'No God' slogans for London city's buses

[Al-Zaara]

Religion claims to be absolute truth, atheism does not and that's the whole point to having "Probably" in the campaign, like science, nothing is absolute.
http://www.justgiving.com/atheistbus

Really? Atheism doesn't absolutely claim there is not a God, which is an absolute "truth"?

I'm confused, I thought the "probably" part belongs to Agnosticism. Though, lately been hearin' about "weak" or "strong" atheism, maybe the "probably" part belongs to the "weaker" atheism? Do you understand? I only wish to learn, maybe there are good links?

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Thisis utter nonsense....it wouuldd be more productive to spend your money where it's needed! At least you'd be saving a life...subhanAllah.

 

[KAding]

What a waste of money. It achieves nothing at all, it is just pathetic. Hopefully what was mentioned earlier proves true and it makes people remember and draw closer to God.

Is it any more pathetic than religious advertising?

In fact, why do you think it is 'pathetic' to advertise in the first place?

 

[KAding]

Thisis utter nonsense....it wouuldd be more productive to spend your money where it's needed! At least you'd be saving a life...subhanAllah.

Well said, all this time and money spent debating religion (or in fact practicing it) could be much better spend feeding Ethiopians! Why have debates on whether you can pick your nose during Ramadan if you can be productive instead? :thankyou:

 

[Muezzin]

Well said, all this time and money spent debating religion (or in fact practicing it) could be much better spend feeding Ethiopians! Why have debates on whether you can pick your nose during Ramadan if you can be productive instead? :thankyou:

Strawmen belong in fields

We're talking about advertising on a bus. Personally, I think even 'religious' advertising is a waste of money. Unless of course there is a contact number like that 'Islam bus'. If these adverts include clear, large contact details to promote discussion, I wouldn't consider them a waste of money.

If all they're saying is 'Hey, I'm going to attempt to ram my philosophy down your throat, because I am a petty, tit-for-tat kind of banner, have a nice day!', I'd say that is a waste of money.

 

[KAding]

Strawmen belong in fields

Hehe, fair enough, I apologize.

We're talking about advertising on a bus. Personally, I think even 'religious' advertising is a waste of money. Unless of course there is a contact number like that 'Islam bus'. If these adverts include clear, large contact details to promote discussion, I wouldn't consider them a waste of money.

If all they're saying is 'Hey, I'm going to attempt to ram my philosophy down your throat, because I am a petty, tit-for-tat kind of banner, have a nice day!', I'd say that is a waste of money.

I just think it's a bit rich that religious people (who excel at preaching generally) criticize this as "pathetic". Is it "pathetic" to do da'wa?

 

[Pk_#2]

Hehe, fair enough, I apologize.



I just think it's a bit rich that religious people (who excel at preaching generally) criticize this as "pathetic". Is it "pathetic" to do da'wa?

That's not da'wah man, we don't sell our religion. And we definately don't stik 'Islam' on a bus. Wa the heck, I int religious ...but even I know that THIS is not da'wah...

We dun need a bus to tell people that Islaam is the truth,

Truth stands out clear from Error/Falsehood (Al-Qur'an) =)

 

[Muezzin]

Hehe, fair enough, I apologize.

It's quite all right.

I just think it's a bit rich that religious people (who excel at preaching generally) criticize this as "pathetic". Is it "pathetic" to do da'wa?

If said da'wa is on a bus, with no visible contact details, I'd call it useless. 'Pathetic' is not the word I'd use, for religious or atheistic advertising, or commercials in general. They either serve their purpose or they don't. In the case of advertising a philosophy, I consider it a bit of a blunder if all it does is communicate the existence of that philosophy, with no further means of contact etc.

But hey, the only sort of viral marketing I like is for movies. Now to see what that 'banned' Saw V bus poster looks like...

 

[KAding]

That's not da'wah man, we don't sell our religion.

I disagree, thats exactly what many religions do. They try to spread/sell their message. Religions aren't much different from, say, politicians on this matter.

And we definately don't stik 'Islam' on a bus.

Define "we", since this certainly looks like 'Islam' being stuck on a bus:

Wa the heck, I int religious ...but even I know that THIS is not da'wah...[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

We dun need a bus to tell people that Islaam is the truth,

Truth stands out clear from Error/Falsehood (Al-Qur'an) =)

Agreed, "the truth is out there", may the most convincing win converts .

 

[Pk_#2]

I disagree, thats exactly what many religions do. They try to spread/sell their message. Religions aren't much different from, say, politicians on this matter.

Mmm Hmm

Define "we", since this certainly looks like 'Islam' being stuck on a bus:
http://i325.photobucket.com/albums/k381/Indiigo_/islambus.jpg?t=1224715146

Oooh how very dare you! *Boycotts google*

I dun do definitions, that's the job of a lexicographer, me? Ima angel (Not the Christmas tree decoration with wings, just the halo..)

Agreed, "the truth is out there", may the most convincing win converts .

Oh that's a good wan mate, Ima use that in future..=P

 

[root]

Really? Atheism doesn't absolutely claim there is not a God, which is an absolute "truth"?

I'm confused, I thought the "probably" part belongs to Agnosticism. Though, lately been hearin' about "weak" or "strong" atheism, maybe the "probably" part belongs to the "weaker" atheism? Do you understand? I only wish to learn, maybe there are good links?

I am not surprised at all, since this is the loophole ALL religions seek to exploit. Next time you drop something on the floor and it fall's to the floor get this.......

"It is probably due to gravity"........

Work it out for yourself, absolute is only employed by religion.....

 

[Hamayun]

^^ You do love quoting gravity don't you? lol.

 

[brotherinfaith]

peace upon those who follow the guidance


i just want to say that anyone is free to believe what they want and '' perhaps no god exists'' was told by the nations before those now and that is not something which will ever offend someone who knows that what he believes is the truth.
and talking about da'wa it's our respobsability as individuals and as a nation to inform people about the truth and preaching is not the only way to do we can do it on busses walls buildings everywhere.what most ignore is that in every moment we live in our life we are performing da'wa to god's religions and truth and as god said '' god guides those he wishes '' and he said ''it's not up to you to guide them but god guides those he wishes '' and our mission is to be witnesses on every individual who will try to find excuses when he meets god.we are here for a mission and a message to convey and we do that in every way and we don't expect any approval from anyone or any praise and we don't care about any critics for sure there will come a day when those who ignore the message of god will be sorry for that and that day will be hard for the muslims who neglected their mission and followed those who chose the wrong way.
you don't have to obey the laws but when you break a law you will be punished and that logic which man uses is the same as god uses as god is the one who created us.
just a brief comment about that slogan western societies are just reacting to their hard experience with the church and deep inside they believe that god and faith is what makes people miserable that's why the slogan perhaps god doesn't exist so enjoy your life.in our religion we didn't learn to obey our of fear but we believed because we knew it's the truth and our prophet taught us to love god before fearing him and we know that our life without god will never have any sense or meaning.

 

[جوري]

militant atheists are good at repeating slogans, actually you can see how zealous works from the entire spectrum when you encounter one of them... bewilders me really why they don't Chanel their choleric remarks where it would be relaxing and virtually appealing? say on the next bus..perhaps their irrelevant existence would be immortalized in that fashion, as their efforts seem rather wasted on a forum about theology....
But I guess acting out and peddling the same inane platitudes has some sort of therapeutic value for known neurotics!

 

[Hamayun]

Atheists find comfort in the mocking religion to get approval from fellow Atheists.

Probably gives them a sense of security...

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Really? Atheism doesn't absolutely claim there is not a God, which is an absolute "truth"?

That's correct. Atheism is a belief, not a fact.

I'm confused, I thought the "probably" part belongs to Agnosticism.

The agnostic position is: "I don't know whether or not there is a god".

Though, lately been hearin' about "weak" or "strong" atheism, maybe the "probably" part belongs to the "weaker" atheism? Do you understand? I only wish to learn, maybe there are good links?

The "probably" belongs to both. Even a strong atheist (like me) can never be 100% sure that they're right.

Peace

 

[Muezzin]

Hey come on, people, slagging off athiests is beyond the bounds of this topic. And it's rude.

I am not surprised at all, since this is the loophole ALL religions seek to exploit. Next time you drop something on the floor and it fall's to the floor get this.......

"It is probably due to gravity"........

Work it out for yourself, absolute is only employed by religion.....

I don't need to point out the irony in this statement do I?

 

[NobleMuslimUK]

Salaam all, its been a while since I been on.
Britain is a free society, and this is freedom of speech expression. I dont see it offending anyone unless they are insecure about their belief. As for these type of ads well they are not what you see they are subliminal sort of advertising, something that sits in the subconscious of the mind.

Last time I checked Islam encourages thinking and promotes free will. I see the atheist argument as a very weak one this further shows weakness and insecurity to post such slogans on a bus. Plus what a waste of money.

 

[Nσσя'υℓ Jαииαн]

Strawmen belong in fields

We're talking about advertising on a bus. Personally, I think even 'religious' advertising is a waste of money. Unless of course there is a contact number like that 'Islam bus'. If these adverts include clear, large contact details to promote discussion, I wouldn't consider them a waste of money.

If all they're saying is 'Hey, I'm going to attempt to ram my philosophy down your throat, because I am a petty, tit-for-tat kind of banner, have a nice day!', I'd say that is a waste of money.

na3am, thats what i meant. JazakAllah Khair.

 

[Fishman]

I don't think it will make much difference. As said above, people don't suddenly go 'the bus has spoken!' and change religion. people will just get a bit annoyed about it and it will attract attention, before disappearing into obscurity. Same with that 'Islam' bus.