No such thing as Atheism

[h-n]

@h-n

To clarify what Lynx meant: He was just saying that your argument is absurd for him because it is just like insisting, for example: "Believe in Ahura Mazda because [insert name of Zoroastrian sacred text] says so!"

Well yes, I accept the Quran, absolutely.

As stated in the thread anyway, infidels ignore the best of Men -the Prophets and follow after the sinful. They rather listen to sinful people rather then Prophet Ibrahim, Jesus, Noah, Lut peace be upon him etc.

 

[BoredAgnostic]

Especially on a sinking ship, its "OH MY GOD".

Yep, just like when we say "Oh, go to Hell" in frustration..we literally want that person to burn in Hell and be tormented forever, too. /sarcasm

It's just traditional sayings if you didn't realize that already, but I do make the effort to say "Oh my goodness" so this "confusion" doesn't happen.

 

[h-n]

bump in reference to RIP thread.

 

[whitekitten]

Just because an atheist doesn't believe in a supreme being doesn't mean an atheist doesn't have any beliefs. If you feel comfortable with your own beliefs it shouldn't matter what other people do or do not believe.

 

[cat eyes]

Just because an atheist doesn't believe in a supreme being doesn't mean an atheist doesn't have any beliefs. If you feel comfortable with your own beliefs it shouldn't matter what other people do or do not believe.

what is the meaning of atheist to you then?

 

[czgibson]

Greetings,

Since there's been some time for people to reflect on this thread, have any of the Muslims here found any useful dawah ideas to present to atheists as a result of the approach we've seen here?

Peace

 

[Lynx]

what is the meaning of atheist to you then?

If I may interject, the meaning of atheist is someone who does not believe in a God(s). Other than that, an atheist could believe in fairies or goblins and it wouldn't matter. Upon reflection I understand the feelings of the OP. The OP clearly understands that God shouldn't send anyone to Hell on the basis of not believing in something. It would be like going to hell for not believing in some principle of String Theory. Belief isn't an action one simply chooses or doesn't choose to do. However, instead of taking the logical approach and looking at this as a problem in Islam, the OP instead bites the bullet and denies the existence of atheists altogether; all atheists are liars and they secretly believe in God but don't admit it so therefore God does not have a legitimate reason to send atheists to hell. Grasping for air...

 

[cat eyes]

If I may interject, the meaning of atheist is someone who does not believe in a God(s). Other than that, an atheist could believe in fairies or goblins and it wouldn't matter. Upon reflection I understand the feelings of the OP. The OP clearly understands that God shouldn't send anyone to Hell on the basis of not believing in something. It would be like going to hell for not believing in some principle of String Theory. Belief isn't an action one simply chooses or doesn't choose to do. However, instead of taking the logical approach and looking at this as a problem in Islam, the OP instead bites the bullet and denies the existence of atheists altogether; all atheists are liars and they secretly believe in God but don't admit it so therefore God does not have a legitimate reason to send atheists to hell. Grasping for air...

ok so my understanding is atheists believe in fairies and goblins but rather not believe in god ermm where do these fairies come from then? have u seen a goblin ?

but don't atheists have to see something to believe it.

wow. i never knew this about atheists that they believe in other things without seeing it:laugh:

 

[glo]

... all atheists are liars and they secretly believe in God but don't admit it so therefore God does not have a legitimate reason to send atheists to hell. Grasping for air...

How can you possibly make such a sweeping assertion? It's a silly statement. :hmm:

As for the suggestion that the term atheist relates to 'no god(s)' and that therefore atheists could (in theory) believe in all manner of other things (such as fairies); that may be possible, but isn't very likely.
I would agree more with cat eyes in that atheists tend to trust what can been observed or scientifically proven. In the absence of such proof an atheists is more likely to assume that it (whatever it is that cannot be proven) is more likely not to exist (unless scientific proof can be found at a later stage).

If any atheist reads my statement, I would be interested to hear whether they agree in principle.

 

[Latitudinarian]

Wow, I've got to lurk here more often! The absurdity of OP claims is comical.

 

[Lynx]

How can you possibly make such a sweeping assertion? It's a silly statement. :hmm:

I was talking about the reasoning employed by the OP. I recognize the silliness of what h-n is saying. the OP, instead of admitting that God is unjust for sending people to Hell merely because of what they believe, instead chooses to deny the existence of atheists altogether! this way God is not really sending people to hell for their lack of belief but more because of their denial of some innate belief. unfortunately , if the OP talks to more people, she might realize that some people genuinely just don't believe in God or Islam. I hope that clears up what I was saying.

As for the suggestion that the term atheist relates to 'no god(s)' and that therefore atheists could (in theory) believe in all manner of other things (such as fairies); that may be possible, but isn't very likely.
I would agree more with cat eyes in that atheists tend to trust what can been observed or scientifically proven. In the absence of such proof an atheists is more likely to assume that it (whatever it is that cannot be proven) is more likely not to exist (unless scientific proof can be found at a later stage).

If any atheist reads my statement, I would be interested to hear whether they agree in principle.

Well the fact that an atheist can believe in anything so long as it's not God is true by definition. However, your statement that atheists are more likely to follow scientific evidence is an empirical matter and i don't know if that's true or not or even likely. I personally think you're peddling a common stereotype about atheists.

 

[glo]

I was talking about the reasoning employed by the OP. I recognize the silliness of what h-n is saying. the OP, instead of admitting that God is unjust for sending people to Hell merely because of what they believe, instead chooses to deny the existence of atheists altogether!

Thank you for your explanation.
I clearly completely misunderstood you.

However, your statement that atheists are more likely to follow scientific evidence is an empirical matter and i don't know if that's true or not or even likely. I personally think you're peddling a common stereotype about atheists.

That's possible.
All the more reason to invite some atheists here to tell us what they think.

 

[Tyrion]

This thread just makes me sad... T_T

 

[Ramadhan]

My question to atheists:

Why is it that you don't believe in the existence of the creator of the universe (which is the simplest explanation and logically perfect) of which you claim there is no scientific proof, and yet accept the only alternative: the universe has always existed (has no beginning) which is proven scientifically and logically not possible?

 

[Latitudinarian]

My question to atheists:

Why is it that you don't believe in the existence of the creator of the universe (which is the simplest explanation and logically perfect) of which you claim there is no scientific proof, and yet accept the only alternative: the universe has always existed (has no beginning) which is proven scientifically and logically not possible?

As a deist, I do believe that a supreme being created the universe. My belief in God is one that appeals to my intuition but, by no means, can I make the assertion that this is the simplest and most logical explanation for nature. Most atheists don't claim to know there is no conventional God, only to doubt the existence of such a being based on the lack of evidence for it. Sure, I do know some atheists who think that there may be a single entity behind all things in nature but the difference between myself and them is that I, and most theists, go one step further in our faith that said entity is actually a thinking being.

It's unfair to presume all atheists share the belief that universe (or multi-verse, for those who think there are more than one) has always existed. The prevailing opinion of the scientific community, comprised mostly of atheists, is that the Big Bang is the most likely explanation for the universe although there is a relatively new theory that suggests a cyclic universe.

Even if there were some scientific way to prove that a supreme-creator being is at the heart of the universe, most atheists would be more likely to become deists, like myself, than followers of the prophets since there is no evidence supporting the supernatural claims of scripture.

 

[Ramadhan]

As a deist, I do believe that a supreme being created the universe. My belief in God is one that appeals to my intuition but, by no means, can I make the assertion that this is the simplest and most logical explanation for nature. Most atheists don't claim to know there is no conventional God, only to doubt the existence of such a being based on the lack of evidence for it. Sure, I do know some atheists who think that there may be a single entity behind all things in nature but the difference between myself and them is that I, and most theists, go one step further in our faith that said entity is actually a thinking being.

It's unfair to presume all atheists share the belief that universe (or multi-verse, for those who think there are more than one) has always existed. The prevailing opinion of the scientific community, comprised mostly of atheists, is that the Big Bang is the most likely explanation for the universe although there is a relatively new theory that suggests a cyclic universe.

Even if there were some scientific way to prove that a supreme-creator being is at the heart of the universe, most atheists would be more likely to become deists, like myself, than followers of the prophets since there is no evidence supporting the supernatural claims of scripture.

I understand your position, which similar to agnostic.,

It is atheists' belief (who do not believe in the existence of the creator) that I do not understand.

Thanks for explaining your belief though.

 

[*Hana*]

Salam Alaikum:

My father was an Athiest through and through. He simply did not believe in a supreme being in any way, shape or form. He never gave much thought as to how the universe was created and didn't care. He lived his life an athiest and that was that. He had a miserable childhood being abused by foster families and Nuns in an orphanage. All which lead to his lack of belief. This being said, my father was a wonderful man who loved his family and would help anyone that asked for it. He was loved and respected by all that knew him. Meaning he wasn't a cranky, bitter man. lol

So, I don't think an Athiest has to necessarily believe in anything else, they just very simply believe God does not exist.

Wasalam,
Hana

 

[Latitudinarian]

I understand your position, which similar to agnostic.,

It is atheists' belief (who do not believe in the existence of the creator) that I do not understand.

Thanks for explaining your belief though.

My position and the atheist's position differ in that I to adhere to the belief in an unknown on faith while the atheist reserves his/her adherence to those things which are substantive. I think that calling myself agnostic doesn't properly describe my position since an element of doubt is inescapable. Agnosticism is somewhat ambiguous in that almost all people, whether religious or not, don't know with certainty whether there is a God or not. It's impossible to know for certain but I still claim to believe. Most atheists will say that there probably is no God rather than there is no God. For practical purposes, it's only those who don't claim to believe one way or the other that ought to be considered agnostic.

 

[Lynx]

My question to atheists:

Why is it that you don't believe in the existence of the creator of the universe (which is the simplest explanation and logically perfect) of which you claim there is no scientific proof, and yet accept the only alternative: the universe has always existed (has no beginning) which is proven scientifically and logically not possible?

1. The existence of the creator of the universe is not logically perfect unless you have a special proof that every other logician and philosopher has missed for the last 2000 years. 2. The only alternative isn't that the universe had to have always existed. I hope that settles your bewilderment.