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As i say, he broke some law of islam.
The Taliban kill to cause chaos. If there is Chaos tehn democracy will fail, and they can get back to the happy-beatings of the 90's without all this "Human rights " stuff the shallow westerners moan on about, not realising its Gods will.
The Taliban kill to cause chaos. If there is Chaos tehn democracy will fail, and they can get back to the happy-beatings of the 90's without all this "Human rights " stuff the shallow westerners moan on about, not realising its Gods will.
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Oh the Taliban will be back.They may be hopeless fighters , but they have no shortage of forign recruits.
I was watching a Taliban propaganda vidio on the news a few days back. Of them shooting up some civilian cars of course. The Guy with the PK GPMG was holding the stock on the top of his shoulder and the guy with the RPG made the sensible decision to fire it at a target about 8 yards away.
If they werent such a disgrace to Islam, they would be funny.
I was watching a Taliban propaganda vidio on the news a few days back. Of them shooting up some civilian cars of course. The Guy with the PK GPMG was holding the stock on the top of his shoulder and the guy with the RPG made the sensible decision to fire it at a target about 8 yards away.
If they werent such a disgrace to Islam, they would be funny.
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the whole issue of afghanistan has me in conflict
1. i completely dissagree with the war...yet ...
2. my brother is currently serving there with the british army.
i pray for all muslims and also for my non-muslim family,
and personally dont really know how i should be looking at this situation...
of course i wish my brother to be safe away from harms way.. but at the same time.. there is no justice to the numbers of innocent muslims losing their lives during these conflicts...
i find this rather a complicated issue to deal with.
My brother had also served 6 months in iraq, .. when i had told him i had converted to islam.. he was very supportive and told me the majority of muslims he had gotten to know during his time in iraq had been very friendly and he had gotten some knowledge about muslims and islam and fully supported me in my decision... i just feel i cant offer the same support back...
i guess im still very new as a convert and inshaAllah i hope in future times i will be able to deal with issues like these with more knowledge...
Peace and Blessings
Ayesha...
the whole issue of afghanistan has me in conflict
1. i completely dissagree with the war...yet ...
2. my brother is currently serving there with the british army.
i pray for all muslims and also for my non-muslim family,
and personally dont really know how i should be looking at this situation...
of course i wish my brother to be safe away from harms way.. but at the same time.. there is no justice to the numbers of innocent muslims losing their lives during these conflicts...
i find this rather a complicated issue to deal with.
My brother had also served 6 months in iraq, .. when i had told him i had converted to islam.. he was very supportive and told me the majority of muslims he had gotten to know during his time in iraq had been very friendly and he had gotten some knowledge about muslims and islam and fully supported me in my decision... i just feel i cant offer the same support back...
i guess im still very new as a convert and inshaAllah i hope in future times i will be able to deal with issues like these with more knowledge...
Peace and Blessings
Ayesha...
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The question you should ask yourself is whether you buy into the proposition that all people calling themselves Muslims deserve your respect regardless of their actions. As I'm sure you know, the majority of Muslims who have died in Iraq were and are killed by fellow Muslims. The same is true for Afghanistan.
Regardless of the conspiracy theories, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan aren't about "West vs. Islam". It is very far from being that simple.
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But the conspiracy theories have pretty much taken a grip as fact in most muslim nations.Theyre pretty strong in western countries muslim populations.
30% of UK Muslims beleive the US was in some way behind 9/11.
Perhaps though it is a cultural thing. Countries living outside freedom and democracy, egged on by their dictators to divert their anger without instead of within, towards the "ancient enemy". If you look at most Westaphobic propaganda, we are called Cross worshipers. It's a easy sell for the uneducated or those ignorant of western life. The War On Terror (TM) is packaged by the Jihadists as A New Crusade (TM).
Anyone living in the west knows that Europe and America and Japan and any first world nation no longer gives a flying fig for religion. The label of "Cross worshiper" kinda ran out of steam a long time ago. The west far from wanting to destroy Islam, neither knew nor cared about islam until one morning in september 2001. Despite the constant and unrelenting pressure of western politicians straining the resassurances that Islam is a religion of peace, the Jihadists blow those claims quite literally (in the case of USS Cole) out of the water.
The Real Crusades were a long time ago. The Hospitilar's are now just a small medical organisation in Ireland, The Templers are just a group of old blokes doing some charity work for the needy. Acre's streets are not being filled with blood in the name of Christ.
We really, really have forgotton about religion, and dont care about anyone elses....it's all very quaint. We forgive you for Constantinople, you forgive us for recapturing Spain.
The average joe on the streets of the west has a empty space as regards Islam. They neither know about it or care about it and they certainly dont seek it's destruction.
Unfortunatly, as time passes by, the continued blasting apart of nightclubs, support for the freakish nutjobs of the taliban and chopping off the heads of gays or threats to flog the skin off Teachers who misname teddybears, all of this leaves a nasty impression.
Sites like LI try to redress this balance. But this website isnt enough. If anything is to stop this , the Ummah must recognise the enemy. And the enemy is within themselves.:-\
Britain's Afghan mission is a fruitless and failing pursuit
Wednesday December 12, 2007
The Guardian
This week Musa Qala was attacked with B52s before the Americans and British entered what was left of the town. Who knows how many civilians have died? As the Americans found with Falluja in Iraq, there is no way you can "conquer" an urban settlement unless you intend to colonise it for ever. You can only stun it into temporary submission and long-term antipathy. There is no military solution in Afghanistan, not even a military start to a solution. Can Brown not see this?
The six-year western operation in Afghanistan has all but failed in its goal of stamping out lawlessness and turning the country into a stable pro-western democracy. Western agencies can, falteringly, build roads, bridges and schools, but they cannot sustain them without central order. That this does not exist is evident in the restrictions on westerners moving outside the capital.
In Afghanistan there is no realistic mission, no achievable objective, no long-term strategy, only the fruitless pursuit of failure.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2226004,00.html
Wednesday December 12, 2007
The Guardian
This week Musa Qala was attacked with B52s before the Americans and British entered what was left of the town. Who knows how many civilians have died? As the Americans found with Falluja in Iraq, there is no way you can "conquer" an urban settlement unless you intend to colonise it for ever. You can only stun it into temporary submission and long-term antipathy. There is no military solution in Afghanistan, not even a military start to a solution. Can Brown not see this?
The six-year western operation in Afghanistan has all but failed in its goal of stamping out lawlessness and turning the country into a stable pro-western democracy. Western agencies can, falteringly, build roads, bridges and schools, but they cannot sustain them without central order. That this does not exist is evident in the restrictions on westerners moving outside the capital.
In Afghanistan there is no realistic mission, no achievable objective, no long-term strategy, only the fruitless pursuit of failure.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/story/0,,2226004,00.html
Brown: 'It's time to talk to the Taliban'
Independent. UK
Published: 12 December 2007
As the deadliest year in Afghanistan since the US-led invasion in 2001 comes to a close, Gordon Brown is ready to talk to the Taliban in a major shift in strategy that is likely to cause consternation among hardliners in the White House.
Six years after British troops were first deployed to oust the Taliban regime, the Prime Minister believes the time has come to open a dialogue in the hope of moving from military action to consensus-building among the tribal leaders. Since 1 January, more than 6,200 people have been killed in violence related to the insurgency, including 40 British soldiers. In total, 86 British troops have died.
The dialogue strategy is the latest attempt by Mr Brown to distance himself from the military legacy of the Blair era and the hardline instincts of President George Bush.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article3244696.ece
Taliban can lose battles but still win war
Telegraph. UK
12/12/2007
This afternoon Gordon Brown will acknowledge a truth now widely agreed in Kabul's diplomatic community: that a new approach is required to get Afghanistan back on its feet.
The Taliban is less inclined to fight Nato troops head-on - but they are not fighting to win. Their strategy is to exhaust the political will of the international community.
Western commanders acknowledge that 50,000 foreign troops are wholly inadequate to cover the whole country. Nato, meanwhile, is finding that its efforts to chase down the Taliban seriously undermine its popularity. Central government has never had much writ in provinces such as Helmand, and the credibility of the Afghan government has been further degraded by spiralling levels of corruption.
British troops look too much like foreign invaders in the Afghan south, where people still remember the three Afghan Wars and imagine that Britain is seeking revenge for past defeats.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...GAVCBQWIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/12/12/do1207.xml
Independent. UK
Published: 12 December 2007
As the deadliest year in Afghanistan since the US-led invasion in 2001 comes to a close, Gordon Brown is ready to talk to the Taliban in a major shift in strategy that is likely to cause consternation among hardliners in the White House.
Six years after British troops were first deployed to oust the Taliban regime, the Prime Minister believes the time has come to open a dialogue in the hope of moving from military action to consensus-building among the tribal leaders. Since 1 January, more than 6,200 people have been killed in violence related to the insurgency, including 40 British soldiers. In total, 86 British troops have died.
The dialogue strategy is the latest attempt by Mr Brown to distance himself from the military legacy of the Blair era and the hardline instincts of President George Bush.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/article3244696.ece
Taliban can lose battles but still win war
Telegraph. UK
12/12/2007
This afternoon Gordon Brown will acknowledge a truth now widely agreed in Kabul's diplomatic community: that a new approach is required to get Afghanistan back on its feet.
The Taliban is less inclined to fight Nato troops head-on - but they are not fighting to win. Their strategy is to exhaust the political will of the international community.
Western commanders acknowledge that 50,000 foreign troops are wholly inadequate to cover the whole country. Nato, meanwhile, is finding that its efforts to chase down the Taliban seriously undermine its popularity. Central government has never had much writ in provinces such as Helmand, and the credibility of the Afghan government has been further degraded by spiralling levels of corruption.
British troops look too much like foreign invaders in the Afghan south, where people still remember the three Afghan Wars and imagine that Britain is seeking revenge for past defeats.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...GAVCBQWIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/12/12/do1207.xml
Over 50 Taliban killed in 2-day battle
By NOOR KHAN, Associated Press Writer Wed Dec 12, 5:08 AM ET
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - Afghan soldiers backed by NATO air power killed more than 50 Taliban fighters during a two-day battle with militants who tried to attack a southern Afghan town near the one they were routed from this week, Afghanistan's Defense Ministry said Wednesday.
Afghan soldiers fought the insurgents in Sangin, a town in Helmand province that neighbors Musa Qala, which Taliban fighters had controlled since February before abandoning it this week in the face of an offensive by Afghan, British and U.S. forces.
"When the terrorists were defeated in Musa Qala, they escaped to Sangin and started firing in and around Sangin," the Defense Ministry said.
Among the 50 militants killed were three foreigners and three commanders, the ministry said. It said no civilians were hurt or killed in the operation.
There was no way to independently verify the death toll at the remote battle site, and NATO's International Security Assistance Force does not release casualty figures for militants.
Taliban militants overran Musa Qala in February, four months after British troops left the town following a contentious peace agreement that gave security responsibilities to Afghan elders. U.S. officials criticized the deal as surrendering to the Taliban.
Afghan, British and U.S. forces moved into Musa Qala's center on Tuesday, and Afghan and British officials have vowed to station troops there to prevent it from falling back into Taliban hands. More than two dozen militants were killed during the battle for Musa Qala, as was one British soldier.
Northern Helmand province is the world's largest opium poppy growing region and has seen the heaviest fighting in Afghanistan this year.
Helmand's governor, Asadullah Wafa, said he and a delegation of officials from the Afghan capital, Kabul, would travel to Musa Qala on Thursday to hand out 5,000 tons of aid, including wheat and blankets, to families who fled the fighting and are now starting to return.
"After 11 months the Afghan flag is again flying over the Musa Qala district center," Wafa said.
All of the tribal leaders in Musa Qala now support the government, Wafa said, adding that Afghan police and army soldiers would have a strong presence there.
Though the militants were pushed out of Musa Qala — an important symbolic victory for Afghan and NATO troops — Taliban fighters still control three remote districts in northern Helmand — Washer, Naw Zad and Bagrhan, said Afghan Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Mohammad Zahir Azimi. The Afghan-NATO force will continue operations in those areas, he said.
Meanwhile, a suicide car bomb exploded near an Afghan army convoy in the southern city of Kandahar, killing one person, said the provincial police chief, Sayed Agha Saqib. Two soldiers and four civilians were wounded, he said.
This year has been the deadliest since the U.S.-led invasion in 2001. More than 6,300 people have been killed in insurgency-related violence, according to an Associated Press tally of figures from Western and Afghan officials.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan
By NOOR KHAN, Associated Press Writer Wed Dec 12, 5:08 AM ET
KANDAHAR, Afghanistan - Afghan soldiers backed by NATO air power killed more than 50 Taliban fighters during a two-day battle with militants who tried to attack a southern Afghan town near the one they were routed from this week, Afghanistan's Defense Ministry said Wednesday.
Afghan soldiers fought the insurgents in Sangin, a town in Helmand province that neighbors Musa Qala, which Taliban fighters had controlled since February before abandoning it this week in the face of an offensive by Afghan, British and U.S. forces.
"When the terrorists were defeated in Musa Qala, they escaped to Sangin and started firing in and around Sangin," the Defense Ministry said.
Among the 50 militants killed were three foreigners and three commanders, the ministry said. It said no civilians were hurt or killed in the operation.
There was no way to independently verify the death toll at the remote battle site, and NATO's International Security Assistance Force does not release casualty figures for militants.
Taliban militants overran Musa Qala in February, four months after British troops left the town following a contentious peace agreement that gave security responsibilities to Afghan elders. U.S. officials criticized the deal as surrendering to the Taliban.
Afghan, British and U.S. forces moved into Musa Qala's center on Tuesday, and Afghan and British officials have vowed to station troops there to prevent it from falling back into Taliban hands. More than two dozen militants were killed during the battle for Musa Qala, as was one British soldier.
Northern Helmand province is the world's largest opium poppy growing region and has seen the heaviest fighting in Afghanistan this year.
Helmand's governor, Asadullah Wafa, said he and a delegation of officials from the Afghan capital, Kabul, would travel to Musa Qala on Thursday to hand out 5,000 tons of aid, including wheat and blankets, to families who fled the fighting and are now starting to return.
"After 11 months the Afghan flag is again flying over the Musa Qala district center," Wafa said.
All of the tribal leaders in Musa Qala now support the government, Wafa said, adding that Afghan police and army soldiers would have a strong presence there.
Though the militants were pushed out of Musa Qala — an important symbolic victory for Afghan and NATO troops — Taliban fighters still control three remote districts in northern Helmand — Washer, Naw Zad and Bagrhan, said Afghan Defense Ministry spokesman Gen. Mohammad Zahir Azimi. The Afghan-NATO force will continue operations in those areas, he said.
Meanwhile, a suicide car bomb exploded near an Afghan army convoy in the southern city of Kandahar, killing one person, said the provincial police chief, Sayed Agha Saqib. Two soldiers and four civilians were wounded, he said.
This year has been the deadliest since the U.S.-led invasion in 2001. More than 6,300 people have been killed in insurgency-related violence, according to an Associated Press tally of figures from Western and Afghan officials.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_re_as/afghanistan
this is an opinion article, so who cares what this idiot has to say?
as for the other two articles, Gordon Brown is a just a wuss who is afraid to fight. The was in Afghanistan has thus far not been a great success other than driving the Taliban out of the government, but then again there is only 50,000 troops in Afghanistan right now... Do you really think this is a serious military effort being put forth right now? And the Taliban cant even beat these guys, they have had 6 years and are still dying in high numbers, I say let them keep dying and once troops start leaving Iraq put them in Afghanistan, put 150,000 troops and afghanistan and see how the Taliban do then. I really cant wait until a real military campaign is carried out on these back woods 5th century idiots, their blood is the blood that harbors OBL and that blood is the blood that will satisfy the thirst for vengence. 
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If Mushareff starts to push the Taliban out of their Pakistani safehavens, which doesn't seem likely, then the Taliban could become a memory. The problem is that they are free to operate inside Pakistan and certain areas of Helmund with impunity. The American presence there is small, made up mostly of infrastructure engineers and non-combat personel. The job was given to the British and the Canadians for the most part...and sadly they don't seem to be interested in sticking to the gameplan.
Brown lays out Afghanistan policy
Wed Dec 12, 7:47 AM ET
LONDON - British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Wednesday that former insurgent fighters in Afghanistan can win a role in the country's future if they renounce violence.
Brown told lawmakers that Britain would support work by Afghan President Hamid Karzai to bring those who have previously targeted international forces into mainstream politics.
"If they are prepared to renounce violence and abide by the constitution and respect basic human rights then there is a place for them," Brown said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_re_eu/britain_afghanistan
I think this was posted earlier but I felt the earlier post was serving an agenda. I think this is pretty clear cut, Gordon Brown is basically give up fighting against us and you can be forgiven. Not that I see the Taliban actually giving up, but at least Mr. Brown is offering them a chance
Wed Dec 12, 7:47 AM ET
LONDON - British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said Wednesday that former insurgent fighters in Afghanistan can win a role in the country's future if they renounce violence.
Brown told lawmakers that Britain would support work by Afghan President Hamid Karzai to bring those who have previously targeted international forces into mainstream politics.
"If they are prepared to renounce violence and abide by the constitution and respect basic human rights then there is a place for them," Brown said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071212/ap_on_re_eu/britain_afghanistan
I think this was posted earlier but I felt the earlier post was serving an agenda. I think this is pretty clear cut, Gordon Brown is basically give up fighting against us and you can be forgiven. Not that I see the Taliban actually giving up, but at least Mr. Brown is offering them a chance
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Article from the NY Times on Afghanistan. Just FYI -
Full Link - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/world/asia/12afghan.html?hp
December 12, 2007
On Taliban Turf, Long Lines of Ailing Children
By C. J. CHIVERS
KARAWADDIN, Afghanistan — The Afghan boy crouched near a wall in this remote village, where the Taliban’s strength has prevented the government from providing services. His eyes were coated by an opaque yellow sheath.
Sgt. Nick Graham, an American Army medic, approached. The villagers crowded around. They said the boy’s name was Hayatullah. He was 10 years old and developed the eye disease six years ago. “Can you help him?” a man asked.
Sergeant Graham examined the boy. He was blind. There was nothing the medic could do.
A second man appeared, pushing a wheelbarrow that held a hunched child with purplish lips and twisted feet, problems associated with severe congenital heart disease. Sergeant Graham listened to his heart. Without surgery, he said, this stunted boy would probably die.
A third man turned the corner from an alley, leading a girl, Baratbibi, by the arm. She was 7 years old. She turned her ruined eyes toward the afternoon sun without blinking. They were more heavily coated than Hayatullah’s. Sergeant Graham sighed.
“We could use an entire hospital here,” he said.
Throughout early December a company of paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division patrolled the Nawa District of Ghazni Province, an isolated region near Pakistan where the Taliban operate with confidence and the Afghan government’s presence is almost nonexistent.
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Full Link - http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/12/world/asia/12afghan.html?hp
December 12, 2007
On Taliban Turf, Long Lines of Ailing Children
By C. J. CHIVERS
KARAWADDIN, Afghanistan — The Afghan boy crouched near a wall in this remote village, where the Taliban’s strength has prevented the government from providing services. His eyes were coated by an opaque yellow sheath.
Sgt. Nick Graham, an American Army medic, approached. The villagers crowded around. They said the boy’s name was Hayatullah. He was 10 years old and developed the eye disease six years ago. “Can you help him?” a man asked.
Sergeant Graham examined the boy. He was blind. There was nothing the medic could do.
A second man appeared, pushing a wheelbarrow that held a hunched child with purplish lips and twisted feet, problems associated with severe congenital heart disease. Sergeant Graham listened to his heart. Without surgery, he said, this stunted boy would probably die.
A third man turned the corner from an alley, leading a girl, Baratbibi, by the arm. She was 7 years old. She turned her ruined eyes toward the afternoon sun without blinking. They were more heavily coated than Hayatullah’s. Sergeant Graham sighed.
“We could use an entire hospital here,” he said.
Throughout early December a company of paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division patrolled the Nawa District of Ghazni Province, an isolated region near Pakistan where the Taliban operate with confidence and the Afghan government’s presence is almost nonexistent.
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good article, thanks for the post
Why not, if you are so sure of winning the war
that doesnt even make sense
That was your claim, not mine
Where did you learn that increase in the number of troops becomes a surety for success
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