No dancing in public: Dubai

[جوري]

I haven't done anything wrong, just because I've come on here and am a non-Muslim that doesn't mean I expect to get spoken to rudely. There's no reason why mistakes can't be explained politely, it's got nothing to do with religion or race, I'd say the same to someone on the forum about budgies I'm also a member of.

Members here are allowed to express themselves in the way they please..try to refresh your memory on the amendments that you so love to refer to when making vile comics.. No one is under any obligation to handle you with kid gloves to spare your feeling, given that you have granted no one the same courtesy, I think the majority of Muslims here are about fed up with you!

Describing Kaafir as filth?

Indeed I find kufr to equate to filth!

all the best

 

[Skavau]

Members here are allowed to express themselves in the way they please..

No they aren't. This forum has rules.

No one is under any obligation to handle you with kid gloves to spare your feeling, given that you have granted no one the same courtesy, I think the majority of Muslims here are about fed up with you!

You attempt at trying to push almost every non-muslim on this forum from it is as usual, noted. No-one is demanding "kid gloves" for anything on here - merely they are pointing out some of the things that other people are saying on here.

There are guidelines at conversation that exist on here. They are (usually) enforced from my observation and Non-Muslims are allowed, within those guidelines to debate and discuss civilly - and that includes criticism of other members on here, muslim or otherwise.

 

[LauraS]

Members here are allowed to express themselves in the way they please..try to refresh your memory on the amendments that you so love to refer to when making vile comics.. No one is under any obligation to handle you with kid gloves to spare your feeling, given that you have granted no one the same courtesy, I think the majority of Muslims here are about fed up with you!


Indeed I find kufr to equate to filth!

all the best

I have not spoken to anybody to way some members have on this thread. Of course people are allowed to express themselves but you should at least try to do it with some manners. Imagine if I called Muslims filth (which I certainly wouldn't)? There'd be an outcry, it would be considered a racist comment. I and the other non Muslims are not filth and I think if I made a complaint to the forum admins about that comment it wouldn't be you they'd side with.

I said I came on this forum for debate because obviously Islam is a big subject in the press at the moment, I want to speak to Muslims about it and hear what they have to say about some of the issues. If you aren't mature enough to handle a debate without getting defensive thinking I'm spouting anti-Islam nonsense, that's not my problem.

 

[Ramadhan]

Describing Kaafir as filth?

They are unclean

 

[Ramadhan]

That is funny.. what do you want to do in the holy-land? It isn't a tourist spot.. I know of Muslims on a five year waiting list to make the last ritual and others saving for 20+ yrs.. why should a kaffir be allowed there? furthermore why would you want to go there-- when it is strictly for completing the last religious rite?

Indeed, in the province where my mum lives, the waiting list for hajj is actually 5 years, and my mum's old maid (my nanny when I was a baby) had to save money for 20+ years before she was able to go to Makkah-Madinah.

Thanks God that there are at least two spots in this universe safe from filth!

And from hadith, we know that angels guard the gates of Makkah and Madinah and even dajjal (al dajjal al maseeh - the anti christ) will not be able to enter.

 

[Predator]

I can't tell if that road sign is a joke or for real.

Saudi officials have arrested a man in Mecca for being a Christian, saying that the city, which Muslims consider to be holy, is off-limits to non-Muslims.

Nirosh Kamanda, a Sri Lankan Christian, was detained by the Saudi Expatriates Monitoring Committee last week after he started to sell goods outside Mecca's Great Mosque.

After running his fingerprints through a new security system, Saudi police discovered that he was a Christian who had arrived in the country six months earlier to take a job as a truck driver in the city of Dammam. Kamanda had subsequently left his place of work and moved to Mecca.

"The Grand Mosque and the holy city are forbidden to non-Muslims," Col. Suhail Matrafi, head of the department of Expatriates Affairs in Mecca, told the Saudi daily Arab News. "The new fingerprints system is very helpful and will help us a lot to discover the identity of a lot of criminals," he said.

Similar restrictions apply to the Saudi city of Medina. In a section entitled, "Traveler's Information," the Web site of the Saudi Embassy in Washington states that, "Mecca and Medina hold special religious significance and only persons of the Islamic faith are allowed entry."

Highway signs at the entrance to Mecca also direct non-Muslims away from the city's environs.


http://eye-on-the-world.blogspot.com/2007/05/saudis-arrest-christian-for-entering.html


Travel Through Saudi Arabia on a Harley-Davidson
By Peter & Kay Forwood

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/forwood/saudiar2.shtml

26/1/06 -We headed towards Medina, the town from where Muhammad conquered all of Arabia, and is now a Holy City. As such non Muslims are not permitted to enter, as with Mecca, and they must avoid the town by driving around the town along the signposted, "Road for Non Muslims"

 

[جوري]

No they aren't. This forum has rules.

Yes they are, I haven't written you Laura are filthy, you skavu is filthy .. I said Kuffr equates to filth.

You attempt at trying to push almost every non-muslim on this forum from it is as usual, noted. No-one is demanding "kid gloves" for anything on here - merely they are pointing out some of the things that other people are saying on here.

Please, go chime in agreement with someone somewhere else.. and again as stated if you don't like it here don't be a member here.. You haven't contributed anything to Islam or Muslims or the community, a discourse with you is often in vain in fact we are warned against that in Islam. This forum is meant to propagate Islam and dispel or clarify misconceptions from historical accounts, other than that, no one is under any obligation to be 'nice' to you, although admittedly I find that slightly amusing considering.. a double blind hypocrisy doesn't nullify itself!

There are guidelines at conversation that exist on here. They are (usually) enforced from my observation and Non-Muslims are allowed, within those guidelines to debate and discuss civilly - and that includes criticism of other members on here, muslim or otherwise.

See above!

I have not spoken to anybody to way some members have on this thread. Of course people are allowed to express themselves but you should at least try to do it with some manners. Imagine if I called Muslims filth (which I certainly wouldn't)? There'd be an outcry, it would be considered a racist comment. I and the other non Muslims are not filth and I think if I made a complaint to the forum admins about that comment it wouldn't be you they'd side with.

I have already stated what you think or don't think is inconsequential -- you are allowed your thoughts!

I said I came on this forum for debate because obviously Islam is a big subject in the press at the moment, I want to speak to Muslims about it and hear what they have to say about some of the issues. If you aren't mature enough to handle a debate without getting defensive thinking I'm spouting anti-Islam nonsense, that's not my problem.

? Muslims run the gamut, as stated we are not here conform to a particular style that appeals to you, if you don't like the responses given here, it isn't lack of maturity on the members parts, rather your own perception -- I find your approach and style sophomoric in general as even after repeated replies you pose the same nonsense hoping for a response that caters to your own values.. how funny are you?

 

[joedawun]

Oh-- so this :
wasn't meant in a derogatory fashion -- ignorant and pompous and you have the nerve to comment? In fact you should carry that thought through, because I have absolutely no desire to correct or expend much time on why you view Muslims the way you do!.. I genuinely couldn't give a ****.. and if I did then logic would dictate that I'd not be on a Muslim forum doing so!
As I have said before, if you don't like it here, don't be a member here.. that goes for the other fellow too-- in fact I think you've incommoded your hosts, you'd not last a day on another forum!
all the best

No worries, my view of Muslims and Islam are not negatively affected by you. I can see the forest for the trees, and every forest has sick and diseased trees.


All the best right back to you...

 

[waji]

And you are also unclean as well
( Quran 9:28).
"Oh you who believe! Truly the idolaters are unclean; so let them not, after this year, approach the Sacred Mosque...."
You will only end up in this road of non-muslims

This ayat says about Masjid
and i think non muslims are allowed to enter Makkah and Madina
But Saudi Arab has the right to restrict any one from entering the cities
even Muslims
and People are talking about Dubai
Here is more shocking news

 

[جوري]

Indeed, in the province where my mum lives, the waiting list for hajj is actually 5 years, and my mum's old maid (my nanny when I was a baby) had to save money for 20+ years before she was able to go to Makkah-Madinah.

That is why the fifth and last rite is stated to whomever can afford it and find a way.. and these morons want to turn it into a tourist spot? I have seen some vile images where they turn mecca into a hooters/ race car track destination.. in fact what other reason could they possibly have for wanting to be there.. why should Muslims struggle to get there for a religious purpose while these imbeciles feel that they imbeciles are allowed to go in as to 'not be discriminated against' if they desire to see Mosques or how Muslims pray then there is a zillion mosque open to them, if they weren't too busy passing laws to ban Mosques and minarets while having an outcry as to why they can't go to those two!

And from hadith, we know that angels guard the gates of Makkah and Madinah and even dajjal (al dajjal al maseeh - the anti christ) will not be able to enter.

Al7mdlillah..

 

[LauraS]

You fail to see my point that it's not about the arguments themselves, it's about being able to speak in a polite and sensible manner, not just turning to insults because you disagree with what someone says. If everyone was typing the way you are then the board would be a warzone, thankfully I have found other people on the forum who are quite happy to discuss things in a calm manner and don't seem to mind me asking questions. So no thank you, I think I'll stay.

 

[Ramadhan]

Here is more shocking news

That IS truly shocking, I am flabbergasted!

 

[جوري]

No worries, my view of Muslims and Islam are not negatively affected by you. I can see the forest for the trees, and every forest has sick and diseased trees.


All the best right back to you...

I have no worries as far as you are concerned and again it is inconsequential how you 'view the forest or the trees' when you can't bother to acknowledge that a statement made in error was also insulting to another member -- please take that grandiosity scheme down a few notches or take it to your health-care provider we are not here to nurse your ego back to good health!

all the best

 

[جوري]

You fail to see my point that it's not about the arguments themselves, it's about being able to speak in a polite and sensible manner, not just turning to insults because you disagree with what someone says. If everyone was typing the way you are then the board would be a warzone, thankfully I have found other people on the forum who are quite happy to discuss things in a calm manner and don't seem to mind me asking questions. So no thank you, I think I'll stay.

I don't see anyone making a directed reply to you on this thread 'polite of otherwise'-- in fact you saw fit to insinuate yourself in agreement with another on the account that you don't have enough moxie to speak your own mind.. it is actually called cowardliness and not a trait to be applauded..

get over yourself!

all the best

 

[Supreme]

I cannot believe how one member's lack of understanding of one of my posts has managed to degenerate this thread into meaningless, unrelated spam!

 

[جوري]

so strange how a thread about dancing in Dubai took a turn Mecca to Medina to coaxing these kaffirs who on another thread are defending with every last cell in their body the right to Insult the prophet..

sob7an Allah.. what a strange world..

 

[جوري]

I cannot believe how one member's lack of understanding of one of my posts has managed to degenerate this thread into meaningless, unrelated spam!

Actually you are the only one who misunderstood what you have written!
either way Egypt/Alexandria or the two holy sites have nothing to do with Dubai or dancing so the spam goes back to page 1!

all the best

 

[Predator]

This ayat says about Masjid
and i think non muslims are allowed to enter Makkah and Madina
But Saudi Arab has the right to restrict any one from entering the cities
even Muslims

Banning Non-Muslims from entering the the whole city Makkah and Madinah was the right thing to do . They are plenty of other holy places in both cities like Mount Hira , Mount Uhud , Muna ,Arafat Qubaa Mosque , Qiblatain Mosque , Meeqat Mosque , etc .

Long ago , The late Sheikh Ahmed deedat invited Evangelist Jimmy Swaggart for a lecture in the city of Makkah and Saudi government approved it . But as usual , that spineless coward who had slept with *****s just backed off saying "it was a setup" .

 

[Ramadhan]

Banning Non-Muslims from entering the the whole city Makkah and Madinah was the right thing to do . They are plenty of other holy places in both cities like Mount Hira , Mount Uhud , Muna ,Arafat Qubaa Mosque , Qiblatain Mosque , Meeqat Mosque , etc .

Also, there is no way you can supervise and ensure that non-muslims do not "approach" the two mosques if they are not totally banned from entering the two cities.

As it turns out, this ban also fulfills the prophecy of the hadith which says that Dajjal will not be able to enter the two cities because a pair of angels will guard the seven gates of the cities.

 

[waji]

Banning Non-Muslims from entering the the whole city Makkah and Madinah was the right thing to do . They are plenty of other holy places in both cities like Mount Hira , Mount Uhud , Muna ,Arafat Qubaa Mosque , Qiblatain Mosque , Meeqat Mosque , etc .

Long ago , The late Sheikh Ahmed deedat invited Evangelist Jimmy Swaggart for a lecture in the city of Makkah and Saudi government approved it . But as usual , that spineless coward who just sleeps with *****s just backed off saying "it was a setup" .

Again Are we following Quran ??

Ayat speaks about Masjid not about any other holy places
and Masjid ul Haram is only one in the world
its name speaks it self Haram حرام for Non Believers