New studies reveal scientific miracles in the fly Hadith

[Hemoo]

besides there was many false theories in the time of the prophet
for example "some of the greeks used to say a false theory about the formation of groundwater but this false theory is not mentioned in the quran , so why did the prophet left this theory and how did he know that it is wrong,except through revelation ???"

but the quran does not mention any one of these false theroies

also people used to say that the sun is not moving but the quran didn't say the same thing ,so why didn't the quran mention the same wrong theories that existed in those era ? because it's the words of the creator of every thing which is ALLAH.

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And the sun runs on to a term appointed for it; that is the ordinance of the Mighty, the Knowing.


so i ask you to get me an old book (1400 years old) that mentioned many aspects of science and not a single info in it has been proven that it contradicts with the right scientific facts

even the greek and romans books you will find it contains some right things and a lot of wrong things ,you know why ? because this is the nature of the humans ,it is their nature to be sometimes wrong


but not the revelation ,not the Quran ...

 

[mariam.]

Is there anything in the quran that has created new knowledge?
Or is it all after the fact?

Hi ranma1/2:

I think this site can help you The Quran miracles Encyclopedia

If you have any question about Islam and the scientific miracles in the Holy Quran and Hadith Send it to [email protected] .

finally Please Note that Arabic is the Language of Quran so It's Better to Learn it to understand clearly All the miracles in Quran ..

peace.

 

[- Qatada -]

:salamext:


This is a good link also inshaa Allaah:

Miraculous Quran
http://www.load-islam.com/wel_islam.php?topic_id=3

 

[ranma1/2]

Hi Hemoo,
I have to say it seems like you are picking and choosing what you deem to be false theories.
Would you say the prediction "Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7).

Is it a true or false theory?

regardless of that as i have said before there is no reason to believe that there are any predictions what so ever. Any thing that might actually be said was either known at the time or is taking the words out of context and trying to make them fit a modern theory.

If they were true predictions then you should expect to see many a muslim scientific advancement inspired by the quran. I know of none.

 

[ranma1/2]

Hi Fi_Sabilillah and Mariam

I have book marked the sites you suggested but so far what i have scanned I dont have high hopes.

Thanks for the links.

 

[ranma1/2]

Hi ranma1/2:

...

finally Please Note that Arabic is the Language of Quran so It's Better to Learn it to understand clearly All the miracles in Quran ..

peace.

Hi again, I appreciate the civil tone it is very refreshing after speaking to some members on this board.

I have a question that ill ask here and we can talk at another thread to keep this oneon topic.

Why did god only want the quran in arabic. It is clear that much misunderstanding is created when you cant translate something from one language to another with out slightly changing the meaning. It seems to me god could have easily sent to multiple prohits the perfect translation for at elast the major languages. It also seems to me that even if you speak the language natively there are always going to be slight problems when you learn the language, you may understand a word slightly differently than others. If you want to reply just create another thread and we will discuss there. Thanks

 

[جوري]

Hi Hemoo,
I have to say it seems like you are picking and choosing what you deem to be false theories.
Would you say the prediction "Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7).

Is it a true or false theory?

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فَلْيَنظُرِ الْإِنسَانُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ {5}​

[Pickthal 86:5] So let man consider from what he is created.

خُلِقَ مِن مَّاء دَافِقٍ {6}​

[Pickthal 86:6] He is created from a gushing fluid

يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ {7}​

[Pickthal 86:7] That issued from between the loins and ribs.

إِنَّهُ عَلَى رَجْعِهِ لَقَادِرٌ {8}​

[Pickthal 86:8] Lo! He verily is Able to return him (unto life)

Main Entry: loin
Pronunciation: 'loin
Function: noun
2 plural a : the upper and lower abdominal regions and the region about the hips b (1) : the pubic region


Also take a look at where the seminal vesicle is and then pose the question again

http://owensboro.kctcs.edu/gcaplan/anat2/notes/Notes2%20male%20reproductive%20anatomy.htm

"As you may already know, the purpose of semen is to take the sperm for a ride through the body and to nourish it along the way. A very small part of a man's seminal fluid is actually sperm made in the testicles; the rest is semen produced by the prostate gland and the nearby seminal vesicles."

Do the verses seem false?

 

[جوري]

How on earth do you know that they "weren't known"? It seems a perfectly reasonable supposition that what might be a "fabled lost city" now was nothing of the sort 1400 years ago? Particularly if the culture that knew about it was as illiterate as everyone keeps saying it is.

How on earth do you know that they were? the city was buried under, if you'd actually read the article... a city from 2800 BC and wasn't mentioned any other text or seen until recently and only by satellite

http://home.hetnet.nl/~lilian_jan_schreurs/oman/Ubar.htm
and still not satisfactory for you?
Why do you have an explanation for everything, other than what is blatantly obvious? Did prophet Mohammed have the time to test high Attitude hypoxia, and the sex of the worker bee and scavenge for lost cities in Petra and 3amman, checking out the sea waves, speaking of Christians who died hundreds of years prior in a cave in turkey that weren't even mentioned in other biblical books ... in beautiful unparalleled text, all while setting laws for a complete political, social, economic and religious system?-- What is the point in doing all that? Did he enjoy the mockery of querish, being ousted by his tribe and sleeping on an empty stomach? or just for amusements sake?

 

[thirdwatch512]

hello you guys,

now I, being a christian, am not fascinated by science in the qu'ran one bit.

the Bible says many times that false prophets will come along, who will be able to perform miracles, who might prophesy the future, and who might even speak greatly of the Lord. but nevertheless, that doesn't make them a prophet. it even says that even the elect will be deceived.

but hey, that shows the true colors of a religion.. whenever i read these "science in qu'ran" or "islamic science", i don't get fascinated by islam.. i realize that people only base their faith on so called science. i realize that the believers weren't true believers to begin with if they require science to believe.

if you're going to show the so called science in the qu'ran, why don't you show the verses that say the sun revolves around the earth? lol.

now about the city of iram.. in A Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, A translation of Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah, pp. 197-198, it quotes Jews saying "We shall follow him and kill you by his aid as 'Ad and Iram perished" ... so um, appearently, according to this, the Jews knew about iram if they quoted it.

 

[جوري]

Funny thing.. go check on comparative religion.. you'll find the Jews say the exact same thing of Jesus (a false messiah) since their books tells them to be wary of false prophets-- citing your identical words......

you don't know the first thing about how we practice or what we base our faith on so don't make ridiculous generalizations. You speak of the miracles Jesus' brought forth, yet the bible is the only testament to them. The Quran is its own testament of beauty and transcendence...When the Quran speaks of the heaven's splitting asunder so that it appears like a rose "When the sky splits apart, and turns rose-like..." (Qur'an 55:37)
.. I am sure meant nothing to the people at the time, but it means something to me when I see images captured by NASA... it is a book for every generation and every generation will find something in it exclusively for them... That is in essence its greatest miracle... What we can always read and see.. not read and accept on blind faith

if memory serves me well... some of your personal practices that you have professed here on the forum aren't acceptable even by Christian standards, so I don't see how your view of Islam is consequential?


Perhaps you can show us the verses of the sun revolving around the earth?

And good thing you are following the right prophet "Paul"-- he is really setting you on the right path...

Lastly I don't see how ibn Ishaq speaks for the Jews-- is this in the Tanakh?? in any of their actual books? for the longest time this was deemed the "fabled" city -- and the Quran passed off as false because of it-- no Jew came forth to identify it then, why is it all of a sudden supposedly mentioned by them vis a vis ibn ishaq of whom survives word in mainly two sources both of them edited copies the latter an edited copy, or recension, prepared by his student Salama ibn-Fadl al-Ansari.
BTW, I have looked up the pages and no such account of those Jews is mentioned. So not mentioned in Jewish scriptures and not mentioned in edited copies whose authenticity has not been proven--makes me wonder how far you need to circumnavigate the world to prove something in the Quran incorrect or borrowed?

No one is expecting you to follow the Quran or be a Muslim-- I personally think it a blessing-- but why are you here on an islamic forum?

peace!

 

[thirdwatch512]

i'm on an islamic forum to learn. is that illegal?

if, since i'm a christian, i shouldn't be welcomed here, simply because i profess a different faith.. do you think that you should be welcome in america, since you profess a different faith then most? you see... that argument already shatters.

and about your post of "prophet paul." - if Christian texts are so corrupt, then why on earth does the qu'ran say to refer to "the People of the Book" numerous times!!

that would be like someone saying the earth was flat, and it had been already adressed that the earth wasn't flat, and the person was wrong, yet the textbooks still said the earth was flat!! makes no sense!

and about me, and my personally life.. yes, i am gay. but my Church accepts me. i have talked to my priest about ti several times, and he told me that everyone is welcomed in Gods house, reguardless of who we love.

so some christians might not like me, but nevertheless will usually still agree that i am welcome in a Church.

almost anyone is welcome into a church.

 

[جوري]

You mock what is in the Quran, you pass false accusations as to its contents and generally don't seem to enjoy your stay here from some of your noted comments, it would seem to make sense that you would be in a place where you are with your peers and are comfortable? If I went to a Christian forum, I'd not be going there to tell them Jesus is the false Messiah and I am not amused by their phony biblical text... seems sort of insolent don't you think?

Also practically the majority of Americans are mutts-- unless you are one of the indigenous people... check the demographics to see how many religions are practiced here before we have this discussion on who does or doesn't belong!

But I digress--There is not a verse in the Quran and I defy you to find one that mentions the Earth as flat,Also what you contended earlier was the sun revolving around the earth? Why does your story change? Don't confuse your Christian middle ages for what is in the Quran if you knew Arabic.. I believe you have an Arabic boyfriend? ask him what (daha'ha) "دَحَاهَا "means as was described of the earth... if it were lost to you in the translation that isn't the Quran's problem but yours for deliberately twisting to suit your whims

وَالْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ ذَلِكَ دَحَاهَا {30}​

[Shakir 79:30] And the earth, He expanded it after that.

the word itself "dah'ha"دَحَاهَا means to give it a round/elliptical shape... this isn't subject to interpretations of your whims or needs.

From a historical perspective, perhaps you can explain why the globe that was given by AL-IDRISI ( A Muslim Sholar) (1099-1166 C.E.) to Roger II, King of Sicily who crushed it (the globe that is), Roger contending the medieval common belief accepted by the chruch, stating that the earth is flat?

I don't care what your church allows or disallows G-D's laws aren't subject to liberal interpretation..

-- the "book" that G-D sent.. isn't remotly close to what you have got. I am not going to get into it any more than this, it has already been discussed some where on this forum ad nauseum ...
peace!

 

[ranma1/2]

فَلْيَنظُرِ الْإِنسَانُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ {5}​

......Also take a look at where the seminal vesicle is and then pose the question again

.......
"As you may already know, the purpose of semen is to take the sperm for a ride through the body and to nourish it along the way. A very small part of a man's seminal fluid is actually sperm made in the testicles; the rest is semen produced by the prostate gland and the nearby seminal vesicles."

Do the verses seem false?

Yes, absolutely YES! You do know the prostate gland and seminal vessels are not located between the back bone and ribs right?

I would post a diagram but im sure that would break some sort of forum rule.

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7).

For that matter we are not formed in the man at all but we are formed from DNA contributed by both the man and the woman. And since it is suggesting that we are formed from a drop emiited between the backbone a and rib it sounds as if it is suggesting the sperm is created there.


Of course we could digress into how this knowledge was copied from what was known at the time and incorrect, it was believe for centuries that sperm came form the kidney "which is between the spine and the ribs unlike the prostate"

 

[جوري]

Yes, absolutely YES! You do know the prostate gland and seminal vessels are not located between the back bone and ribs right?

I would post a diagram but im sure that would break some sort of forum rule.

"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted-Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs," (Qur'an 86:5-7).

For that matter we are not formed in the man at all but we are formed from DNA contributed by both the man and the woman. And since it is suggesting that we are formed from a drop emiited between the backbone a and rib it sounds as if it is suggesting the sperm is created there.


Of course we could digress into how this knowledge was copied from what was known at the time and incorrect, it was believe for centuries that sperm came form the kidney "which is between the spine and the ribs unlike the prostate"

We have already provided you with the appropriate translation, if you insist your understanding of Arabic from your Islamophobic sites is better --then whatever tickles your fancy.. You provide us with mild amusements on occasion...

فَلْيَنظُرِ الْإِنسَانُ مِمَّ خُلِقَ {5}​

[Pickthal 86:5] So let man consider from what he is created.

خُلِقَ مِن مَّاء دَافِقٍ {6}​

[Pickthal 86:6] He is created from a gushing fluid

يَخْرُجُ مِن بَيْنِ الصُّلْبِ وَالتَّرَائِبِ {7}​

[Pickthal 86:7] That issued from between the loins and ribs.



Main Entry: loin
Pronunciation: 'loin
Function: noun
2 plural a : the upper and lower abdominal regions and the region about the hips b (1) : the pubic region

or do you wish to turn this into a (cut/paste and run) before I have to account for my blather sort of debate like you have done on your evolution thread? If you have strong evidence as to how the Quran was copied from other sources, then please prove it... here is a cyber copy http://www.al-islam.org/quran/with three different translations
And we have a wonderful refutation section right here on the forum for you to spew hate to your heart's content!

If by your inflammatory writing style you wish to elicit some kind of a reaction in truth you highlight your mindlessness and repeatedly ...
The creation of man is discussed all throughout the Quran...
Your diminutive insight of its contents with your usual cutting edge is hardly the standard by which we measure our scriptures ...

BTW.. for what it is worth I can make your head spin with embryology and anatomy as we have done with molecular biology and genetics on the other thread... but I have lost interest.. I don't find you a challenging contender.. just unstable without honorable debate ethics!

I'll leave this to my brothers and sisters on the forum who appreciate a good psychological challenge... I lose interest when we replace honest exchange for condescension



peace!

 

[- Qatada -]

if you're going to show the so called science in the qu'ran, why don't you show the verses that say the sun revolves around the earth? lol.

Or how about the advanced west today who uses the terms 'sunset' and 'sunrise' i never knew we believed that scientifically, so why do people use it? It's because its a figure of speech, thats exactly the same in the arabic language.



Regards.

 

[mariam.]

if you're going to show the so called science in the qu'ran, why don't you show the verses that say the sun revolves around the earth? lol.

please can you quote this verses that you talking about .. In spite of I think that brother Fi_Sabilillah answer you clearly.

 

[mariam.]

"He merges Night into Day, and He merges Day into Night, and He has subjected the sun and the moon (to His Law): each one runs its course for a term appointed. Such is Allah your Lord: to Him belongs all Dominion. And those whom ye invoke besides Him have not a straw."

"And the Sun runs unto a resting place: that is the decree of (Him), the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing."

If you mean this verses .. I want to ask you have you ever hear about solar apex?

These facts communicated in the Qur'an have been discovered by astronomical observations in our age. According to the calculations of experts on astronomy, the Sun is traveling at the enormous speed of 720,000 kilometers an hour in the direction of the star Vega in a particular orbit called the Solar Apex. This means that the sun travels roughly 17,280,000 kilometers a day. Along with the Sun, and all planets and satellites within the gravitational system of the Sun also travel the same distance. In addition, all the stars in the universe are in a similar planned motion.

take care of yourself

 

[ranma1/2]

That issued from between the loins and ribs.


loin
.....the upper and lower abdominal regions and the region about the hips b (1) : the pubic region
Wow that could not at all have been known at the time.. oh woe is me....
Hmm. well at least with this translation it doesnt sound as horribly wrong.. Im curiouys do you only use pickthal or do you use other translations as they suit?

Still even then it is wrong in that its getting super broad.... It would be much more accurate to say its produced in within the pelvis. but nooo. it has to be between the loin and the rib... Come on this doesnt help your case one bit. Noe what do you say to the person that posted their translation? Are they just ignorant for not using your version?

or do you wish to turn this into a (cut/paste and run) before I have to account for my blather sort of debate like you have done on your evolution thread?
more accusations... sigh.. i explained myself in those threads and you never answered my questions. You just insult as you have hear too..

If you have strong evidence as to how the Quran was copied from other sources, then please prove it... here is a cyber copy http://www.al-islam.org/quran/with three different translations
And we have a wonderful refutation section right here on the forum for you to spew hate to your heart's content!
Hate? Your the one being rude and spewing insults.

....
The creation of man is discussed all throughout the Quran...
Yes and its wrong many many times...
Your diminutive insight of its contents with your usual cutting edge is hardly the standard by which we measure our scriptures ...
See more childish insults.. is it no wonder why i just started to ignore you in the evo thread? If you cant attack the facts you attack the person. You make fun of their grammar and spelling oh my... he spelt a word wrong...

BTW.. for what it is worth I can make your head spin with embryology and anatomy as we have done with molecular biology and genetics on the other thread...
and make false claims.. You seem to think if you use what you think are fancy words to try to out vocab someone you will win. You have yet to make your point clear instead you try to confuse and deceive.
but I have lost interest..
yay...

I don't find you a challenging contender.. just unstable without honorable debate ethics!
Sigh... well we know what your debate ethics are.. Insult, ignore facts, lie, insult and repeat...
I'll leave this to my brothers and sisters on the forum who appreciate a good psychological challenge... I lose interest when we replace honest exchange for condescension

Thank goodness. I know that they can be civil and polite.

peace!

So now that this individual is gone with his/her insults we can hopefully continue with civility and no more childish insults.

 

[mariam.]

Yes and its wrong many many times...

:exhausted ....!!

why you are opinionative? .. please quote this verses that you talking about.

 

[جوري]

I think anyone who has some entry level education and ethics can tell the difference between a quality post and well --yours. The Questions on evolution are actually still open and unanswered by your person.

I read the Quran in Arabic, and have actually provided you three transliteration to pick and choose what you desire, it will not derange the original Arabic text which is spoken during prayer by 1.8 billion Muslims, from Arabia to china to Australia. should you wish to bring forth questions as to its contents, then please do so.
Any translation isn't remotely close to the original semetic Arabic text, but the translators have given it their best. Makes your desired interpretation seem very insignificant in the scheme of things!

If you mistake research I have done for "fancy words" and "childish insults" that is your problem not mine--I suggest you re-evaluate why you are posting here. And be more read before you respond instead of referencing people to pages whose contents you cannot extract or distill down to answer simple questions.

If again you are finding something wrong in the Quran --"many many" times isn't the appropriate assertion, would probably give you an (F) if you were to answer so on an exam question. Bring out what is questionable to you and start an honest debate.

I know you don't know the first thing about the Quran, just like you don't know the first thing about Mutation from your evolution thread. As you presented us with the usual cut and paste we are accustomed to seeing.
Search the forum and you'll see a repeated account of what you have posted here. Which have all been refuted. Seems every Islamophobe frequents the same sites for the same quotes out of context. I don't find that a measure of free thought. But a measure as of hate and closed mindedness.

-- I hope you train vigorously under someone before you start teaching, if that is indeed what you plan to do, I have my doubts just from the level of which you present yourself! but if you are I hope he/she would take your ethics, knowledge, people skill and tolerance to the very least an acceptable level.
There is nothing further that I wish to impart to your person.

peace!