My view from Jerusalem

[IbnAbdulHakim]

But bro. Abdmez is there, he sees no oppression. Don't you have to take his words just slightly into consideration. Peace reigns where Hamas does not.

Dahir, Abdmez is IN ISRAEL , tell him to try live one day in palestine/lebanon etc !

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

They would love his opinion if he followed there agenda, but it is to bad for them that abdmez is an individual thinker.

as someone has pointed out, Abdmez is happy that HE is being treated nice, he overlooks the thousands of innocent lebanese who have been mercilessly killed!

 

[Dawud_uk]

Dahir, Abdmez is IN ISRAEL , tell him to try live one day in palestine/lebanon etc !

assalaamu alaykum,

brothers and sisters should be very careful, Allah clearly tells us not to side with the kuffar against the muslims and this is exactly what certain muslims on here are advocating.

this is in itself a blatent act of kufr (apostasy) and although we are not qualified to pronounce takfir (call someone a kaffir) because we are not scholars or students of knowledge, still we should denounce those who side with kuffar against the muslims as guilty of an act of kufr and warn them that they need to repent.

we should fear Allah and not allow ourselves to be blinded by taking the easy path. it would have been easy for the prophet Muhammad (saws) to do so but he took the correct path each time and the correct thing to do here is defend the muslim lands against the zionist agressors whether it is in palestine or lebanon.

assalaamu alaykum,
Daw'ud

 

[מדינת ישׂראל]

Dahir, Abdmez is IN ISRAEL , tell him to try live one day in palestine/lebanon etc !

Did you even read his posts? His cousin was killed in the Gaza strip by his fellow Palestinians!

He has family who live in the Gaza Strip... do you think he doesn't care about his family?

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

Did you even read his posts? His cousin was killed in the Gaza strip by his fellow Palestinians!

He has family who live in the Gaza Strip... do you think he doesn't care about his family?

having family there and living there is different. His got security and therefore his happy. What about those millions that have no security? THATS MY POINT!

 

[lavikor201]

His cousin obiously had no ssecurity, because the governing body of the Gaza Strip killed his cousin! Hamas killed his cousin.

 

[IbnAbdulHakim]

His cousin obiously had no ssecurity, because the governing body of the Gaza Strip killed his cousin! Hamas killed his cousin.

my point exactly, this stupid war between israel and arabs needs to end ! but instead it only seems like the israelli's want more and more land ! Why cant they be happy with what they have. It definitly seems like they want to take over the land of lebanon!

first they had 1%, then 6% and now 50%-60% and looks like they want more...

 

[Dawud_uk]

His cousin obiously had no ssecurity, because the governing body of the Gaza Strip killed his cousin! Hamas killed his cousin.

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence lavikor,

the situation in gaza and the west bank is very dire security wise, people are killed in stupid arguments over pride between families and the PLO are very corrupt.

one PLO police commander was even accused of several rapes of his sister muslims but he was untouchable because of his position and as a member of the PLO.

so people are fighting in family feuds and others are fighting to preserve their family position which is owed to their loyalty to the PLO.

i am not saying that is why he was killed as i know nothing of the situation,

but HAMAS was chosen by the people of palestine because they said they would end the corruption which is mostly down to mismanagement and corruption within the PLO and to end the feuds.

God willing they will succeed in that.

as well as that HAMAS refuse to compromise on the islamic principle of permenently surendering muslim land, we cannot do it islamically.

so before the present stage of the conflict they stated they would sign a long term truce. this really is the best the jews can hope for as the muslims will never give more than this.

the muslims are becomming more and more religious both in palestine and other muslim lands, one day the jews will have to face the muslims united for their crimes in the foundation of israel and the stealing of palestine lands and resources.

but if the jews were clever they would sign that long term truce now, whilst they are in a position of strength because without it they will be destroyed totally as the jews of the past were who sided with the pagans of mekkah and tried to kill the prophet Muhammad (saws).

peace be upon those who follow righteous guidence,
Daw'ud

 

[מדינת ישׂראל]

So how can Israel negotiate with a group that wishes its total destruction?

They can't, therefore the hopes for peace in this region look very slim.

Does the Quran say anything about negotiating with people who have sworn to kill you?

 

[Chuck]

but HAMAS was chosen by the people of palestine because they said they would end the corruption which is mostly down to mismanagement and corruption within the PLO and to end the feuds.

Why Hamas can't accept Israel as a state? There are more important issues like ending corruption and poverty in Palestinian areas.

 

[Skillganon]

Why Hamas can't accept Israel as a state? There are more important issues like ending corruption and poverty in Palestinian areas.

Why should you accept thieves?

 

[wilberhum]

Why should you accept thieves?

Maybe to stop a 60 year old war?
Or would you like to see killing go on for another 60 years?
How much death and distruction will it take to satisfy you?

[MAD]Stop the Hate![/MAD]

 

[Chuck]

Why should you accept thieves?

Well, it is not about accepting thieves, it is focusing on issues more important issues for Palestinians.

 

[north_malaysian]

Thanks god I'm living in Malaysia.... You people make me confused!!!!

 

[lavikor201]

Why should you accept thieves?

How many lands in the Middle East that are now Muslim were 'stolen' from there original rulers and kingdoms...

 

[north_malaysian]

How many lands in the Middle East that are now Muslim were 'stolen' from there original rulers and kingdoms...

For me the good solution for this problems is to look forward, not looking whatever had happen before.......

Now we have an independent state of Israel and territories of Gaza Strip and West Bank.

Let us have a two separate country, namely:

1) Israel
2) Palestine

Issues:

Border
It the best way to use a pre-1967 border which is recognized by UN (if I'm not mistaken)

Jerusalem
1) Making it a neutral city under the admin of UN, or
2) Making it a divided city, which the Armenian, Christian and Muslim quarters ruled by Palestinians, and the Jewish part ruled by Israelis, or
3) A co-admin city by both Israel and Palestine (like a buffer zone or neutral zone) which Palestinians ruled according to Palestinian laws and Israelis under Israeli law. If there an action which involve both side, there should be a 'private International Law Court'.

Mount Temple / Al Aqsa mosque

Build a very large building, like twice the size of the mount temple on that site. This building will be divided equally between two religious group with a thick wall separating both part..... Religious activities by either party must never harm or distract other religious group. Dome of Rock (Masjid Umar) and Wailing wall must never be demolished because it's the ONLY memorable building for each respective religious group.

Palestinian refugees
They can come back and stay anywhere in Palestinian territory, but if they want to go back to their lands inside Israel, they have to choices:

a) Being an Israeli citizen, which must be loyal to the state of israel like other israelis, or
b) Being a Palestinian citizen with permanent resident status in Israel.

The cost of buying lands, houses inside Israel should be under a fund organized by OIC or Arab League. If their lands have Israelis living on it, they can buy any land available in Israel.

Jewish making aliyah
They can stay anywhere they like in Israel, but if they want to live inside Palestinian territory, the rules would be like Palestinian refugees mentioned before.

Equality

1) Israel to have: A Jewish president, A Jewish Prime Minister, A Sunni Deputy Prime Minister and a Druze Speaker of Parliament.

2) PAlestine to have: A Sunni President, A Sunni Prime Minister, A Jewish Deputy Prime Minister (i think maybe Naturei Kartei jews wanna be Palestinian citizens) and a Christian Speaker of Parliament.

 

[Keltoi]

For me the good solution for this problems is to look forward, not looking whatever had happen before.......

Now we have an independent state of Israel and territories of Gaza Strip and West Bank.

Let us have a two separate country, namely:

1) Israel
2) Palestine

Issues:

Border
It the best way to use a pre-1967 border which is recognized by UN (if I'm not mistaken)

Jerusalem
1) Making it a neutral city under the admin of UN, or
2) Making it a divided city, which the Armenian, Christian and Muslim quarters ruled by Palestinians, and the Jewish part ruled by Israelis, or
3) A co-admin city by both Israel and Palestine (like a buffer zone or neutral zone) which Palestinians ruled according to Palestinian laws and Israelis under Israeli law. If there an action which involve both side, there should be a 'private International Law Court'.

Mount Temple / Al Aqsa mosque

Build a very large building, like twice the size of the mount temple on that site. This building will be divided equally between two religious group with a thick wall separating both part..... Religious activities by either party must never harm or distract other religious group. Dome of Rock (Masjid Umar) and Wailing wall must never be demolished because it's the ONLY memorable building for each respective religious group.

Palestinian refugees
They can come back and stay anywhere in Palestinian territory, but if they want to go back to their lands inside Israel, they have to choices:

a) Being an Israeli citizen, which must be loyal to the state of israel like other israelis, or
b) Being a Palestinian citizen with permanent resident status in Israel.

The cost of buying lands, houses inside Israel should be under a fund organized by OIC or Arab League. If their lands have Israelis living on it, they can buy any land available in Israel.

Jewish making aliyah
They can stay anywhere they like in Israel, but if they want to live inside Palestinian territory, the rules would be like Palestinian refugees mentioned before.

Equality

1) Israel to have: A Jewish president, A Jewish Prime Minister, A Sunni Deputy Prime Minister and a Druze Speaker of Parliament.

2) PAlestine to have: A Sunni President, A Sunni Prime Minister, A Jewish Deputy Prime Minister (i think maybe Naturei Kartei jews wanna be Palestinian citizens) and a Christian Speaker of Parliament.

Sounds fair to me

 

[north_malaysian]

Sounds fair to me

Thank you....

But I know it's not perfect solution, maybe some forummers would like to donate some suggestions to it.

I mean, if the world leader cant solve it, let us do it for them.... at least in this forum..

 

[Dawud_uk]

At the end of the day Hamas said they would accept a long-term truce and as fair as i am aware this offer still stands despite all the killings and everything. A 10 or 20 or 50 year truce on the pre 67 borders.

Take it or leave it because nothing else is on the table.

I personally think the Zionist Jews are being foolish by not taking it, take a look around the middle east, Islam is rising up again and if you don’t have the deal signed and sealed with the Islamic movement by the time Islam comes about as a state system them Israel will be wiped off the map.

However if the deal is signed and they are at least still there in 50 years after a deal then they can sign another deal, a long-term lease in effect.

Personally i have no problem with Jews continuing to live there once an Islamic state comes about, but the Palestinians have a right to return but if the Jews compromised then i think it would be fair if they struck deals with those Palestinian families whose land they are occupying and paid them compensation, that would be fair.

That way Islamic rule would be restored, Palestinian rights would be recognised and Jews would be able to continue to live there, although under less favourable conditions than they presently enjoy.

Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,
Daw’ud

 

[north_malaysian]

At the end of the day Hamas said they would accept a long-term truce and as fair as i am aware this offer still stands despite all the killings and everything. A 10 or 20 or 50 year truce on the pre 67 borders.

Take it or leave it because nothing else is on the table.

I personally think the Zionist Jews are being foolish by not taking it, take a look around the middle east, Islam is rising up again and if you don’t have the deal signed and sealed with the Islamic movement by the time Islam comes about as a state system them Israel will be wiped off the map.

However if the deal is signed and they are at least still there in 50 years after a deal then they can sign another deal, a long-term lease in effect.

Personally i have no problem with Jews continuing to live there once an Islamic state comes about, but the Palestinians have a right to return but if the Jews compromised then i think it would be fair if they struck deals with those Palestinian families whose land they are occupying and paid them compensation, that would be fair.

That way Islamic rule would be restored, Palestinian rights would be recognised and Jews would be able to continue to live there, although under less favourable conditions than they presently enjoy.

Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,
Daw’ud

I think it's better for big, fat and rich Muslims to establish a fund for Arabs to come back to Israel by helping them to buy lands, houses and have jobs rather than compensation by Israelis. Let bygones be bygones.

If both countries establish fully independent borders.... for sure Malaysia would have diplomatic relationship with Israel... and Inshallah, I'll be dining at Lavikor's restaurant..