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If I know 100 percent that only a woman can see me, I'd probably agree with it. But if I dont know for a fact who the freak behind the curtain is, then I can't feel safe enough to go through that scanner...that's the point really.
 
They probably save them and have a laugh later, sick freaks that they are.. Abu gharib anyone?
 
If I know 100 percent that only a woman can see me, I'd probably agree with it. But if I dont know for a fact who the freak behind the curtain is, then I can't feel safe enough to go through that scanner...that's the point really.

This wont stop here today there might be a body scanner but tomorrow its going to be an optic fiber camera up the orifices



PREGNANT mother horrified to see live pictures of her BED on a travel news website.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2784654/Mum-CCTV-spied-on-bedroom.html



No warrant needed to enter homes
http://www.thisishullandeastriding....ter-homes/article-1649817-detail/article.html


Telecom firms' fury at plan for 'Stasi' checks on every phone call and email

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...si-like-checks-phone-email.html#ixzz0bxHLDKoO


Sneaky 'camouflaged' speed cameras look like posts
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/10/18/camouflaged-115875-21755159/

See the bigger picture the aim is to destroy privacy and when you have no privacy you become a zombie because privacy is freedom

Council snoopers watch us on 60,000 CCTV cameras

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-watch-60-000-CCTV-cameras.html#ixzz0bxKLb15q


UK surveillance cameras stir big brother fears

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26505627-5003402,00.html


Tamim al-Dari in the prophets time met dajjal and he was on an island with another being called jassassa in a monastery

al jassassa is spy in arabic

the hadith :

''They landed on the island, and were met by
a beast who was so hairy that they could not tell its front from its back.
They said, "Woe to you! What are you?" It said, "I am al-Jassasah." They
said, "What is al-Jassasah?" It said, "O people, go to this man in the
monastery, for he is very eager to know about you." Tamim said that when
it named a person to us, we were afraid lest it be a devil''
http://islamworld.net/docs/hour/Six.txt
 
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@ some point they'll just start implanting chips in people and justify it by the usual scare tactics!
 
a friend of my a very respectful elderly Syrian man and his wife were asked to remove the diaper from their granddaughter in the airport because elderly Muslims love to wrap explosives in children diapers...

you know what the problem is, we're are not defining the limits of what is acceptable..
from complete insolence toward the prophet and Islam,from framing innocent people, to abuse of civilians in foreign nations, kowtowing to them in our homelands, letting them strip us of our money and history while apologizing for crimes we didn't commit, and trying to coax them by actually accepting the bull**** they publish about us and apologizing for it..

what ****s they are (I am so angry and livid today) like that piece of **** atheist who is trying to convince us that boycotting a poor little country like Denmark is really not the right way to go about it..

why do we accommodate these ****s left and right trying to improve an image about us which they have already created in their head and they are here for no other purpose than to convince us of their beliefs...

Do you really want to be friends with these people? you want to extend da3wa to them? The thought of them burning in hell for all eternity is about the only sobering thing that keeps me going as I am filled with rage!
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sister, i understand your rage - the problem is that we have build defeatist mindset with our defensive and apologetic approach. We are too much concerned about what people think about us and improving our image to fit in. We shouldn't give d@mn about kuffaar think about us and our religion. We know that they will continue to hate us and not accept us until we give up our beliefs.
 
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I just saw the body scanners on google, and ..May Allah protect all Muslims, it is just disgusting and provoking , I am just out of words. :raging:

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The reason I say this is because as I have mentioned earlier, the problem is foreign policy, Muslims are not attacking planes and civilian posts because they just simply want to remove non-Muslims from the earth but because they hate the US govt and what it represents. They hate the fact that the US has orphaned Iraq, stole its assets and claimed to seek WMD's from a man now six feet under with no recovery of these weapons. Without a doubt the biggest lie of this decade-past is the claim that Saddaam had WMD's and could set them off in 45 minutes, this was the whole basis for the war in Iraq! Why cant we Muslims be outspoken for the many innocents who have been killed unjustly in this case? Why are people who march against the US oppressors labelled fanatics or extremist Muslims?

Nobody is disagreeing with you. The US has had many unjust wars. However, we are discussing whether airport scanners are a valid answer to the bomb threat. The overall solution is obviously for the US stop supporting terror in the world, but if you want to wait until that happens you'll be waiting a long time.

Unfortunately for us, all we have to see is our fellow Muslims arguing with one another over this issue, when the blood of our ummah is more honourable than all of this! There is no disobedience to Allaah for the sake of creation and we should not allow legislation like this which is unislamic, once it is introduced and we are forced, then matters take a different direction but for now we speak against this infringement upon our rights!

If the blood of our ummah is so important why doesn't the bomber say to himself "oh no I can't do this now, there are Muslim families on this plane... maybe I should ask them if they are willing to sacrifice themselves and their children". Having a decision like that made on your behalf is a bigger infringment on your rights.

The worrying thing is, where do we go from here? Should we have cameras in our homes which are viewed by the government too? That would be a safety precaution! Should we remove ayahs about Jihaad? That would be a safety precaution! The list is endless.

Once again you confuse the issue. Camera's in our homes would be unacceptable because they are OUR homes. The airline is a service, it is not YOUR airline, the airport is not YOUR airport. They are owned by others and by using them you have to agree to THEIR terms and conditions.

One question -

Lets say you own a Muslim airline and there are attempts being made to blow up your planes by an unknown group.
You have been given the solution of an airport scanner. These will not cause passengers any delay or inconvenience by having them remove clothes. They may not stop all the attempts but lets say 15% of threats are stopped.

Would you accept this solution? Bearing in mind that 15% would equate to something like 500 lives saved per year.

It's easy to keep saying no, but what other solution would you suggest?
 
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How about a passport for starters?


http://www.infowars.com/government-allowed-plane-bomber-to-attempt-attack/

if you believe in the Al-Qaeda easter bunny crap, then I pity you. It is one thing for them to believe their made lies to further their agenda, and another for Muslims to go along for the ride!

” A true believer shouldn't be bitten from the same snake hole twice.”

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@ some point they'll just start implanting chips in people and justify it by the usual scare tactics!

Checking passports is a measure already in place. This guy managed to get around that one check. Its possible he would have got around the scanner too, but maybe he wouldn't. It doesn't support either argument.

Why don't you stick to the topic? You seem intent on imposing beliefs on people about different topics or predicting the future. I have not mentioned Al-Qaeda at any time in this topic and whether chips will be implanted in people or not is unknown/irrelevent. We can discuss the Easter Bunny nearer Easter time if you like.

You did not answer the question I posed either (since passports are already in use).
 
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...Blame the terrorists for trying to blow up passenger jets. The more they try to attack us, the more action our government will take to prevent it from occuring again even if it means stripping you completely to make sure that you carry nothing. In the good old days prior to 9/11 the airport security was relaxed, laid back and an attack on an airline was unthinkable. The "muslim extremists" are making it tougher for other muslims in the West.
 
...Blame the terrorists for trying to blow up passenger jets. The more they try to attack us, the more action our government will take to prevent it from occuring again even if it means stripping you completely to make sure that you carry nothing. In the good old days prior to 9/11 the airport security was relaxed, laid back and an attack on an airline was unthinkable. The "muslim extremists" are making it tougher for other muslims in the West.

blame you and your governments for bombing their countries, killing their famillies, arresting them, torturing them, and raping them. you should take the blame for them wanting to attack you for all the crimes you have commited. so indeed, blame the terrorists, yourselves.
 
...Blame the terrorists for trying to blow up passenger jets. The more they try to attack us, the more action our government will take to prevent it from occuring again even if it means stripping you completely to make sure that you carry nothing. In the good old days prior to 9/11 the airport security was relaxed, laid back and an attack on an airline was unthinkable. The "muslim extremists" are making it tougher for other muslims in the West.

the good ole days prior 9-11? you imperial terrorist, history didnt start on 9-11, in the 'good ole' days you had already attacked iraq, supported israel with their money and weapons used to occupy Muslim land in Palestine, Lebanon, Egypt, and Syria, not to mention the thousands of civillians they killed with your blessing. you have been bombing and killing Muslims far before 9-11 ever came into being, so dont bring up 9-11 as if history began on this day, but then again, you are an imperial terrorist, and its in your blood to not care about your crimes and victims, you only take note and start opening your mouth when the shoe is on the other foot.

dont make me even bring up Europe's colonolialism in the Muslim world as well. and this is all RECENT HISTORY, so what 'good ole' days? your the terrorist.
 
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Checking passports is a measure already in place. This guy managed to get around that one check. Its possible he would have got around the scanner too, but maybe he wouldn't. It doesn't support either argument.

Why don't you stick to the topic? You seem intent on imposing beliefs on people about different topics or predicting the future. I have not mentioned Al-Qaeda at any time in this topic and whether chips will be implanted in people or not is unknown/irrelevent. We can discuss the Easter Bunny nearer Easter time if you like.

You did not answer the question I posed either (since passports are already in use).

you wrote:

Originally Posted by Ferown

It's easy to keep saying no, but what other solution would you suggest?
to which I replied clearly and concisely, that starting with a passport would be a good first step!

If you allege that said security measures are done as to ward off potential terrorist attacks based on these 'apparent threats' then I question why not start with checking for an identity first before jumping into machines that denude people? Unless of course the culprit was aided into the act to allow for mass violation?!


I usually like to not have at it with Muslims and prefer to let go with one or two shortcomings, but don't try me!

all the best!
 
if the security officials had done their job correctly then the attempt would have been foiled without need of scanners, and anyway, security measures nowadays are so tight in the first place that any would be bomber can only resort to devices that don't really cause much harm and that are clearly not enough to blow up airplanes, notice how the passengers were the ones who subdued the last attempt, and that it wasn't going to work anyway., which leads to the question of how marginal the benefit would be from the scanners as opposed to officials actually doing their job correctly?

the scanners themselves pose no problem if certain safeguards were in place, such as blurring the faces for example, and the images being deleted right away after being checked plus the operator being in a separate room so he wouldn't be able to see who was being scanned etc. but the point is, they're not going to be that effective against current threats to the extent that they're toted to be.

hence they'd be a huge waste of money, a great cause of discomfort for many people as well as have a potentially negative impact on security by imparting confidence in the safety of airplanes and so on but not actually addressing the threat more meaningfully.

in fact, there's speculation on whether the Christmas attack perpetrator would been detected at all using the scanners ...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...sure-to-sack-intelligence-chiefs-1859947.html
 
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you wrote:

to which I replied clearly and concisely, that starting with a passport would be a good first step!

If you allege that said security measures are done as to ward off potential terrorist attacks based on these 'apparent threats' then I question why not start with checking for an identity first before jumping into machines that denude people? Unless of course the culprit was aided into the act to allow for mass violation?!


I usually like to not have at it with Muslims and prefer to let go with one or two shortcomings, but don't try me!

all the best!

Its like you suggesting speed camera's to stop speeding. They are already in place, but if a person removes his number plate he can get around them.
What you suggested is already in place. The passenger just found a way to get around this measure.

Nobody is trying you and we are not "having" anything. As a brother mentioned before; nothing is meant personally. This is a civilized topic with the hope of reaching a common solution :p
 
if the security officials had done their job correctly then the attempt would have been foiled without need of scanners, and anyway, security measures nowadays are so tight in the first place that any would be bomber can only resort to devices that don't really cause much harm and that are clearly not enough to blow up airplanes, notice how the passengers were the ones who subdued the last attempt, and that it wasn't going to work anyway., which leads to the question of how marginal the benefit would be from the scanners as opposed to officials actually doing their job correctly?

the scanners themselves pose no problem if certain safeguards were in place, such as blurring the faces for example, and the images being deleted right away after being checked plus the operator being in a separate room so he wouldn't be able to see who was being scanned etc. but the point is, they're not going to be that effective against current threats to the extent that they're toted to be.

hence they'd be a huge waste of money, a great cause of discomfort for many people as well as have a potentially negative impact on security by imparting confidence in the safety of airplanes and so on but not actually addressing the threat more meaningfully.

in fact, there's speculation on whether the Christmas attack perpetrator would been detected at all using the scanners ...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...sure-to-sack-intelligence-chiefs-1859947.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34615697

And just to add to this, go to the 3 minute mark. This guy speaks the truth.
 
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I hope it's not off-topic but I want to know how exactly passengers caught that alleged criminal ?

He managed to went inside the plane but did not go to washroom to bring that bomb from under garments . He tried to take it out in front of others ? Is that logical ?

Now authorities are sure that there is no more danger and in future if anyone tries to do the same , machine will successfully take image of what is inside the unger garment ?? What about all the airport and airline staff who can manage to go inside the Plane ? Who will check them 24/7 ?

And not only 14 countries but all passengers from any country will have to go through those scanners ? I wonder what Catholic Nuns are thinking about this ?
 
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Blackpool said:
... The "muslim extremists" are making it tougher for other muslims in the West.
... you are an imperial terrorist, and its in your blood to not care about your crimes and victims, you only take note and start opening your mouth when the shoe is on the other foot.

The_Prince, I'm not disputing your point about history, but note the distinction Blackpool makes above, vs your lack of any--unless you believe Blackpool himself has been orchestrating or implementing that history.

I heard it said in this very forum that Islam is better than tribalism. Let it be so.
 

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