My wife doesn't always eat halal...

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STN said:
I just thought of it, what harms the environment more is our cars, deforestation and using A/Cs etc but hey, as long as animals aren't slaughtered.
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Here is good report about livestock industry´s influence to the environment, if you are interesting:

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/549

By the way, I afraid we are now quite far from the original topic... :embarrass
 
One can be Muslim and Vegan but a Muslim cannot condemn the consumption of meat and dairy based on one's desires and futile arguments against those who consume meat and dairy. As there is no doubt that the consumption of meat and dairy is an established Sunnah as well as the sacrificing of animals (Qurbani) each year in the blessed month of Dhul Hijjah which is compulsory (Waajib) upon those whom can afford to do so by distributing meat to the poor.
 
Hamza Asadullah said:
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''And verily! In the cattle, there is a lesson for you. We give you to drink of that which is in their bellies, from between excretions and blood, pure milk; palatable to the drinkers'' (16:66).

He even describes milk as a "healing":

There emerges from their bellies a drink, varying in colours, in which there is healing for people. Indeed in that is a sign for a people who give thought. (16;69)

What about Qurbani every year? Do you also prescribe that as a "sick practice"? Therefore my sister we should not talk from our desires. It is your prerogative if you do not want to eat meat nor consume dairy, but to call a Sunnah practice "sick" and something that "should not be halal" is completely condemnable.

So please do not take such an "extremist vegan" approach and understand that as Muslims we have the choice of what we want to eat and drink of the permissible foods and drinks, but we cannot reject or condemn others for consuming that which is a Sunnah. However we can advise others to avoid "over consumption" of meat and to eat a healthy balanced diet mainly consisting of vegetables.

And Allah knows best in all matters
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I see what you are saying. But on the other hand, the animals were treated very differently in the time of the Prophet (PBUH), than they are today. Factory farms are cruel and inhumane. I think we can find a wise balance by purchasing food from sources that are humane.

I will qualify my statement by saying that I do not know much about Islamic laws. If I spoke astray, please forgive me.
 
Only meat allowed for consumption in Islam is one where God's name was mentioned before killing the animal as humanely as possible. Which is why Islam allows us to eat zabiha (islamically slaughtered) meat or halal meat (slaughtered by people of the book). However, the meat available in the west is not halal. If you lived in a small town and know your local butcher to be a good Christian or Jew then you could get the meat from him. But in today's mass production meat industry, you don't know if the employees working in the slaughter house are people of the book much less religious people of the book who mention "in the name of God" before killing the animal. On that basis alone, it becomes susceptible whether the meat is halal or not.

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The other two reasons you shouldn't eat that meat are on the grounds of health and moral issues.

Moral issue - Islam commands kind treatment to animals, even at time of slaughtering which is contrary to what happens in the meat industry.

Health issues - animal abuse leads to cuts, infections, puss, feces/bacteria from unhygienic environment, growth hormones and other chemicals and GMO injections, all which lead to unhealthy meat.
 
LaSorcia said:
I see what you are saying. But on the other hand, the animals were treated very differently in the time of the Prophet (PBUH), than they are today. Factory farms are cruel and inhumane. I think we can find a wise balance by purchasing food from sources that are humane.

I will qualify my statement by saying that I do not know much about Islamic laws. If I spoke astray, please forgive me.
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As stated earlier it is actually emphasised in Islam to eat less meat as the Prophet's (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) diet was mostly vegetarian and he did not eat meat very often apart from on certain occasions. As a society particularly in certain cultures we consume far too much meat which causes detrimental affect to one's health. In the Muwatt Umar (Ra) says, ‘Beware of meat, because it has an addiction like the addiction of wine.’

However the issue in this thread was the fact that you had a member condemning others who eat meat and dairy which is utterly wrong. However I do agree that animals are treated inhumanely by many abattoirs and slaughterhouses and as Muslims we should ensure as far as possible that the meat we do consume is in accordance with proper Islamic Dhabeeha methods, which is that animals must be cared for and treated and slaughtered in the best way and manner possible so as to lessen pain and suffering to the animal.

Certainly if we can raise the animal and slaughter it ourselves then that is far better but is not practical for most. In an ideal world we should all consume grass fed organic meat and dairy but unfortunately at present it is not affordable or accessible for most.
 
I see two different things are being discussed here, one, haram/halal food, and humane slaughter issue - which is a topic for another thread.

And [MENTION=9623]sister herb[/MENTION], yes the seafood issue as you explained, there's a difference of opinion, but as for meat/chicken, halal slaughtering in the name of Allah is a must for all madhabs.

I would like to also point out that there is no extremism in Islam, no compelled vegetarianism or anything which is done in excess. Islam is uses the middle path always, alhamdulillah.
 
Why are admin allowing this thread to become derailed? If you guys wanna have a nutritional debate (I'm all for it as this is my field) please do it on another thread as this takes away from the topic.

As for the OP, you should describe the food you speak of and what you mean by "not halal". What are her justifications for doing what she does. You'll have to gently show her the importance of eating permissible foods.

Also people, he isn't sharing his real name (I assume) or private contact details for anyone to go find who the person he speaks of is. If he were to ask the question generally, he may not get the answer he seeks.
 
u shouldnt just tell her that is haram u should also tell her its harmful for the body too..
 
It's amazing how the op has not even described what he claims he thinks is haram, yet has all these difference inducing notions about madhabs - "halal" means opened/allowed/released/untied by Allah.
Yet another makes a blanket comment on how lawful dairy products are unlawful, then after it is explained clearly by brother hamza, another brother decides to forget that east and west both belong to Allah in such a lengthy tirade that makes it easy for the other person to lash back and explain how she didn't really mean forbidden, but meant western, but that he should leave the west, then he comes back and says, I didn't mean west (in a similar fashion to the way she claimed she didn't mean dairy products - even though her post apparently implied that she initially did) - unless both or one were/was purposefully doing it in order to confuse or trick everyone.
And yet the original poster hasn't even bothered to clarify.......

Highly interesting, it speaks volumes about the effect the secualrist media bombardment has on such people who are perfectly happy to go from c to d to e ad infinitum without stopping to think about the validity of a.
Think about the psychology and how false notions can easily be installed in those hackable minds simply through a constant barrage of propaganda regardless of validity of premise.

Btw, since so much has been said, i may as well provide some useful information.
our village cows eat grass and rice stalks which no human eats, and yet multiple times that amount of long grass remains untouched in the plentiful marshes. So the cows, sheep, and goats are a bonus food, their milk is drunk and also left for calves, and their dung is also used on the fields before planting season, and for planting veg and trees for fruits and furniture and boats etc. They used to be regularly used to plough fields and also press stalks to separate rice.

Also, God knows what would happen to the price of vegetables if cattle were taken out of the natural eco-system and how much toxic compost and fertilizer would be added to "vegetables".
 
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