Non muslim wearing hijab

[Jayda]

from your previous post, I take it you DO believe it would be sin not to cover your hair in church?

and are you happy that the reason is not plain and simple modesty, but because unlike men, 'women are not made for the glory of God'? sorry but I always detested that scripture.

peace

hola

si, in church it would be inappropriate, outside of Church it's not immodest. and si, i am happy doing anything that pleases God and His messengers.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[ummzayd]

hola

si, in church it would be inappropriate, outside of Church it's not immodest. and si, i am happy doing anything that pleases God and His messengers.

que Dios te bendiga

inappropriate or sinful? I think there is a difference.

I too (& majority of my Muslim sisters) are happy to please God by wearing hijab, and even happier that it is not for any reasons of shame or inferiority as is often supposed by Christians, but simply for reasons of modesty.

peace

 

[Jayda]

inappropriate or sinful? I think there is a difference.

I too (& majority of my Muslim sisters) are happy to please God by wearing hijab, and even happier that it is not for any reasons of shame or inferiority as is often supposed by Christians, but simply for reasons of modesty.

peace

hola ummzayd,

inappropriate... under the old canon law (1917) it was a requirement, however under new canon there is no mention and the Church has not clarified on the matter. it can be presumed either way...

the passage you referred to was not the complete picture. paul was recounting the creation of adam and eve, not saying men are better than women. adam was created by God and then when he became lonely God created eve for him. in the very same passage he goes on to explain that women are not independent from men and men are not inappropriate from women and that all originate from God.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[ummzayd]

hola ummzayd,

inappropriate... under the old canon law (1917) it was a requirement, however under new canon there is no mention and the Church has not clarified on the matter. it can be presumed either way...


que Dios te bendiga

thanks for taking the time to reply - so the direct (and forcefully expressed) commandment in the bible about women covering in church, is so easily cast aside?

(and about the scripture, I know that Paul said other, less contentious things about women and men and their respective attributes in the eyes of God :sunny

peace

 

[jouju]

Assalam alykum warahmatullah.....
Transparent hejaabs aint allowed in islaam
No offense but...some Questions cant be asked in islaam.The same way we bliv God exists But we havent seen him
Allah has a hikma behind everything..Hejaab is not a sign of our inferiority..
Yaa ayyyuha nnabiyy qul liazwaajika wabanaatika............dhaalika adnaa an yu3rafna falaa yu'dheyn

 

[Jayda]

thanks for taking the time to reply - so the direct (and forcefully expressed) commandment in the bible about women covering in church, is so easily cast aside?

hola,

the commandment comes from the Apostle St. Paul, who we consider a saint, a great teacher and a doctor of the Church. we believe he recieved guidance from God (most especially on the famous road to damascus) however we do not consider him a prophet, messiah or something along those lines. when he taught about God it was in the form of sermons and not prophesies, when he gave advice from himself it was only from himself. so it is difficult to say whether the commandment carries the same force as something like the ten commandments or the beatitudes.

that said, it is not cast aside, it is just not directly addressed by the Church at this point. prevailing opinion is that it is required under Canon 5 now, since it is a Church practice from time immemorial, and it remains required dress code for all women who visit the Vatican for an audience. some simply choose not to do this. most Catholics worldwide still wear head coverings. it is not done so much in the western world however in asia and latin america specifically it is extremely common, africa as well.

when there is a situation that something is not directly referenced it is best for a Catholic to ask her priest or bishop.

(and about the scripture, I know that Paul said other, less contentious things about women and men and their respective attributes in the eyes of God :sunny

peace

i was referring to that exact passage though, not elsewhere... the entire narrative includes the one line you quoted but goes on into a much longer explanation of what he meant and specifically includes a warning that men and women are equal in the eyes of God.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[*KB*]

Assalamualaykum

Sorry to bring the bad news but did anyone read the comments from the people that were written below?. I'm quite shocked they allowed that personally.

Assalamualaykum
*KB*
:coolious:

 

[Ali.]

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[mariam.]

i agree... i do not believe it is a sin or immodest for me or other women to show our hair, but i do not think it is weird, peculiar or should be illegal (which is absurd) for women to cover their hair publicly... a persons clothing choices should be their own, as long as they are reasonably modest.

hey, Jayda it's been a long time since I've seen you here .. how are you?

I agree with you jayda, but there is some thing different between you as a christian and me as a moslem .. Hijab in Islam is dictate from God, If you leave it then you did a sin.

And the scripture that sister ummzayd mention makes me ffended: .. Iam sorry to said that.

whereas Islam ask us to preserve our femininity for our good .. please read this verses: "O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when out of doors): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."

"O Consorts of the Prophet ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear (God), be not too complaisant of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just "

any way, we are different but concordant.
peace

 

[Jayda]

hey, Jayda it's been a long time since I've seen you here .. how are you?

I agree with you jayda, but there is some thing different between you as a christian and me as a moslem .. Hijab in Islam is dictate from God, If you leave it then you did a sin.

And the scripture that sister ummzayd mention makes me ffended: .. Iam sorry to said that.

whereas Islam ask us to preserve our femininity for our good .. please read this verses: "O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when out of doors): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft- Forgiving, Most Merciful."

"O Consorts of the Prophet ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear (God), be not too complaisant of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire: but speak ye a speech (that is) just "

any way, we are different but concordant.
peace

hola mariam,

i am not certain how i am right now... sadly it has been a very tragic and difficult year, gracias for asking, i hope you are well.

i am concerned that the verse you quoted is one of the reasons so many muslims believe rape victims 'had it coming' who do not dress modestly according to muslim standards. the most infamous example is Sheikh al-Hilali of Australia who described raped women as 'meat.' it is extremely offensive to me to hear and read these things coming from both muslims and islamic sources. i am also very confused that this presupposes rape is a crime of desire rather than one of control and preestablished conditioning (as psychology has proven).

que Dios te bendiga

 

[Jayda]

as an interesting aside, i explained the reasons we wear mantillas and head coverings in christianity... to which it seems the majority of you believe our reasons are not even remotely related. this of course disproves Woodrow's point that 'hijab,' such as it is, exists in Christianity, doesn't it?

que Dios te bendiga

 

[chosen]

nothing wrong with being modest..i am christian and i believe a person should dress as they feel they should dress..muslim christian..if a women feel like covering her head for whatever reason people should leave them be..

 

[mariam.]

hola mariam,

i am not certain how i am right now... sadly it has been a very tragic and difficult year, gracias for asking, i hope you are well.

i am concerned that the verse you quoted is one of the reasons so many muslims believe rape victims 'had it coming' who do not dress modestly according to muslim standards. the most infamous example is Sheikh al-Hilali of Australia who described raped women as 'meat.' it is extremely offensive to me to hear and read these things coming from both muslims and islamic sources. i am also very confused that this presupposes rape is a crime of desire rather than one of control and preestablished conditioning (as psychology has proven).

que Dios te bendiga

Hi jayda, thank God Iam fine .. I agree with you that doesn't dressing modestly isn't the only reason for rape victims; but it's One of the reasons.

 

[Malaikah]

i am concerned that the verse you quoted is one of the reasons so many muslims believe rape victims 'had it coming' who do not dress modestly according to muslim standards. the most infamous example is Sheikh al-Hilali of Australia who described raped women as 'meat.' it is extremely offensive to me to hear and read these things coming from both muslims and islamic sources. i am also very confused that this presupposes rape is a crime of desire rather than one of control and preestablished conditioning (as psychology has proven).

I don't think so Jayda... notice how the verse called the male who might annoy the female as the one who has a disease in his heart. The problem is with the man, not the woman. And the women are asked to protect themselves from those men who's hearts are disease by dressing modestly.

(And we aren't talking about cardiovascular disease either... in case you misunderstood lol)

Also you have misquoted the Shaykh, he only used the word meat as part of an analogy- he said the woman was meat in the eyes of the rapist, who he said was like a cat. Cats eat meat. It was an analogy, though the media conveniently forget to treat is as one. He was not saying women are meat, full stop. He was saying they are meat in the eyes of the rapist. the implications are totally different.

 

[Jayda]

Hi jayda, thank God Iam fine .. I agree with you that doesn't dressing modestly isn't the only reason for rape victims; but it's One of the reasons.

I don't think so Jayda... notice how the verse called the male who might annoy the female as the one who has a disease in his heart. The problem is with the man, not the woman. And the women are asked to protect themselves from those men who's hearts are disease by dressing modestly.

(And we aren't talking about cardiovascular disease either... in case you misunderstood lol)

Also you have misquoted the Shaykh, he only used the word meat as part of an analogy- he said the woman was meat in the eyes of the rapist, who he said was like a cat. Cats eat meat. It was an analogy, though the media conveniently forget to treat is as one. He was not saying women are meat, full stop. He was saying they are meat in the eyes of the rapist. the implications are totally different.

hola

your opinions seem to be at odds, but perhaps i misunderstand what you are saying.

to clarify my point, the way a girl dresses is not a factor (not even a small one) in rape. rape is about control, not lust, and the psychological foundation of the rapist. with regards to the comments of the religious leader from Australia, i understand this was an analogy, and i apologize for mischaracterizing his analogy as a direct insult, but his analogy is outrageous, he was teaching that if women dressed modestly according to the expectations of Islam otherwise they are not protecting themselves from rapists. this assumes two very wrong things: victims who don't conform to your beliefs dress immodestly (ethnocentric) and the attention of rapists is something that a victim has any degree of control over.

especially within the political and social context of his comments (sydney gang rapes), this was outrageously inappropriate. effectively he was making the same argument that the rapists made when they called the women they attacked prostitutes because they were not muslims and did not adhere to islamic standards of dress. the victims were random and the attackers were motivated by hatred toward australians and non muslims, in the words of two:

"You deserve it because you're an Australian"
"When you are feeling down ...bash a Christian or Catholic and lift up"

so clearly their crimes were not ones of passion or sexual desire, but rather ones of rage and control. they wanted to hurt them because of who they were, they did not desire them sexually. the sheikhs comments and beliefs were insensitive and reflect an ignorant stereotype that rape is motivated by desire and a woman shares the responsibility by needing to 'protect herself' in how she decides to look. it is even more insulting because his implication is that the rape victims were immodest for not dressing according to islamic standards, a view i have no doubt the rapists would agree with.

que Dios te bendiga

 

[cihad]

there are some hijabs nowadays that are like nets-like wth holes ,when i see people wear it, it just frustrates me and makes me laugh at the absurdity of it all.

 

[Jayda]

lol that defeats the point...

 

[Esther462]

I see nothing wrong with non Muslims wearing hijab but in countrys that are Christian dominated, people do look at you strainagely and ask if you are Muslim.^o)

After I converted to Islam, I started to wear hijab but I still went to my local church on Sundays (I know this wrong) to keep up appeances for my parents because I wasn't ready to tell them that I was Muslim. I wore my hijab to the meetings and I stuck out like a sore thumb as I was the only person in the building wearing hijab. I was asked by loads of my christian friends if I was Muslim and I didn't answer and quickly moved on to another subject. I know this was wrong at the time but I wasn't ready to tell them that I was Muslim. They all know I'm Muslim now and I've stopped attending the church meetings now. All my family and Christian friends are not happy that I'm Muslim but they will have to learn to live with it.
:Crescent:

One advantage that I have found with wearing hijab is that it covers my hair when I forget to wash it as most mornings I don't have time to wash and dry my hair before going to college.:muslimah:

 

[Intisar]

One advantage that I have found with wearing hijab is that it covers my hair when I forget to wash it as most mornings I don't have time to wash and dry my hair before going to college.:muslimah:

Hehe sis, just make sure that the hijaab doesn't turn into a crutch for you not doing your hair. ;D