NEW ARTICLE: The Impossible God

[ISDhillon]

Re: What do they believe?

You said in that thread you were going to read some book on logic so you he stopped the thread

that doesnt mean i stopped the debate i feel i portrayed the correct version in the last post, also i know you have been following this debate so what did you understand of the limits of logic from my last post?, I actually showed in that discussion that where ansar thought that treanscending logic was illogical was wrong but it seems that was the nail on the coffin, sometimes we get caught up in the discussion we dont realise the tide has been turned, and the thread was closed, simple fact is that transcending logic is not an opposite its about the finite nature of human reason and the infinite nature of god.

 

[Mohsin]

Re: What do they believe?

that doesnt mean i stopped the debate i feel i portrayed the correct version in the last post, also i know you have been following this debate so what did you understand of the limits of logic from my last post?, I actually showed in that discussion that where ansar thought that treanscending logic was illogical was wrong but it seems that was the nail on the coffin, sometimes we get caught up in the discussion we dont realise the tide has been turned, and the thread was closed, simple fact is that transcending logic is not an opposite its about the finite nature of human reason and the infinite nature of god.

Lol i'm sorry, but i disagree with you. I was beginning to feel sorry for you in the thread, i thought it was getting bad and was actually glad it got closed. I thought you were happy too since you didnt then react. guess i was wrong. PM Ansar and tell him to re-open it

 

[ISDhillon]

Re: What do they believe?

Lol i'm sorry, but i disagree with you. I was beginning to feel sorry for you in the thread, i thought it was getting bad and was actually glad it got closed. I thought you were happy too since you didnt then react. guess i was wrong. PM Ansar and tell him to re-open it

lol I doubt you even understand the debate you will have to prove to me or ansar how this explanation does not show that transcending logic is cannot be equated with being illogical remember this is the position ansar and the islam-sikhism people took and has been revoked, in fact i am laughing at you:giggling:


"Listen to me, I have done some extra reading, when you achieve self-realisation you reach the heights of human reason and this is known as anand/bliss if it had been illogical then surely my guru would have opposed it being illogical but no he called it bliss because their was no words for its description. This bliss transcends logic. Human reason will only take us to a certain point and then we must go on without it. Self-realisation is not unknowable but it is not fully comprehensible I think this is our problem and why we are carrying on this pointless debate. I understand now that instinct is irrelevant to logic; however self-realisation which is the core of Sikh teachings transcends logic. I was reading a book on self-realisation and logic and they said that it is a state where it is neither fully logical or fully illogical but logic itself compels us to move towards this state which is outside of this realm, and I believe that’s what sggs does you may disagree but that is completely fine with me. Things which transcend logic: god, faith and beauty (btw I am not clever just got this from a book): so human reason is finite and probably flawed, god is not infinite therefore he must be able to pass the test of logic but also he is not to be limited by logic. I want to write more but am reading a really good book on self-realisation and logic so will have the answers you require about my religion soon."

see the above that makes sense!!

 

[Ansar Al-'Adl]

Re: What do they believe?

Hello Dhillon,

If you know then why dont clear the misconception

I did. See the last post. I said Muslims do not believe that the universe is somehow limited to just our earth. Our doctrines do not change; they are what is in the Qur'an.

this is a reaction to the absurdity and ignorance

Yes, I am reacting to absurdity and ignorance.

I can bet in the next few days someone will again come on the thread and claim our guru was a muslim, this has been taught to children through their upbringing and represents a deliberate intent from muslim elders to malign the magnificence of sikhism.

This is your problem - no coherence or relevance in your posts. Am I talking about your gurus? I am answering an allegation about Muslims' beliefs and now you start going on about who your guru was. You don't seem to understand when something is relevant and when it is not. Your posts are just littered with unrelated comments.

I would also like to say that I have been discriminated against on this forum by yourself with regards to the warning

Another off-topic comment. What does this have to do with my post to Khoza? Absolutely nothing. You are earning yourself another warning if you keep this up - if you have a concern about the moderation on this forum you can pm us. If we see fit we will reply. Otherwise, bringing this up in discussions on religion will only bring you more warnings.

I have actually seen other members since do the same offence I was accused of I wonder if they received a warning we would never know.

You won't. We will. We provide warnings to those who violate forum rules. You don't know who recieves a warning or who doesn't.

I would also like to say that when you tell participants on this forum to reply to moderators directly at least you could have courtesy to answer their pm instead of waiting for them to repeat their pm.

If a response is needed we provide it. If you have a problem you can send me a pm. Enough derailing this thread, or we will have to issue more warnings.

An angels not gods.

No God's revelation. I already said this. You are in no position to provide false information on Islamic issues. Do so again and you will have another warning.

A humans? - who's attacking now, you have no proof that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji came from a human it says that it is a direct revelation from god

Another off-topic comment. Did I say I was referring to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? No I did not. I was refuting the allegation against the Qur'an.

and I have proven that koran is not, end of story.

You have proven nothing with regard to the Qur'an, except for your ignorance of it. If you want to discuss a specific allegation then we can do so in a seperate thread or you will get more warnings for going off-topic in a thread on Sikhism.

BTW I do not feel you answered my question properly regarding the impossible god

Actually I answered every single one of your points:
http://www.islamicboard.com/311547-post95.html
Then, instead of responding you said that you were reading an interesting book and would get back to me later instead of continuing with the "pointless debate" (your words not mine):
http://www.islamicboard.com/311656-post97.html

ISDhillon I think this is our problem and why we are carrying on this POINTLESS DEBATE

...I want to write more but am reading a really good book on self-realisation and logic so [you] will have the answers you require about my religion soon​

So we see clearly that it was not I who failed to provide a response - YOU called the debate pointless, decided not to respond and told me you were reading an interesting book and would get back to me later on the topic. So don't ask me about a debate you yourself called pointless and decided not to respond in.

Until then, if you have any further comments on these issues you are to discuss them with me through PM, otherwise you will recieve more warnings.

Regards