religous' people that brings about such STUPIDITY.

True. True. True. What now, though? Wait for that religious rabbi or imam to teach the correct values? I wait. I wait.
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land


Talk to bro. Abdmez!! He's a REAL Palestinian in the "thick of it." He's happy, has two smart, Israeli-educated kids whose college education will be funded by Israel! He is a gem in an area of confusion!
those are cheap people who value the money of israel more than their dignity and Islamic values...
having israel supporting my education for the sake of buying my support to their terror against homeless Palestinian people... that i would not ever dare to do.

May Allah have mercy on those who think like that.
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

True. True. True. What now, though? Wait for that religious rabbi or imam to teach the correct values? I wait. I wait.

Join me and pray that ALlah swt blesses this Ummah with the HIKMA that we desire and the HIDAYAT that we all require.
 
Join me and pray that ALlah swt blesses this Ummah with the HIKMA that we desire and the HIDAYAT that we all require.

Done. And DONE!

having israel supporting my education for the sake of buying my support to their terror against homeless Palestinian people... that i would not ever dare to do.

As a CANADIAN, you were never in that situation, so I can't really take your words for that sort of scenario. Abdmez is a good example, I'll stay loyal to his views and decisions.
 
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I watched the video. It's always encouraging to see both sides work together (rebuild, the 2,000 women protests). Do you think that those who work together are in the majority or minority?
either way... it doesn't matter, their voices should be heard in the media...

media is owned by minority of violence people whom are ruling the world and ruining it for their radical beliefs and discrimination Ideology towards Arabs and Muslims.

instead of keep showing the lies that they have about terrorism... why don't they show those peacefull voices instead...?!
this is the main question towards this documentary...
 
Re: Peace, Propaganda & The Promised Land

Peace is not possible because both sides have the wrong mentality, along with the majority of the world which seems to be including you, Lamaggad.

Partly true, apart from the statement against Lamaggad.
 
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it's funny how some ignorant turn every thing around against Palestinian...

Yes. Who would have thought that suicide bombing is not the fault of the suicide bombers. You learn something new every day.

i think some of you forgot that israel is the one who came to Palestine by violence and racist beliefs..!? israel came in 1947 by violence and powerful army..

I do not forget that for one second. It is just not relevant. Of all the things listed, none of them existed in 1947, or 1957, or 1967, or even 1977. They are a response to suicide bombing.

if their was no occupation, their would be no resistance from the Palestinian people

How do you know that and anyway it is irrelevant to the issue at hand. There were no suicide bombs in 1969 but there was Occupation. Yet there were no check points like they have now. Suicide bombing has caused those security measures.

if there was equal rights without separation and an adjust peace.. their would be no rejection for their false existence...

And of course there would be no Jews either.

if their was no abuses against Palestinian, their would be no resistance movements calling them self Hamas.

And yet there were abuses in 1977 but no Hamas so that is not true either.

if their would be no abuse against women and children whom are raped in their jails and killed in cold blood, there would be no martyrs bombers.

Well that is not true as there were abuses against women and children - although I still do not accept there are rapes in jails except by the inmates - but no suicide bombs in 1970.

if their would be no demolishing hundreds of houses every month for the sake of wiping the Arab backgrounds to replace it with zionists, their would be no more martyr bombers...

Again you have that backwards - house demolitations punish suicide bombers so no suicide bombers, no house demolitions. Which came first?

if thier would be no Palestinian massacres, their would be no more more martyr bombers...

Nor is that true as there is no link between massacres (or "massacres") and suicide bombing.

if all that didn't stop, Palestinians wouldn't have voted for Hamas program...

How do you know?

curse on those criminals... there's no place for them in Palestine any more...
Palestinians will keep defending them selves FOREVER ... till the last Palestinian breath that is left in Palestine.

Well it has been a long standing Arab policy to drive the Jews into the sea - one that pre-dates suicide bombings, torture in prison, house demolition or even the creation of Israel so nothing has changed there.

As for the Palestinians, I think at some point the West is going to get tired of playing games.
 
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Yes. Who would have thought that suicide bombing is not the fault of the suicide bombers. You learn something new every day.

I honestly dont understand how an adult of sound mind can reason the way you do... suicide bombing be it wrong or right, happens for a reason...ask yourself what the hell would drive someone to strap themselves with explosives...I hate the way you think you can sit and judge everyone and everything that is closely related to Islam..if it really bothers you so much that muslims shed non-muslim blood I dare you to get off your fat arse and go join the bloody murderous Israeli pigs..go on..take your support up a notch why dont you..

As for the Palestinians, I think at some point the West is going to get tired of playing games.

You have the nerve to call this games? you do not live under oppression, you have not gone through anything remotely close to what Palestinian children go through everyday, I cannot call you ignorant you very well know what goes on..the whole world does, how long can everyone feign ignorance? you're right about one thing though, this will come to an end inshallah..
nothing lasts forever..even those oppressors who feel mighty as they shoot at civillians will face death sooner or later..and inshallah they will get their due when they're lowered into the very earth they used to spread mischief in...and inshallah you too will get yours.
 
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I honestly dont understand how an adult of sound mind can reason the way you do... suicide bombing be it wrong or right, happens for a reason...ask yourself what the hell would drive someone to strap themselves with explosives...I hate the way you think you can sit and judge everyone and everything that is closely related to Islam..if it really bothers you so much that muslims shed non-muslim blood I dare you to get off your fat arse and go join the bloody murderous Israeli pigs..go on..take your support up a notch why dont you..

I do not know what it is but I do know it is not oppression. The East Timorese suffering vastly more than the Palestinians have but they did not strap explosives to themselves and blow themselves up in coffee shops.

How can an adult of sound mind argue whether suicide bombs aimed at children are wrong or right? And you criticise me.

Since when did suicide bombings become "closely related to Islam"? If I made that claim I would be banned. For years I did not see the Palestinians as my enemies and I worked for justice in the Middle East. But clearly they have decided they are my enemies. Do not blame me for that.

You have the nerve to call this games? you do not live under oppression, you have not gone through anything remotely close to what Palestinian children go through everyday, I cannot call you ignorant you very well know what goes on..the whole world does, how long can everyone feign ignorance? you're right about one thing though, this will come to an end inshallah..

For years this violence has gone on and the West has payed for Palestinians. They have paid for their schools, for their government, for their food. They sit in refugees camps because the West gives them money to do so. They have the highest birth rate in the world because the West pays for their children. If the West had not paid those camps would not exist and the Palestinians would have been absorbed into the Arab countries by now.

Ask yourself how long the West is going to go on giving money to Hamas while Hamas supports terrorism against the West.

nothing lasts forever..even those oppressors who feel mighty as they shoot at civillians will face death sooner or later..and inshallah they will get their due when they're lowered into the very earth they used to spread mischief in...and inshallah you too will get yours.

Sure. Unless of course we try for something new and different. Like a just solution in the Middle East that does not involve anyone being killed.

But no, the Palestinians have consistently preferred the easy violent option.
 
heigou working for peace? thats news to me..but I'm 100% certain you werent working for a JUST PEACE.

anyways why do seem to justify house bulldozing?

give me one good reason why israeli troops bulldoze entlire buldings thus making loads of palestinians homeless?
 

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